GUIDELINES: Posting Pill Info Requests/Pill Reports

[apollo]

Even after the demise of this thread - Perth Pills - 21/8/02, and the addition of this:

9. DO include as MUCH detail as possible when reporting a pill, or requesting information. When requesting or providing information on an ecstasy pill, please include a detailed description of the pill you're refering to. Details such as the pill colour, bevelled/scored/speckled (if present), height/diameter dimensons, texture, and logo should all be included in your post.

to the guidelines, people are still posting incomplete (and thus useless) pill information requests (and less commonly, reports.)
There is no point in posting about a pill unless you have information on it. If you don't know what colour they are & you just heard a name while on the phone to your dealer - don't post. Find out more about the pills, then post.
As for posting incomplete information, this is equally useless. There are one fuck of a lot of pills with the same logos/names, so find out more first.
Thank you & goodnight.

[Edit: Altered thread title. BigTrancer]
[ 22 January 2003: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]

 

[melancholic]

i agree entirely.
but, what leeway is there? theres a batch of 'green fish' out at the moment, which are also being sold as 'blue fish'. i have eaten half of one of these, and i have seen others eat a whole. i could tell you its flat, indented fish logo, and that its a greeny/bluey colour. and that it was 'good' - for want of a better description 'enjoyable'. i have no test result, and no comfirmation that there isnt a second batch that are actually blue... yet if someone posts up 'pill request - green fish' do you want me to reply or not?
and what about an instance where a friend says 'oh tried <insert pill> on weekend, they were awesome!' and then you see that same pill in a request post, do you want me to post or not?
while i definately agree that more information is always better, and incomplete information can be useless, isnt a few comments saying 'theyre good' better than no comments at all? what if ive heard that a certain pill may be dangerous, but i cant confirm any info on the pill except the logo? i mean surely, this forum has many threads where discussions begin, and id personally rather discussion on a pill displaying peoples opinions, which allows me to make my own judgement on the pill, than an empty thread cos nobody can confirm any of their information!

 

[Fry-d-]

I think if you have tried 'x' pill and havn't tested it and can't give clear details about it your probably best to keep it to yourself, without details telling someone a pill is 'good' is not really constuctive information. Fair enough if you hear of a pill that is possibly dangerous and only know a simple description post a warning, we are hear for harm minimisation after all. But giving partial information on a pill that you beleive to be 'good' but not confirmed is not helpful IMO.
I also think replying to a pill info request with a report made 6 months ago is also quite misleading, pills come and go within weeks so digging up old reports can only be misleading.

 

[RobertRollie]

why are these posts even allowed to exist? Pillreports.com exists for a reason yknow....

 

[johnboy]

errr and this forum exists for a reason: for people to make requests for pill info if they can't find the information they are looking for on pillreports. pillreports is a database of reports, and if people start making requests for info there the system breaks down. that's why they are pointed over here.
it's all part of the effort to get the people who use pillreports to visit Bluelight more, and to educate themselves. I dunno, I thought it was obvious, I guess not...
[ 29 October 2002: Message edited by: johnboy ]

 

[wazza]

^^ took the words right out of my mouth. Pillreports is a database for PILL REPORTS. Any threads which aren't reports on pills (i.e caps, requests) get deleted and we point the user who made the thread to here. Mainly for the reasons what JohnBoy just stated.

 

[RobertRollie]

Erm...my point being that if there are no reports on a pill in what is supposedly a dedicated database, why the hell do they expect to get more info about them in the discission forums?

 

[melancholic]

agreed fryd.. yet... i think there is probably a very high portion of people who dont buy pills until the night they eat them and or just dont get any chance to get a good look and know anything bar colour and logo. not to mention the fact that testers still arent common practice. which means that telling people not to reply unless they know enough info will seriously lower the success rate of pill request threads and will inturn fulfill Robs last comment.
i think the success of these threads lies in the fact that more widespread discussion on the pill can exist - whereas pill reports is, appropriately, a strict regime.

 

[Pleonastic]

Originally posted by RobertRollie:
Erm...my point being that if there are no reports on a pill in what is supposedly a dedicated database, why the hell do they expect to get more info about them in the discission forums?Probably because they do get more information in the discussion forums...
If it's that much of a bother to you, whenever you see the words "Pill Info Request" in the title of a thread, don't click it.

 

[Soma]

Exactly what melancholic said. People may not have all the info they need at the time of request. Whilst it is all well and good to have a description down to its atomic weight, unfortunantly half the time you ask someone about pills all they say "I might be able to get green fish".
Pills usually come in cycles, if there is something new out then chances are its not going to be same as one that was out six months ago. We (rightly) preech "give us as much detail as possible as there may be more than one batch", however in reality this is an exception rather than the norm.
Sorry Apollo, love your work and all, but posting an incomplete description is hardly 'useless'.
As for not posting requests in the first place robertrollie, melechonic spat it right in the eye again. Therefore for the rest of this thread I wish to be known as Somacholic.

 

[melancholic]

lol
'somacholic' - that made me laugh!

 

[apollo]

Final word on the topic:
It's in the guidelines for a reason.

 

[BigTrancer]

Could I please add my request, that we put as much detail as possible to actually help people identify the pills?

Like, fair enough if you're after information on something that you've just heard about and haven't seen yet, just give us what you know. However, if you've seen and/or eaten the damn thing, and you want to share the experience, please be DESCRIPTIVE. Tell us what it looks like, what it tests like and what it does to you.

This is particularly important in pill info requests, but it is an essential thing that is lacking in many 'city pills' threads. What is the point of having lists of what is around, if nobody can figure out what the fuck pill they have because nobody has actually described ANY of their pills, just listed their names, and in cases like "purple hills" or "dexters" or "fish" people need to really spell out what the logo looks like for their information to be useful.

Without giving extra information, your post is totally useless.

For example: This report is mad:

"... I had to be a little discrete and so I didnt get too much of a good look at it. However it was quite distinctive in its rather squarish, doomed shape, similar to the nipples back in april/may this year. It was also quite large (about 8mm x 8mm) with a capital E score. They were also quite hard pressed, off white in colour with dirty yellowish patches throughout (intially thought it could have been a speed bomb at first)."...

and all that from just a discreet look! The post that this is excerpted from is detailed, thorough and helpful.

On the other hand: This report is wack:

"Oh my god i managed to get the number 1's and they rocked my world best time i have ever ever had!!!!!!!!!"...

because it doesn't describe anything about the pill AT ALL except a name. No colour, no description, no test, not even a description of the effects. How is anyone supposed to know if their pill is a 'number 1' or what 'the best time' you ever had is?

Please note!: I'm not pointing fingers at the people posting these comments at all, so please don't think I'm flaming posters directly - just the message they're sending. For our pill information threads to be seen as being USEFUL HARM MINIMISATION threads, they must contain details. Otherwise they reduce to a 'catalogue' of hearsay which amounts to little more than a buyers guide.

BigTrancer.

 

[BigTrancer]

How many times can I ask: *PLEASE* be more descriptive people - re-read the Posting Guidelines regarding pill info requests... details like the appearance of the pill, its size and logo are crucial to be able to indentify the pill you're talking about.

We MUST have details on the pills for these threads to be useful -- if not, this kind of thread changes from a thorough list of well-described pills, into a 'shopping catalogue' of shit to buy next weekend, which will be locked/deleted in the future.

The quality of discussion in this forum will NOT go the same way as the reports on Pillreports.com: it is your responsibility to make your posts count by including ALL the details you can think of; furthermore it is my responsibility and that of the other moderators to lock crap threads. When these threads go on with people bandying about pill names and reports as brief as "not bad"... they are CRAP THREADS. In my opinion the current level of pill discussion is beneath what is achievable in Australian Drug Discussion, and should be lifted ASAP.

If you don't have info, don't post. It's as simple as that, because guesswork and second-hand information are the things we are attempting to eliminate, not propagate. Please make all pill reports more detailed from now on, or the future of "City Pills" threads is in serious doubt.

BigTrancer