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So has anyone seen this movie? What did you think about it?

I mean there's the obvious...this movie's fucking SAD. Its a really good story too. Although I must admit the first time I saw this movie I liked it alot better, here's why:

The first time around I just watched it, thought it was a good, sad movie, and left it at that. But the second time I saw it which was just recently...it made me kinda angry that things turned out the way they did in the movie and that it was kinda all Seita's fault that the shit came down on him so hard in the first place.

I mean...he stayed at his Aunt's place and lazed around and didn't do shit, and she kicked him out becuase she can't afford to feed him if he doesn't do anything. He COULD have helped her out with stuff, but he didn't. When he left and went to his own shelter, he and his sister put SOO much effort and work into making that place their home...why couldn't they have worked at his Aunt's like that?

There's other stuff in the movie as well that just seemed needless. Even when he was trying to get rice from the old man, the old man said, "Son, just swallow your pride and apologize to the woman and live with her." And he didn't, all for what? Maybe there's something I misunderstand about Japanese culture or something, but if me and my four year old sister were starving for food and homeless, I'd go to my Aunt who had a house and do some work for food in return....

Anyways, these are my newly developed grips on the film.

But don't get me wrong, its good!
 
It's on my computer, but I've yet to get around to watching it. I'm a huge fan of the director, and it's just a matter of time till I see it.
 
I watched as part of my Japanese history class. It's been a while since I've seen such a sad movie.
 
I love this movie, I haven't seen it in awhile, but I remember the Aunt being a bitch. Didn't Seita sell his mother's kimonos for rice and then the aunt kept most of the rice for herself? I see what you mean about him laying around the house, but remember, he did just lose his home and his mother because she almost burned to death and not even his mother's own sister (or sister in law) seemed to care. Also I think with the food shortage, she wouldn't have been able to afford to feed them for much longer even if they had helped out around the house. It just seemed to me that the aunt didn't really want them there anyway (that bitch) and that was her way of getting rid of them and making things easier on herself. I don't think she would have taken them back even if they had apologized.(that bitch)

anyway, great movie!
 
one of the few movies that made me cry. i hate anime mostly because i hate superhero/superaction crap, and caught this on encore during a cable-watching day... one of the best dramatic films i have ever watched.
 
One of The All Time Greats

GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES is one of the all time greatest war films & next to PRINCESS MONONOKE its the greatest animated film ever.

Perhaps the best review of GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES that I've read is (shockingly) from Roger Ebert as part of his "Great Movies" colum which I've pasted below. I truly beleive that if you have not seen GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES then there is a serious void in your film education. It is a stunning work or visual, aural & narrative innovation & deserves MUCH wider recognition in the USA. I am not a fan of most anime but like the works of Miyazaki, GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES transcends the genre.


Grave of the Fireflies

March 19, 2000


BY ROGER EBERT



In the waning days of World War II, American bombers drop napalm canisters on Japanese cities, creating fire storms. These bombs, longer than a tin can but about as big around, fall to earth trailing cloth tails that flutter behind them; they are almost a beautiful sight. After they hit, there is a moment's silence, and then they detonate, spraying their surroundings with flames. In a Japanese residential neighborhood, made of flimsy wood and paper houses, there is no way to fight the fires.

"Grave of the Fireflies" (1988) is an animated film telling the story of two children from the port city of Kobe, made homeless by the bombs. Seita is a young teenager, and his sister Setsuko is about 5. Their father is serving in the Japanese navy, and their mother is a bomb victim; Seita kneels beside her body, covered with burns, in an emergency hospital. Their home, neighbors, schools are all gone. For a time an aunt takes them in, but she's cruel about the need to feed them, and eventually Seita finds a hillside cave where they can live. He does what he can to find food, and to answer Setsuko's questions about their parents. The first shot of the film shows Seita dead in a subway station, and so we can guess Setsuko's fate; we are accompanied through flashbacks by the boy's spirit.

"Grave of the Fireflies" is an emotional experience so powerful that it forces a rethinking of animation. Since the earliest days, most animated films have been "cartoons" for children and families. Recent animated features such as "The Lion King," "Princess Mononoke" and "The Iron Giant" have touched on more serious themes, and the "Toy Story" movies and classics like "Bambi" have had moments that moved some audience members to tears. But these films exist within safe confines; they inspire tears, but not grief. "Grave of the Fireflies" is a powerful dramatic film that happens to be animated, and I know what the critic Ernest Rister means when he compares it to "Schindler's List" and says, "It is the most profoundly human animated film I've ever seen."

It tells a simple story of survival. The boy and his sister must find a place to stay, and food to eat. In wartime their relatives are not kind or generous, and after their aunt sells their mother's kimonos for rice, she keeps a lot of the rice for herself. Eventually, Seita realizes it is time to leave. He has some money and can buy food--but soon there is no food to buy. His sister grows weaker. Their story is told not as melodrama, but simply, directly, in the neorealist tradition. And there is time for silence in it. One of the film's greatest gifts is its patience; shots are held so we can think about them, characters are glimpsed in private moments, atmosphere and nature are given time to establish themselves.

Japanese poets use "pillow words" that are halfway between pauses and punctuation, and the great director Yasujiro Ozu uses "pillow shots"--a detail from nature, say, to separate two scenes. "Grave of the Fireflies" uses them, too. Its visuals create a kind of poetry. There are moments of quick action, as when the bombs rain down and terrified people fill the streets, but this film doesn't exploit action; it meditates on its consequences.

The film was directed by Isao Takahata, who is associated with the famous Ghibli Studio, source of the greatest Japanese animation. His colleague there is Hayao Miyazaki ("Princess Mononoke," "Kiki's Delivery Service," "My Neighbor Totoro"). His films are not usually this serious, but "Grave of the Fireflies" is in a category by itself. It's based on a semi-autobiographical novel by Nosaka Akiyuki--who was a boy at the time of the firebombs, whose sister did die of hunger and whose life has been shadowed by guilt.

The book is well-known in Japan, and might easily have inspired a live-action film. It isn't the typical material of animation. But for "Grave of the Fireflies," I think animation was the right choice. Live action would have been burdened by the weight of special effects, violence and action. Animation allows Takahata to concentrate on the essence of the story, and the lack of visual realism in his animated characters allows our imagination more play; freed from the literal fact of real actors, we can more easily merge the characters with our own associations.

Hollywood animation has been pursuing the ideal of "realistic animation" for decades, even though that's an oxymoron. People who are drawn do not look like people who are photographed. They're more stylized, more obviously symbolic, and (as Disney discovered in painstaking experiments) their movements can be exaggerated to communicate mood through body language. "Grave of the Fireflies" doesn't attempt even the realism of "The Lion King" or "Princess Mononoke," but paradoxically it is the most realistic animated film I've ever seen--in feeling.

The locations and backgrounds are drawn in a style owing something to the 18th century Japanese artist Hiroshige and his modern disciple Herge (the creator of Tin Tin). There is great beauty in them--not cartoon beauty, but evocative landscape drawing, put through the filter of animated style. The characters are typical of much modern Japanese animation, with their enormous eyes, childlike bodies and features of great plasticity (mouths are tiny when closed, but enormous when opened in a child's cry--we even see Setsuko's tonsils). This film proves, if it needs proving, that animation produces emotional effects not by reproducing reality, but by heightening and simplifying it, so that many of the sequences are about ideas, not experiences.

There are individual moments of great beauty. One involves a night when the children catch fireflies and use them to illuminate their cave. The next day, Seita finds his little sister carefully burying the dead insects--as she imagines her mother was buried. There is another sequence in which the girl prepares "dinner" for her brother by using mud to make "rice balls" and other imaginary delicacies. And note the timing and the use of silence in a sequence where they find a dead body on the beach, and then more bombers appear far away in the sky.

Rister singles out another shot: "There's a moment where the boy Seita traps an air bubble with a wash rag, submerges it, and then releases it into his sister Setsuko's delighted face--and that's when I knew I was watching something special."

There are ancient Japanese cultural currents flowing beneath the surface of "Grave of the Fireflies," and they're explained by critic Dennis H. Fukushima Jr., who finds the story's origins in the tradition of double-suicide plays. It is not that Seita and Setsuko commit suicide overtly, but that life wears away their will to live. He also draws a parallel between their sheltering cave and hillside tombs.

Fukushima cites an interview with the author, Akiyuki: "Having been the sole survivor, he felt guilty for the death of his sister. While scrounging for food, he had often fed himself first, and his sister second. Her undeniable cause of death was hunger, and it was a sad fact that would haunt Nosaka for years. It prompted him to write about the experience, in hopes of purging the demons tormenting him."

Because it is animated and from Japan, "Grave of the Fireflies" has been little seen. When anime fans say how good the film is, nobody takes them seriously. Now that it's available on DVD with a choice of subtitles or English dubbing, maybe it will find the attention it deserves. Yes, it's a cartoon, and the kids have eyes like saucers, but it belongs on any list of the greatest war films ever made.

"Grave of the Fireflies" will be screened in a 35mm print, imported from Japan, at 7 p.m. April 27 in Roger Ebert's Overlooked Film Festival at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Details at www.ebertfest.com.



Copyright © Chicago Sun-Times Inc.
 
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The first time around I just watched it, thought it was a good, sad movie, and left it at that. But the second time I saw it which was just recently...it made me kinda angry that things turned out the way they did in the movie and that it was kinda all Seita's fault that the shit came down on him so hard in the first place.

n...he stayed at his Aunt's place and lazed around and didn't do shit, and she kicked him out becuase she can't afford to feed him if he doesn't do anything. He COULD have helped her out with stuff, but he didn't. When he left and went to his own shelter, he and his sister put SOO much effort and work into making that place their home...why couldn't they have worked at his Aunt's like that?

There's other stuff in the movie as well that just seemed needless. Even when he was trying to get rice from the old man, the old man said, "Son, just swallow your pride and apologize to the woman and live with her." And he didn't, all for what? Maybe there's something I misunderstand about Japanese culture or something, but if me and my four year old sister were starving for food and homeless, I'd go to my Aunt who had a house and do some work for food in return....

Anyways, these are my newly developed grips on the film.

But don't get me wrong, its good!


I think you're missing some MAJOR points here Spiderman. Of COURSE a LOT of what goes down is Seita's fault! He IS a kid so he's not always going to make the rational descisions of a seasoned adult. Seita is only 13 years old & acts it.

But there is another major point I think you're overlooking & its that of Japanese culture's overemphasis on pride which for Japan, like Seita, proved disasterous. Give it a third viewing (its worth it) & check out the "Special Featrures" section on the disc for some insight by the author of the book upon which its based.
 
I saw this thanks to L2R who was sweetheart enough to send me a DVD copy thru the mail! I <3 u!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway....yeah this is one of the best anime cartoons I've ever seen....I cried a few times but when it ended it surprised me that I wasnt bawling...I guess the sadness just built up and plateaud over the course of the movie...
The haunting score still plays in my ears from time to time.

I mean...he stayed at his Aunt's place and lazed around and didn't do shit, and she kicked him out becuase she can't afford to feed him if he doesn't do anything. He COULD have helped her out with stuff, but he didn't. When he left and went to his own shelter, he and his sister put SOO much effort and work into making that place their home...why couldn't they have worked at his Aunt's like that?

I suppose...but remember he IS 14 years old ! And with the tragedy and shock of seeing his mom die and having to care and protect for his baby sister....it's a feat in itself that he was able to do what he did . I totally agree with the emphasis on pride in Japanese culture....it was almost painful to watch some of the scenes.

I cried more in Dumbo, but this is one cartoon that stays with you for a long long time. :( The animation and the depth of emotion in Grave of the Fireflies reminded me SO much of my other favorite anime...Toei's original Little Mermaid ; a very sad and beautiful tale, the way Hans Christian Andersen has intended it to be, unlike the dumbed down Disney version. For a 70's anime film it was pretty damn good....I still remember the song playing when Marina (the mermaid) turns into foam. And i saw it when I was 6 years old!

Grave of the Fireflies is just as beautiful and haunting and sad and unforgettable.
 
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I have a copy of this sitting on my desk right now! Looking forward to watching it.
 
Just think, when this film was released in Japan, it was a double feature along with "My Neighbour Totoro". Just imagine how it wouldv'e done childrens heads right in seeing the wonderfully cheerful Totoro followed by this!
 
I just put this on my netflix queue. i can't believe how many 5 star reviews there were. pages and pages with only a 4 star here and there. Only time I have seen that kinda love for a movie!!

I know I am gonna bawl. not looking forward to it.
 
I made the mistake of watching this at the height of the hype. My expectations were built up too high and, although the film was not disappointing, I wish I would have waited a bit longer to watch it. Good film, bad timing (for me).
 
Just watched it. Was not ready for how real this movie was. I was in the middle of a Studio Glibli blitz, having never even watched Princess Mononoke. This movie sucker punched me, but I'm glad I watched it. It made me seriously despise any nation who would drive an entire culture to neglect their most vulnerable.
 
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