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SgTaIrBoRnE

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For anyone who has already signed up, I'm sorry. You now signed a form allowing the government to use you anyway they want to. And believe me, they will. Our government proclaims to hold wars against countries who are inhumane, or do not fallow the Geneva Convention.

Based on just those two statements, and my experience with the U.S. Army:

You can't even sign a paper binding you to a cell phone contract until you are 19 where I’m at. But you can sign up to be put thousands of miles away from home with a weapon killing people at the age of 16(as long as your parents sign the proper form). Ok, so isn’t it inhumane for the Army to manipulate you with money and college funding at such a young age for them to use you as a number against THEIR enemy? My parent's signed the form when I was 16 to let me join. Thinking at the time that is was what I wanted to do. But what the fuck did I know at 16? This is the only thing, and most serious in my mind, that you can do besides drive at 16. You can’t smoke, drink, buy a gun, or sign a contract (except one that signs your life away to the armed forces); but you can be used by the government to kill innocent people. All this two years before being legally allowed to smoke a cigarette. A bit weird? Maybe not to some of you, because the government does a damn good job at manipulating people and making you think that the army is this great wonderful thing.

And those thousands that are in and love it, again; the government does a damn good job of manipulating. They feed you with information and put you through things that inspire you to do what they want, make you believe that you need to kill these people. From experience, the army is not great. It is not wonderful. We break the Geneva Convention also. In the unit I am in, we have to rip off our insignia before going to combat, because the missions we do are against the rules of engagement. And if we get caught doing these things, the army and united states denies our existence.

Our government uses our armed forces to do things that will profit them. The government makes up things and tells us on the television that we need to react to indecent acts by another country. Where were the satellite pictures that our government said they had of Iraqi forces on the border of Kuwait shortly before we invaded Iraq to stop them from "invading" Kuwait? They talked of them a great deal to manipulate the masses, but never showed them. Similar tactics have been used by the government for the current war we are in. The liberation of Kuwait was just the first step of what the government has in store for the Middle East. With the man power, technology, and equipment our government controls, do you think their going to let all the resources and riches in the Middle East be controlled by someone else? Hell no.

Our government manipulates with everything they do. We could have taken over Iraq in days with the resources and power we have, but that would scare other countries. And they had to involve other countries also, that way it would seem right with everyone. But that wasn’t easy. They had to work hard to win over the U.N. They were skeptical at first, but unfortunately fell victim like so many of us. Our government’s “Big Picture” is the world. They will stop at nothing to control it, and are getting closer and closer each day.

A lot of you out there will say that I’m crazy, or a fool. I understand why you think that way though. I know what it is like to be in the train of thought that you are in. It is hard to think outside the box in this case; because it contradicts everything we were raised to believe. And that is exactly what the government wants. They control us just like they did your parents. They form us and manipulate us through our parents, then school.

If you disagree with what I say, research and prove me wrong with cold hard facts. Try to find the satellite pictures of Iraqi forces on the border of Kuwait (They don’t exist). Research how the government used Sigmund Freud's analysis of human psychology so that they could manipulate the masses. I totally understand any doubts, just go and find out from a source you can trust. If you only trust the news on TV , then I’m sorry, because the government controls them. I’m just trying to help people be aware of what the government is doing for the good of themselves. What do I benefit from posting this? Nothing. Some may say for attention. Sorry, but I can find easier ways to get attention if I was an attention fiend. Just look into it, for yourself. What our government does is wrong, and I am just trying to break the spell that the majority of the population is under when it comes to our government.
 
Hey man I'm right there with you, but there are a ton of kool-aid drinkers on this board who are going to hold their hands over their ears and shout "No no no no no no!" I wish we could make people understand what our government is really about, I really do. But people don't want to listen to things they dont want to hear. The best thing we can hope for is for the system to collapse under its own weight...and I truly believe it is getting close to that point.
 
SgTaIrBoRnE said:
We break the Geneva Convention also. In the unit I am in, we have to rip off our insignia before going to combat, because the missions we do are against the rules of engagement. And if we get caught doing these things, the army and united states denies our existence.

That's fucking hardcore. 8o I'm not so sure you should be posting that, for your own sake, man...:(

And yea...OK...I would never join the army unless I was suicidal...

I have never wanted to...

I would defend our country if someone invaded, I would... but I value my own life too much to possibly die fighting against people when I'm not even sure if fighting is the right thing to do...I mean...will I hate myself if Iraq invades Kuwaiit? no...i wouldn't care that much...it's not my problem...

if our oil gets really expensive? once again...not nearly as important as MY LIFE...
 
^you are exactly why i always try to make a distinction between the government policy makers, who give the executive orders, and the soldiers, who are used to carry it out. it seems like a majority of the armed forces truly share the same world view they are helping to propagate, but there's always people like you who just wanted to serve your country, and were unfortunately exploited for less honorable political and economic ends.

unfortunately, the media, and mainstream culture is also largely propelled by this same world view. now that your eyes are opened, i would suggest checking out more independent media sources(http://www.indymedia.org is a network of independent journalists from all over the world, and is an excellent place to start diversifying your new sources) and compare the perspectives given by different sources. consider what interest each organization has in the issues they report(or don't report) and in that way you can discover hidden biases or outright distortion of truth. the disillusionment is a very painful and scary process, but you need to arm yourself with information and knowledge in order to make progressive changes to our society.

someone in your position has the gift of being a much more trusted authority than most people on the specific criticisms you have for the government because you've been there, and you can relate to the sentiments of those who still buy into the dominant sociopolitical ideology in the united states. you can make a difference because you are that much more persuasive than someone like me when you talk to people about these forms of manipulation.

i'm actually thinking about starting up sort of a thought collective, or like an information repository in which any person with internet access can contribute to. my vision is to have people post their writing(essays, poems, journalistic pieces, comedic writing, anything they choose to contribute) on the site and allow people to give feedback or start up discussions about each submission. it's still in its early developmental stages but once it's up i'd really be interested in having you post some of your opinions and observations up on it.

the site is currently hosted at http://www.or-pheus.com, there's really not much up yet just a basic layout. but if you'd be interested in contributing i can let you know when a working beta is up and running. i think you are in the position to open the eyes of a lot of young people and probably even some older folks, and one of the primary objectives of the probject i'm working on is facilitating the dissemination of valuable information/experiences/opinions such as yours.
 
i've been told by friends and people i hang out with that i could change the world, and i guess im just begining. but WE need networking and places like this to spread the knowledge. its not easy to open the eyes of others who are under this trance, it wasn't easy for me to. i guess my experience with the army compared to others differs only because my mind is open. i always like to look at things in a series of ways.

after returning home from initial active duty training in the army, everyone said that i was different. i studied my new behaviors and those of the soldiers around me, and it became apparent that we had all been transformed into "robots". we could no longer act and react to things in the civilian world like we used to. we became trained to do only as told. great men were becoming ruined.

ive seen men return to their home, only to be lost. can't hold a good job because they constantly have to be told how to do somthing. we were stripped of the ability to think for ourselves.

i started to research our government because of the things i was experiencing in the army. i knew of things we were doing that was wrong, but didn't know what to do about it. i mean, how exactlly do you confront your government without being incarserated? i came accross a person who is now my best friend who introduced me to this site, and i instantly saw great potential for reaching the public around the world. this is the only way i can think of doing this, to spread the knowledge and let humane instinct do the rest. if people really understand what this government is doing, then they should know that we need to stop them before this world becomes of one like on Equilibrium. the public is nothing but cattle to the government. they use us all for tools for the top dogs to get richer and more powerful.

and this whole thing with us electing a president and shit. like our government is going to let one man control everything in this country. the president is a fucking puppet. another tool for our government. you think it was bush that wanted to go into iraq? he was manipulated just as we were.

there have been good presidents and public leaders who have tried to do the same as i am, but they have all been killed by our government. will i suffer the same fate? i dont know and dont care. i just want people to wake up from the fantasy world this government puts us in, and let people start to think for themselves. alot of you may thing that you do think for yourself, and to a certain extent you do. but the government is a mean mechanism. they have researched for years how to control people.

i dont blame those who flew that plane into the wtc. you have to think of it from their prospective. what would you do if a country came into yours and proclaimed that everything you were raised to do was wrong and imoral? threatening your lifstyle. stealing your fredom from you? to many they were terrorist to us, but to me and their people, they were simply fighting their terrorist. we are the terrorist to them. we have no reason to be over there. many of you may ask when we were over there fucking with their lifstyle? well, we started in the gulf war. havent really stoped since.

the government made lies so we could gain ground and permission to be in another country. we liberated kuwait so we could have soldiers over there. we established bases to "protect" kuwait from iraq. what the fuck would iraq want with kuwaut? they werent fucking with them. they never did shit untill our troops got over there. the only reason they did shit then was because we were a threat to them.

i think that politicians should have to have their children in the armed forces. you think any of them would send their own kids to fight and die for no reason but money and power? nope, they just send those who they dont know, then put comercials on tv to recognize them as heroes. yea, they got alot from it. and their families, what did they get from it. no one but the big dogs get anything from this shit. who is paying for those war debts, casualties, and post war syndroms? id bet my life on it that no one in the government who planned to invade the inocent country will.

im getting way too pissed off to continue, but i just hope im helping the awakening of this poor world. the lies stop here. no more games and bullshit. just facts. stop the u.s. government b4 its too late. im trying to save TRUE freedom, not the fake freedom our government proclaims to offer.

thanks thursday.
 
Thursday and Sg, I am very new here and I just want to say how proud I am of people like you. You do love your contry, but it goes alot deeper than that. Good on ya's.:)
 
I get what your saying but I wouldnt be saying 9'11 was justified. I realise its probably not what you meant, I just dont think violence is the answer to any situation. It was shit violence was justified to bring more violence, but killing innocent people aint something you can explain off by going into a terrorists point of view. Plus it doesnt help you case if you get labeled as the guy who said 911 was OK. Anyway, would be cool if you could like get on 60 minutes and tell 'em what operations you conducted without insignia, in an illegal/ balck ops fashion, If you remember the times and dates and stuff.
 
bullshit, i aint going to go on tv, then get ass raped by the gov. i didn't say that 9-11 was right, i just stated that i understand why they did it. the U.S. invaded their country killing inocent people. so they did the same. youve got to put up a fight, and not just let someone come into your country and kill for no reason. unfortunately the government is really good about tricking the general public, so when the "terrorist" did attack on 9-11, it seemed like THEY were the ones commiting the crime. its like when you were in school and a kid hit you, then you hit them back. the teacher didnt see you get hit, but they saw you hit them back. and what happened? you were the one who got in trouble. same thing the government made the 9-11 attack look. "we didn't do anything, it was them" they say.
 
So I hear you loud and clear Sg.

For all of recorded history it has been the same. Govt's hitting back and forth . Continual war for all of human history. When you hate it's the name of the game.

The question isn't if you were wronged or you did wrong. The question is can you be the first one to stop hitting back at the ones who hit at you or vice versa.

The most courageous act a man can perform in this crazy world at large IMO is to forgive his enemies or admit he has also acted as an enemy. We can't expect our Govt's to do this, they are incapable of mature action.

But we (the collective we) are the Govt. People elected them because they were afraid, and are unable to take responsibility for self governance. (I was just following orders).

So as individuals we must change ourselves and not expect the outside world to respect or support that change. To Love unconditionally all of life the good and bad, right and wrong is the benchmark of the truely evolved man/woman.

I applaud your willingness to tell the truth. I can see you're angry which is understandable. I hope your anger does not lead your life. It's easy to let that happen. Believe it or not everyone is doing the best that they can. Many were treated so badly as children by parents, culture (matrix), church, school, govt. , that they can't do anything else, and to show them anything but love and compassion will automatically trigger their fear and anger. Blessings.:)
 
as someone once said, "We must be the change we want to see".

and what i am trying to do is awaken people so that they can see what is going on, so they can change.

Originally posted by U.R.B.4.U.R.

The most courageous act a man can perform in this crazy world at large IMO is to forgive his enemies or admit he has also acted as an enemy. We can't expect our Govt's to do this, they are incapable of mature action.

agreed. that is why we must spread the knowledge. Awaken this world from the bullshit and lies this country spreads to benefit itself.

it just really pisses me off how they proclaim to offer freedom to all, and proclaim to save others from inhumane acts from others; when they are merly doing exactly the oposit. i give them credit for their skills, but it is sickening. i just want to be a contributing factor to an environment where people are truely free. no mind control, no leader, no fighting, nothing bad, just a population of happy people living. a place where you can do whatever you want to yourself. why should you not have the right to do something to yourself? it is your body. what does it matter to others? yea, we really have freedom in the great u.s. of a. laws here and there about what you cant do to yourself.

and what is the deal with the whole citezenship shit? why cant you come and go as you please? we all share this world, but sepparate it with borders and regulations n laws. i hate it. just wanna get outta here. ive always thought that i should have been born back in the earlier days when there was unexplored areas. just gather up people who thought like me and go form a little society.

i see one flaw in my thoughts though. human nature. there will always be someone who will fuck it up. now, what would we do in this society i want to form to stop the person or persons without forming laws. oust them? have a popular vote to decide? i think that would be alright i guess. when the society is faced with a problem, we decide together what to do. but then wouldn't that be a government in itself? very complicated right now. im going to have to take some psychology classes to try to understand more. maybe ill rewatch the documentary "the meaning of self" or something like that again. read up on some sigmund frued. ill have to study, then start a new thread.
 
yes, it is hard to watch society drift into materialism and mind-control... there will always be those who try to change the path we are going collectively, and there are ways the government can bring you down. i personally don't believe any human being will be able to change the path of materialism and guide us away from the disease. you will be taken out. but i see why you are trying, and i cant say it is a bad thing. there are better ways to look at life, and a lot of us are ignorant in that sort of way.
 
Sg, You're going to drive youself crazy for years trying to understand why things are the way they are.

I finally gave it up after about 30 yrs. The only person you can really change is yourself. You can put out the info but you can't make them drink it up.

It's the evolutionary state of humanity right now. If you are able through great struggle to evolve yourself you will be doing the maximum one human can do.

I don't like to use christianity as an example because it is so corrupted. But look at affect one man had on the world by evolving himself.

Do you think that you cannot do what he did. You'd be wrong One step at a time you can evolve youself and I think thats why you are here at this spiritual time and not back in the "good ol days" that never existed anyway.

Please don't think I'm preaching at you. I think you are perfect the way you are, but the tool I use for personal evolution is to "Love everyone unconditionally, including youself."
 
yea, this prety much sums up how i feel about this world.

"Scars"

I tear my heart open, I sew myself shut
My weakness is that I care too much
My scars remind me that the past is real
I tear my heart open just to feel

Drunk and I'm feeling down
And I just wanna be alone
I'm pissed cause you came around
Why don't you just go home
Cause you channel all your pain
And I can't help you fix yourself
You're making me insane
All I can say is

I tear my heart open, I sew myself shut
My weakness is that I care too much
And our scars remind us that the past is real
I tear my heart open just to feel

I tried to help you once
Against my own advice
I saw you going down
But you never realized
That you're drowning in the water
So I offered you my hand
Compassions in my nature
Tonight is our last stand

I'm drunk and I'm feeling down
And I just wanna be alone
You shouldn't ever came around
Why don't you just go home?
Cause you're drowning in the water
And I tried to grab your hand
And I left my heart open
But you didn't understand
But you didn't understand
Go fix yourself

I can't help you fix yourself
But at least I can say I tried
I'm sorry but I gotta move on with my own life
I can't help you fix yourself
But at least I can say I tried
I'm sorry but I gotta move on with my own life
 
The question isn't if you were wronged or you did wrong. The question is can you be the first one to stop hitting back at the ones who hit at you or vice versa.

I don't have the energy to comment on the many things I'd like to comment on in this thread, but this in particular resonates well with my thoughts. I've always felt that fighting fire with fire just fuels the fire, that there's no real defeat of an enemy when one must become the mirror image of the enemy in order to defeat him -- and that there's an all-too-often-overlooked hypocracy in the act of killing people to show that killing people is wrong.

Great thread.
 
Sg, That's how I used to feel. I have changed over the years. You have no way of knowing what someone else needs. That's ego. If you want to help someone you better acknowledge that you might be the fucked up one and you better not be attached to a payback for your "gift" of love.

Letting go (surrendering ) to what is, may be the most difficult and fullfilling thing you can do when it comes to relationships to friends lovers, or country.

And careing too much is not a weakness if your caring is unconditional.

:)

Rewiiired, Right on!=D
 
^how shit goin for ya soldier? have fun over there. stay motivated. dont let em get the best of ya. do what they say, then try to forget it. i know its bullshit what you have to do. but what can you do?
 
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