Opioids Good or bad idea

[Not Again]

at 120mg it's fine just to CT it will feel pretty bad but if you don't feel bad like that what is to stop you from using again in the future

I'm doing 120-160 it varies. 160 if I want to get high at the end of the day.

I can feel 60mg pretty good. It does the job and makes me happy for 1.5 hours or so. I just wished it lasted longer. I drink Grapefruit juice and take tums like I've read, not sure if that does anything.
I've gone CT from 90 and I hated life for 3 weeks. It took 2 months till I felt really normal and happy, well as happy as I can get without opiates.

It's so weird how an opiate addiction can be totally hidden even from your closest family. Taking a couple little blue pills is so easy. Also opiates like this don't interfere with work, in fact in a sales position it helps ALOT! as long as you have them there is no problems.

I think it takes me over 24 hours to actually get sick, so in that case I have a lot of time to get what I need. Kratom ( a lot) carried me for 2 days a couple weeks ago.

And MR S. I was asking the question hoping someone that actually experienced it would answer the question.

This forum is for info and there is a lot of great info.

 

[TooOldForThis]

I have no advice, but really want to support you in your decision to get off the pills. I am trying to find the motivation to do the same, and it helps me to read about other people making the decision, and being successful. And I totally can relate to your comment on people not knowing you are on the pills. I can sit in a room full of family members who are doctors, and they have no idea that I am high. I am not bragging. I think it makes it that much easier to use, and that much harder to quit.

 

[RTrain]

You say you were in withdrawal for 3 weeks off 90 mg? or dd the w/d go away after like 4-6 days and you were just depressed and lazy for the rest of that time, AKA post acute withdraawal.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

And MR S. I was asking the question hoping someone that actually experienced it would answer the question.

This forum is for info and there is a lot of great info.

Fair enough man.

Well, I've experienced it plenty of times and the one thing you need to take away is this... it sucks and you want to avoid it at all costs. Hah. It's basically the bupe forcing your body into brutal withdrawals instantly. It happens because bupe has a higher affinity for your brain receptors than other opiates, and for dependent people, taking bupe with something else still in your system, the bupe rips the other opiate off your receptors forcing instant withdrawal. It lasts for a couple hours usually.

The key to avoiding it is to 1. Wait until you're in full withdrawal from opiates before beginning bupe. and 2. Begin dosing slowly and titrate up.

 

[Not Again]

You say you were in withdrawal for 3 weeks off 90 mg? or dd the w/d go away after like 4-6 days and you were just depressed and lazy for the rest of that time, AKA post acute withdraawal.

I had seroquel and slept for the first 3 days. The wd's seemed to last the whold week. I was pissed off and lazy and un happy for a month. To top it off, soon as I felt decent enough to do anything my back got thrown out. For no reason at all. So that debilitated me even another week, till I got to a masseuse who said my back was all out of wack.

Fair enough man.

Well, I've experienced it plenty of times and the one thing you need to take away is this... it sucks and you want to avoid it at all costs. Hah. It's basically the bupe forcing your body into brutal withdrawals instantly. It happens because bupe has a higher affinity for your brain receptors than other opiates, and for dependent people, taking bupe with something else still in your system, the bupe rips the other opiate off your receptors forcing instant withdrawal. It lasts for a couple hours usually.

The key to avoiding it is to 1. Wait until you're in full withdrawal from opiates before beginning bupe. and 2. Begin dosing slowly and titrate up.

I want to avoid the month it took last time to recover. I just don't have the time to throw away right now. Will Sub allow me to keep going? Can I work and be a father and not disappear for weeks?

Will it avoid wd's? I hear horror stories. I have Kaiser and the addiction clinic near me only does quick tapers not maintenance. I understand quick tapers are 2-3 weeks. Is that a good way to go in your opinion?

I want to stop. Some problems are it's abundant for me. I have to pay but I have a great salary so buying them is not a burden. I love the feeling. I have had a horrible childhood. I saw my father get killed when I was 10 y/o and bassically lived on the streets till I made something of my self. ( I had no help except for God) and that has given me depression and several addictions( meth, Alcohol, weed, LSD, Tobacco, just about anything and everything) . Oxy seems to be the best fix for it. It doesn't hinder work ., as far as I know it's not bad for the liver or body.
I always keep plenty so I'm not always searching for it, it basically comes to me.

It's sucks that what fixes my depression is a problem in it's self.

Thank you MR. S for your input and knowledge.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I had seroquel and slept for the first 3 days. The wd's seemed to last the whold week. I was pissed off and lazy and un happy for a month. To top it off, soon as I felt decent enough to do anything my back got thrown out. For no reason at all. So that debilitated me even another week, till I got to a masseuse who said my back was all out of wack.




I want to avoid the month it took last time to recover. I just don't have the time to throw away right now. Will Sub allow me to keep going? Can I work and be a father and not disappear for weeks?

Will it avoid wd's? I hear horror stories. I have Kaiser and the addiction clinic near me only does quick tapers not maintenance. I understand quick tapers are 2-3 weeks. Is that a good way to go in your opinion?

I want to stop. Some problems are it's abundant for me. I have to pay but I have a great salary so buying them is not a burden. I love the feeling. I have had a horrible childhood. I saw my father get killed when I was 10 y/o and bassically lived on the streets till I made something of my self. ( I had no help except for God) and that has given me depression and several addictions( meth, Alcohol, weed, LSD, Tobacco, just about anything and everything) . Oxy seems to be the best fix for it. It doesn't hinder work ., as far as I know it's not bad for the liver or body.
I always keep plenty so I'm not always searching for it, it basically comes to me.

It's sucks that what fixes my depression is a problem in it's self.

Thank you MR. S for your input and knowledge.

Yeah the sub will definitely allow you to function. It can take a couple days to become fully stabilized and have all of your withdrawals taken away, but it does work. Then a quick taper would actually be a pretty good idea. Getting off long term sub use is very difficult. You can spend hours reading the stories about people struggling to get off bupe on this site.

So yeah, the bupe would probably be a good idea for you then. Just remember that less is more. You want to be on as small a dose as you can handle.

I wish you the best of luck man.

 

[UnspokenVoice]

I read a lot of good replies and wanted to chime in...

When you were young did you sing the song, "I don't know why she swallowed the fly?" You know, she swallowed the cat to catch the bird, she swallowed the bird to catch the spider, she swallowed the spider to catch the fly, I don't know why she swallowed the fly, perhaps she'll die.

Anyhow, 120 isn't much. Swallow the bullet and go cold turkey and give it your best shot before you think of using other substances. Seek therapy or a 12 step program first? You can try to taper first too. That's not always a bad thing. Go to 90 for a week, 60 for a week, 30 for a week, maybe 15 for a week, and then stop. I, personally, can't taper (I lack the willpower and have a car and money and, chances are, some more drugs 'cause I had tomorrow's dose too) but I know people who have managed to successfully quit that way.

 

[RTrain]

I had seroquel and slept for the first 3 days. The wd's seemed to last the whold week. I was pissed off and lazy and un happy for a month. To top it off, soon as I felt decent enough to do anything my back got thrown out. For no reason at all. So that debilitated me even another week, till I got to a masseuse who said my back was all out of wack.

By the sounds of the way your body processes the oxy, a week is reasonable for the acute withdrawal, the post acute withdrawal was everything after that, the whole laziness, lack of ambition, depression, and general boredom that follows the withdrawal. That will for away in due time, you gotta get your brain back to the point where it was able to generate endorphins regularly on its own, through various activities that natural produce them. Exercise along with a good diet and a healthy social life will make the process much easier to deal with. We neglect all these things when on drugs because we feel good without them, but once the drugs are gone those things don't help as much, the more you do it though the more the body starts to resort back to its old ways to produce good feelings.

The post acute phase shouldn't be too long for you, as your habit wasn't over a horribly long time. I think a ballpark estimate would be for every month of addiction it adds a week of PAWS, obviously many factor to alter this such as tolerance and personal bpdy chemistry,.

I would agree with ^ not to jump right into using something like Suboxone to get clean. Maybe in a situation where you get 1-2 8 mg pills and do a quick taper, but I thnk at that habit a cold turkey should at least be tried. If you could taper like was mentioned, it would make the withdrawal much easier, but the taper itself will be uncomfortable, at least the first 2-3 days of the reduced dose.