good exercises and weightlifting for pectorals?

Bare_head

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so i been going to the gym now for about four months, really love how its calmed me as a person find it relieves my stress more than anything and have found some pretty decent gains from simple eating more , protein shakes and a bit of creatine.

For any of yous serious weight lifters, how much do you spend on your chest, i focus on it twice a week though i find it hard defining this muscle more than any other muscles.

I find that its a really big muscle and my pec has always been a bit flabby, i am not fat by any means, i mean i do this weight lifting to gain weight but definately need more work on my pecs.

so what best exercises and weights for my chest, i do bench press, incline bench, flies, chest press, pec dec, dumbell decline fly.

i read that it takes alot more exercises to shape the perfect pectoral. if anyone had any advice on how to shape my chest better and make it more defined
 
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I always start my chest and shoulder day on the flat bench. Then I'll do a couple sets on incline. Next I'll do 2 sets of standing overhead barbell presses. Then I'll do dumbbell raises, front, side, and bent over. Then I'll hit up the cable crossover type thing and do a few sets on that. Then it's dumbbell press/inlcine, and I'll usually throw in a decline barbell press. Then I finish it up on the pec deck machine. And then I have my post workout drink and hit the steam room.
 
Ignore what those guys said.

Once a week isolated training will only give beginner gains and steroid gains.

and incline, decline, upside down, whatever makes no difference. You can't train one side of the muscle, like the top of your pec by doing inclines, it doesn't work like that.


Want big pecs?

Strategically decondition the muscle by not training at all for 2 weeks then hit it with:

Training 3 times per week with a day off inbetween.

2 sets of barbell bench press
2 sets of dumbbell bench press

Cycle the load so you start at a lower weight and approach your maximum lift.
 
^ too much volume

that might work for awhile as a beginner but quickly you will come to a point in your lifting where you have to lower the weights so much in order to be able to recover by the next workout
 
Bare head, I assume that you're doing about 20-25 sets for your chest every workout. If your doing that tough of a workout twice a week your not giving your chest much time for recovery so your chest is going to get that soft non defined look from the over training.

Try cutting back your chest days to 10-15 sets and alternate heavy and light workouts during the week i.e. monday 80% of max, Friday 60% max. Or just cut back to once per week. Whatever you do, be sure to mix up exercises, sets, and reps to keep your chest guessing which will ultimately get it to grow.

As for Beamers, what are you talking about? Different angles put more strain on certain parts of the chest muscle. It's not going to be completely isolated but if you want total development of the chest you better work the angles.
 
Grip width only affects the lats or pecs differently if the elbow is moved into a different plane of motion. There is no need to do incline press, shoulder press, and overhead db press all in the same workout, not to mention 3 times per week. If you insist on doing all of these shoulder movements you need to arrange an alternating workout schedule. Do flat bench and shoulder press on one workout, then dips and incline press on the next. Then just alternate between the two exercise routines each workout. The same goes for biceps. If you are training back properly, there is no need to do two different curling movements in a single workout. As with shoulders, alternate between curling movements from workout to workout.

How does grip width and different angles change the stimulus?
In general, when person moves their grip from wide to narrow, the elbows will pull in towards the side of the body during the pulling motion. This changes the line of pull transferred to the muscles of the back and shoulders.
It also changes the degree of stretch, or the length of the muscle during the contraction.
As for recruitment, the innervation of the lats is from the thoracodorsal nerve. With practice you can lean to control the lat, apart from the surrounding musculature. This however, isn’t necessary for typical lifting, nor is it possible with heavy loads.
Think of the lat as a sheet that can experience different levels of tension depending on how you stretch it.
Training a muscle in a lengthened position will cause more microtrauma than training it in a shortened position. Decline curls stretch the short (inner) head more than the outer (long) head of the biceps simply due to their different origins. The short head originating at the coracoid process and the outer head attaches to the humerus. So the outer head doesn’t stretch as the upper arm is moved away from the center line of the body whereas the inner head does.
The pec minor actually lies beneath the pec major so you don’t actually see it. The pec minor attaches to the ribs and the coracoid process. The pec minor simply pulls the shoulder girdle forward. The pec major moves the upper arm because of its insertion at the humerus.
Studies have shown that the upper portion of the pec is usually just as active as the lower portion during heavy flat bench. However, there is some benefit to doing incline bench because it seems to help build the clavicular portion of the pecs and the front delts.
Nothing isolates the “inner” portion of chest. The myth arose out of the “sensation” that one feels as the pec becomes cramped while contracting it (with the arms brought close together in front of the body and flexed hard). Isolating the inner pec is like isolating one portion of a rubber band as you stretch it from either end. Now, there are differences in the way the muscle experiences stress due to the convergence of the fibers near the insertions at the musculo-tendonus junction...but that’s more detail than is necessary.
One thing everyone should keep in mind. The distribution of androgen receptors is not even throughout the body. There is a greater density of androgen receptors on the shoulder girdle (delts, traps, upper pecs). You will notice, that once a guy begins to use androgens, he almost immediately grows traps and delts. In short, there are disproportional increases in muscle mass
 
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grip width is irrelevant as far as I know, but the position of the palm relative to the body does change the muscles impacted

I prefer for DB press to have palms facing each other

also for weighted pullups I prefer the neutral palms facing each other direction

just feels better and I can go heavier

ymmv
 
Butterflys for exteroir, Inclined benches for inner pectoral/cleavage & declined bench press for exterior/closer to shoulder and standard for all around. Supplementation is key, variety is the spice of life & your muscles know this.
 
Flabby... hmmm... that's a little surprising given the number of exercises you're doing. That's all in a single week??

I agree with the poster above that you should cut down the number of different exercises, though since you're only doing them twice a week... it's hard for me to tell if you're overtraining without more info about sets/reps/weight. Regardless, maintain variety, and intensity; DO increase to three on-days a week, but LOWER the weight, and RAISE the reps.

Understand that some of this is genetics, and that what you see on tv or photographs isn't the norm.
 
Can't beat heavy bench presses for pectorals. Incline bench press and dumbell presses as well. Lift heavy with freeweights and avoid the machines. :)
 
I was curious about this, i used to do bench presses every day at work and my chest just got bigger, not defined. Now i've lost about 14lbs since then but my chest just wont get that peccish look, i use press up bars and low weight dumb bells. Theres a slight problem in that my wrists are fucked after a car crash and riding sports bikes.
 
Once a week isolated training will only give beginner gains and steroid gains.



Want big pecs?

Strategically decondition the muscle by not training at all for 2 weeks then hit it with:

Training 3 times per week with a day off inbetween.

LOL what the hell? Steroid gains? I think you have it turned around there beamer. If anything, you'd only even THINK of hitting pecs 3X a week if you were on the sauce. Otherwise, that's way too much. I've been hitting it once a week, very intense for a long time now, and I'm still experiencing good results.

To address the "flabby chest" issue, all you can do is drop body fat %. I have the same problem. My pecs are one of the first places I will gain fat, and it's really hard for me to have a big, and ripped looking chest. As someone mentioned, that goes back to genetics.
 
You gotta do what works for YOU!!! You gotta let the muscle do the work and listen to your body....

For instance, flat barbell bench press doesn't really target my pecs...It works primarily my front deltoids and triceps, while for most people, they swear by flat bench for pecs....

Incline dumbell presses, and the hammer strength machines really allow me to isolate me chest the most....

Here is one of my chest routines which is done once a week

Incline barbell press

incline dumbell press

decline bench

hammer strength decline

flat bench dumbell

4 sets of each exercise following 12, 10, 8, 5 reps...the 5 reps are done to complete failure..i'll do that for 2 weeks (once every 7 days) and then take out 3 exercises and add 3 different ones such as cable crossovers, and other isolation hammer strength
 
as parooolller said do what works for you . I tend to keep it simple I'll always institute heavy flat bench then work my way to inlcline either barbell or dumbell (always concentrate on good form and go slow on incline as you can make it very challenging by doing this) then military then follow up with flys. About once a month I'll switch from inline to concentrating on decline . Switching it up is key but its not rocket science just make sure and bust your ass on it once a week
 
Correct...always switch your workouts on a bi weekly basis...Even incorporating different angles, grips, etc...will stimulate massive growth!
 
Bench Presses are over-rated. Dips are the ultimate chest mass builder and are Jay Cutlers's exercise of choice for building the chest.
 
Bench Presses are over-rated. Dips are the ultimate chest mass builder and are Jay Cutlers's exercise of choice for building the chest.

Lol it doesn't mean it will isolate the chest for anyone else....Dips are terrible for my chest and target my deltoids and a little triceps...

Jay Cutler also takes in more exogenous testosterone than all of our natural levels on this website conmbined and he is sponsored by muscletech who is infamous for hype and over marketing....although some of their products are effective i.e nano vapor and gakic
 
^ Haha true about the roids. But when any of those dudes says something about training I take it seriously as it is their livelihood after all,regardless of their anabolic intake.

I just try to get people off the bench press obsession as that does target triceps too much and can be harmful if done in excess. I would go for incline/decline/flat DB presses alternatively and swith it up with some cable work and yes DIPS as they seem to target the pecs nicely for me. Perhaps you should lean forward more in execution?

Most pec pushing movements will target the triceps secondary anyway.
 
^ Haha true about the roids. But when any of those dudes says something about training I take it seriously as it is their livelihood after all,regardless of their anabolic intake.

I just try to get people off the bench press obsession as that does target triceps too much and can be harmful if done in excess. I would go for incline/decline/flat DB presses alternatively and swith it up with some cable work and yes DIPS as they seem to target the pecs nicely for me. Perhaps you should lean forward more in execution?

Most pec pushing movements will target the triceps secondary anyway.

But what I'm trying to emphasize is...What works for Jay Cutler MIGHT not work for me or you or Arnold....

Obviously we all have unique bodies, some have longer arms, shorter legs, and some people are built and look like bb;ers out of their moms vagina...
 
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