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Ginseng?

hashforlife

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I need something to make me more motivated and more able to, or shall I say willing to, wake up in the morning. I hate stimulants, and provigil and the likes aren't prescribed here. I drink one cup of coffe in the morning and green tea the rset of the day, maybe 2-3 cups.

Now I am reading about ginseng, but I don't wan't to waste my money on some crap, the quality seems to vary a lot. What should I look for, and is it even worth buying?

I am on remeron and valium, I guess you can see where the tiredness is coming from....
 
Ginseng will help somewhat, but it won't give you a energy jolt. It takes a while to work, and the effects are subtle but noticeable.

As for the types, I'm sure you know that the different types can be mind boggling. However the most potent is panax ginseng (asian ginseng).
 
I actually bought the one that is said to be the most value for money here(norway), liquid panax ginseng. I took the recomended dose and a cup of green tea, and I feel good and not tired at all. Considering the other factors playing with my mental state I'd say it helps a little.

Any suggestions on dosing, timing and combinations? I know its a subtle help, not a "drug".
 
sorry tried to google and find the article ( in the past year ) but i cant find it but it was even in a crappy NYC newspaper if I am not mistaken when the info came out that Ginseng's health benefits do not out weigh the health concerns, it was research of some kind and if I can get my friend to tellme where it is ( if its on line ) I will post the info.
 
I heard about being unhealthy, but it was some special form of it that's not in usuall ginseng capsules you buy. As I understand usuall ginseng you can buy in capsules is not near efficient as the one used traditionally as a medicine, but it's very safe to take...(I don't keep references sorry)
 
I seem to become more awake longer from caffiene, and "don't feel" my valium in the same way, at least not the come up. Suddenly I am overcome with the valium feeling, quite nice.
 
Some info on various herbals . . . includes info on ginseng and its effect on bloodclotting . . .


Alternative medicines pose danger for surgery patients

By Caroline Helwick

NEW ORLEANS – Work by anesthesiologists is providing evidence "alternative medicines" may pose risks during surgery.
At the American Society of Anesthesiologists' annual meeting here recently, researchers from MD Anderson Cancer Centre in Houston described the case of a 37-year-old Chinese man who presented with bleeding after two operations, the first to remove a tumour in the neck and the second to restore vocal cord function. A meticulous workup revealed the patient's complications were triggered by long-term consumption of ginseng tea.
The patient had not reported his ginseng use, but his wife mentioned it in passing afterward. He survived the surgery, but required three procedures to manage the bleeding, said Dr. Jessie Leak, an anesthesiologist at MD Anderson.
"We know ginseng has properties that can interfere with blood clotting, which is why the herb should not be taken with Aspirin or other drugs that can also affect clotting," she noted. "This patient was not taking any other anticoagulants and still had problems. When you mix herbs, anticoagulants or antiplatelets, an anesthetic and a surgical field, you have a recipe for disaster."
Anesthesiologists and surgeons should elicit complete information about the patient's consumption of drugs, herbs, vitamins and other dietary supplements, she said.
In her presentation, Dr. Leak highlighted other broad types of potential complications.
• Cardiovascular instability: Ephedra, or ma-huang, a cardiovascular stimulant used in thousands of dietary supplements, has been linked with heart attacks, arrhythmia and chest pain. Considered by Dr. Leak to be the most dangerous herb on the market, it also has been associated with cerebral hemorrhages, strokes, psychosis and memory loss.
Other herbs and supplements linked with cardiovascular complications include ginseng, glycyrrhiza glabra (licorice), used for stomach problems, and vitamin E in doses greater than 1,200 IU. St. John's wort can decrease levels of digoxin by as much as 25%, therefore, patients taking these two in combination could jeopardize their cardiovascular health.
• Enhanced bleeding potential: Substances that can affect blood-clotting include ginseng, ginkgo biloba, feverfew, garlic and vitamin E in doses over 1,600 IU daily.
• Prolonged anesthesia: Kava-kava, used as a remedy for skin disorders and anxiety, enhances the effects of barbiturates and anti-anxiety medications and produces pain relief similar to a local anesthetic. Valerian and St. John's wort also may extend anesthesia's effects.
• Kidney and liver complications: Echinacea, used to boost the immune system; creatine, used to boost athletic endurance; and licorice all may exacerbate kidney and liver problems.
• Thyroid abnormalities: TRIAC (triiodothyroacetic acid) has been linked with abnormal thyroid function, severe diarrhea, fatigue, lethargy and weight loss.
• Electrolyte disturbances: Goldenseal may reduce the effectiveness of antihypertensive agents. Used as a diuretic, the herb is actually an aquaretic that facilitates the excretion of water only, not sodium and water.
• Decreased effectiveness of HIV medications: St. John's wort may significantly reduce the efficacy of protease inhibitors and contribute to drug resistance.
Lesser-known effects of herbs and supplements include postmenopausal bleeding from ginseng; manic episodes associated with ginseng combined with antidepressants; increased risk of suicide in severe depressives taking kava-kava; and increased risk of ulcers with feverfew.


link: http://www.medicalpost.com/mpcontent/article.jsp?content=/content/EXTRACT/RAWART/3804/35B.html
 
I'm sure i read somewhere(too lazy to find source, sorry) that the chemicals used in the production of cheaper ginseng products that are produced in countries that lack regulation of the market can have large amounts of harmful pesticides etc that are used in the production process.

It's probably worth checking the origin of your products and opting for big brand names. Not necessarily a guarantee of quality, but might be a little safer.
 
Try roseroot, its stimulant but not stressing. Good for exercise also, plus has a lot of helth benefits.
Ginseng is good. Have you tried Guarana?
 
I tried some guarana pills but didn't feel it at all, it's mostly slightly better version of caffeine than in coffee
 
Yeah, i find Guarana doesnt makeme nervous like coffe does.

Chew tobacco ("Snus") wakes me up good in the morning. Q10 is also good for energy.
 
I drink both coffe and green tea, which is my favourite drink, but I get more tired than awake from caffiene. Brain chemistry I guess, even the power-coffe;) they make at work just slows me down.
 
I've tried the gensing suppliment about two months ago and was driven to spread its benefit to my friends as I was constantly energized and feeling quite nice. Although, strangely enough, I seem to have built up a tollerance to it. I've stopped using it for it just isn't worth the $20. Damnit. Any thoughts?
 
dykesmacker all herbal supplements should by cycled. Try a month break then try again. Consider cycling it with green tea.
 
Unless you get an actual fresh ginseng root, and prepare it in a way that doesn't damage the natural alkaloids, I doubt it will have much effect beyond placebo. The pills and liquids are so over-processed, it's not going to be anywhere close to potent.
 
we have a powdered ginseng at work thats supposed to be good. honestly exercise and diet would be the best, but getting that started and motivation is sooo difficult...redbull might be worth it, i find frappucinos get me going, although i hate relying on stimulants like that (and im immune to most caffeine, not sure why this works). spirulina may be a good idea, or wheat grass.
 
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