Grayanotoxins are produced by Rhododendron species and other plants in the family Ericaceae. Honey made from the nectar and so containing pollen of these plants also contains grayanotoxins and is commonly referred to as mad honey.
It's basically the same thing as mad honey. Same toxins. Definitely needs more research to consider safe as far as HR goes
While the input is appreciated, this is all info we’ve talked about extensively. I know they contain the same Grayanotoxins, hence my comparisons between the two.
On paper it’s the “same thing” but not all Grayanotoxins are as toxic as each other and there’s different amounts/ratios between Ghost Pipe and Mad Honey. Also as already stated, this is a plant with hundreds of years of herbal use. It’s likely been used much more than Mad Honey in America for a long time, yet we don’t see any deaths and hardly if any hospitalizations. It’s available from many herbal suppliers and has been.
I’m not just pulling this out my ass to say it’s ok for folks to try. You find me hospitalizations and/or deaths and I’ll gladly take back my statement. I looked, and if I recall found information stating there HASNT been any.
On top of Mad Honey and Ghost Pipe being from two different plants with different levels and ratios of Grayanotoxins, Mad Honey is.. Honey. I’ve done quite a bit of research on psychoactive honeys. Bio active substances found in honey are often in their more bioavailable aglycone form, also honey seems to be a “food matrix” which just in of itself improves BA. This is why many old drug formulations were done in/with honey.
With the honey you have what equates to an extract in comparison to raw Ghost Pipe plant. Also with high variability in the honey depending on bees collecting behaviors, droughts, time of year, etc you get a product that can’t be dosed reliably.
-GC