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Getting kicked off methadone for being junkie scum

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Labour's plans to impose abstinency have come into play now. A 'tribunal' will inevitably decide to taper me off my methadone and perhaps switch me to buprenorphine and then after a further taper, cut me off. Whenever I don't have opioids in my veins I feel incredibly lethargic even if I'm not in acute withdrawal. It is so bad that I have to lay down on my front sweaty all day and night and won't be able to sleep for a long time.

If it goes on for a long time (more than a month) I suspect I might become suicidal. That is not a threat or melodrama. It is what I predict will happen.

So, two options - go private or move to either Europe or Canada. Canada has a higher quality of life and I have a Canadian passport as well as a British one. How much does going private to get a methadone maintenance script cost? I am so poor I don't think I can afford it. I can't afford to be a heroin junkie stealing peoples' purses either and I can't afford to suck dick. It doesn't suit me. If I move to Canada how would the health insurance work?

Please give me some advice, I am very worried!!!
 
WTF man up and spend some time shitting, cramping and depressed as whale shit . it goes away and is certainly less of a big deal than the drama-rama that you are posting
 
wrong forum, mate. :)

shall i move to NASADD?

I'll let you decide.

WTF man up and spend some time shitting, cramping and depressed as whale shit . it goes away and is certainly less of a big deal than the drama-rama that you are posting

No, it doesn't go away. It lasts for years (that's my fear). I abused opiates before age 25. My brain's neurochemistry has been irreparrably damaged.
 
sounds to me as if the OP isnt even in the states? if thats the case then we cant help you here bro. and i know at my clinic the only way to get kicked out is if you come up and give a hot pee test. and thats gotta be coke or amps. and if thats how you are getting kicked off MMT then it doesnt sound like you were to serious bout treating your addiction anyways. another way to get kicked off the clinic i go to is for them to see you selling drugs in the parking lot, and if this is what you got caught doing then that just plan stupid.

why dont you tell us what you are getting kicked out of MMT for, cause it sounds to me like its your own fault

Oh and you aint in the states then where are you from so i can move this to the appropriate forum.
 
iam moving this over to European drugs discussion after googling Labour's plan and seeing this has nothing to do with the states.
 
shake: the ultimate question (as I quoted above) is about Canada. i've already moved it from EADD to NASADD.
 
I think brain neurochemistry being irreparably changed is bullshit. I've come off heroin multiple times, and felt completely normal within a month.

The tough part is perhaps dealing with the fact that you may be psychologically irreparably changed :\.
 
shake: the ultimate question (as I quoted above) is about Canada. i've already moved it from EADD to NASADD.

10-4 that felix. i wasnt sure where it originated from i looked in the EADD and saw no re-direct there. then again it was 4:30am and perhaps i missed it.
 
In the states if you can find a doctor to prescribe methadone, only costs about $50 for a months supply at 90 mgs/day. Plus you need to have an injury to justify the pain medicine. Otherwise in michigan I think the methadone clinic costs around $75 a week without insurance.
 
The only way to get kicked off in NYC, short of a felony IN the clinic, is to lose insurance and refuse to pay. Noone gets "kicked off" though there may be a privae clinic with such anal retentive nonsense. That said, the poster is not in the US so the point is moot.

Detox from methadone is not the here all/end all. In fact, though it is VERY long (8 to 12 days), it is VERY mild and nothing at all like morphine/heroin detox. "Cold Turkey" is quite doable though of course the mental aspect is by far the hardest.

A "detox," the usual regimen being 10 mgs decreased every 3 days, to 40 mgs, then 5mgs every 3 days to 5 mgs is a walk in the park physically.

On costs, as others have mentioned. I paid 310 US every month in 1995 so would imagine the most would be close to 500 nowadays. Granted, not cheap but a lot cheaper than a street habit.

In NYC it is simple to get the government to pay, everyone is approved if they say the right words, and many clinics accept with a pending letter, meaning you can get medicated the same day you apply at a clinic so nothing to fear there.
 
StraightDope: Neurochemistry DOES change but only if the user became a regularly using opiate/opioid addict prior to brain maturation, the average age for that being 24. So, if the user became a heavily using addict before age 24 they most likely have problems with their endogenous systems, in receptor function, and a few other goodies.
 
It is NOT my fault I'm getting kicked off of my MMT here in the UK. The previous labour government have introduced an abstinency program so that because I've been clean of other drugs, a tribunal will force me to detox.

My comment about changes in neurochemistry came from research Ramchim pointed me to a long while ago. Not only this, but it is based on my personal experience. I explained this in my post - I get lethargic etc. and cannot function. As for the person who said they don't want me in their country, well have you ever heard of NIMBYism? I am Canadian and I have a right to live in Canada. I might not have a right to healthcare, so I would like to find put whether I can transfer my care over to Canada. I wouldn't be going over to Canada just to be a drain on the sytem. I want to work and be a productive member of society. My anxieties about getting kicked off mmt are that I won't be able to be this productive member of society I seek to be.

I did abuse opiates from age 18-25 (I'm 25 now)!!

I would be greatful if people could read my questions carefully. I am considering moving to Canada (rather than the US). Thank you in advance guys :)
 
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StraightDope: Neurochemistry DOES change but only if the user became a regularly using opiate/opioid addict prior to brain maturation, the average age for that being 24. So, if the user became a heavily using addict before age 24 they most likely have problems with their endogenous systems, in receptor function, and a few other goodies.

I'd like you to quote this from a reliable website if you don't mind. I'm not totally doubting you on this I just wanna know for sure.

I never really had a serious habit until I was about 20/21, and my stretches of every day binging never went past 3 months or so before detox. I'm just kinda curious on this... I feel pretty normal and, if I'm in a period where I'm going out and leading an active lifestyle physically and otherwise I can honestly say I can feel great. I am currently 100% opiate and withdrawl free at the moment.
 
My first opiate cycle began when I was 18 after having been expelled from a very selective high school, and during that next 2 years I used from twice or thrice a week for a few weeks to every day for two or three months, with breaks of no longer than two weeks, usually due to lack of funds.

I'm 21 now and am in what I see as my second cycle of use. I went for almost eight months with only sporadic doses, never binges, no tolerance build-up or withdrawals. The second cycle started, in this part, because even after eight months, I still remembered it only fondly; and I craved it, not so much in the fiendy junkie-craving fashion, more just seeing opiates as a wonderful snake potion for boredom and lethargy (read: laziness), as well as the PERFECT social lubricant in low doses and the PERFECT relaxation tool in more indulgent doses. It had stuck with me like that after so long, after building a life filled with people who did not share or endorse my kind of behavior.

And now, it feels different than it did before. Even when I had just started again, those first few lines of the night always felt like they were putting me back at normal again. And it's true. When I started again, a brain fog lifted that I didn't even know had settled.

It's only anecdotal, but my experience favors brain alterations from heavy use/addiction in early adulthood.
 
My anxieties about getting kicked off mmt are that I won't be able to be this productive member of society I seek to be.
Wow you mean the UK government is doing something good ,(IMO) for a change? Maybe you should look at it in a different way instead of it being a bad thing. Seriously, I think you're working yourself up into a frenzy. PAWS does not last forever- t just takes longer for some. Good luck whichever you decide. Sorry, I cant answer any questions about Canada.
 
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