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Misc GBL questions

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hotelyorba

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Anyone who has dealt with benzos tried GHB or GBL?

I am trying to avoid drugs that work on Gaba-A receptors. I was wondering what peoples experiences were with GBL and GHB...specifically anybody who has been trough benzo withdrawal? It apparently works on Gaba-B.
 
GHB/GBL questions

So I'm looking to try GBL or GHB at some point but I have a couple questions that I was hoping somebody on here would be able to answer:

1) From all of my research, it appears that GBL/GHB work on Gaba-B...I have read nothing about it working on Gaba-A. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
I was addicted to benzos in the past so I want to avoid anything that works on Gaba-A...does anybody have information as to why it might not be good for an ex-benzo addict to mess around with GBL or GHB? I was put on benzos by a doctor for legitimate anxiety--I did not "seek" the high from benzos, so I am not too worried about seeking the high from GBL/GHB.

2) What are your experiences with the "dopamine rebound"--or as others have stated, a rebound of glutamine. Is the anxiety really that crippling? Or is it more of a state where you cannot fall back asleep? I do not want to wake up after two hours of sleeping on G and be in a full blown panic attack.
How long does it last typically?

3) It is said that GHB is a "stimulant" in low doses...so does that mean it stimulates you like adderall or coke would? Does it increase your heart rate, blood pressure ect? Or does "stimulant" mean you just feel energetic and happy.


I hope this is in the right category on the forum. Thanks in advance!
 
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hotelyorba said:
So I'm looking to try GBL or GHB at some point but I have a couple questions that I was hoping somebody on here would be able to answer:

1) From all of my research, it appears that GBL/GHB work on Gaba-B...I have read nothing about it working on Gaba-A. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
I was addicted to benzos in the past so I want to avoid anything that works on Gaba-A...does anybody have information as to why it might not be good for an ex-benzo addict to mess around with GBL or GHB? I was put on benzos by a doctor for legitimate anxiety--I did not "seek" the high from benzos, so I am not too worried about seeking the high from GBL/GHB.

2) What are your experiences with the "dopamine rebound"--or as others have stated, a rebound of glutamine. Is the anxiety really that crippling? Or is it more of a state where you cannot fall back asleep? I do not want to wake up after two hours of sleeping on G and be in a full blown panic attack.
How long does it last typically?

3) It is said that GHB is a "stimulant" in low doses...so does that mean it stimulates you like adderall or coke would? Does it increase your heart rate, blood pressure ect? Or does "stimulant" mean you just feel energetic and happy.


I hope this is in the right category on the forum. Thanks in advance!
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Hi there, and welcome! GHB is an awesome drug if used responsibly. As for your questions, this is just a quick reply for now as I am tied up at the moment but will edit my post later if need be.

#1: Correct about it only affecting the GABA-B Receptor. It does not TOUCH the GABA-A receptor at all. I was addicted to benzos in the past and am tapering now again, and I also have a lot of experience with GHB/GBL addiction, and GBL withdrawal is crippling fucking terrible for a few days, GHB withdrawals are not near as bad, but can still be BAD if abused too much.

#2: Dopamine rebound can be bad if you do not allow time for it to clear up, I mean the anxiety from it, and increased heart rate can be pretty scary if you are dosing constantly every 4 hours or so. It is also more of a state where you cannot fall back asleep. But if you use G responsibly, you will not wake up and be in a full blown panic attack. Just try to keep your doses to 2 doses per day MAX for 2-3 days, and then allow for a break of at least 3 days or so, and then reuse as stated previously.

How long does dopamine rebound last? Well, that depends on how long you've dosing continuously and not allowed for any "clearance" time in between doses. But typically longest its lasted for me is probably about 24-48 hours. But I was into G pretty HARD before, and have learned my lesson in being careful with Benzo addiction and GHB addiction. Although Benzo withdrawals are worse and last much longer than G withdrawals IMO.

#3) GHB is a kind of a "stimulant" in terms of in low-medium doses it gives you energy at first, mood lifts, euphoria, music sounding better in medium-higher doses and then in higher doses, put you to sleep of course. But GHB does NOT increase your heart rate at all, it actually can cause 'bradycardia' in some people, and it does lower blood pressure a bit, but not by much, unless taken in very high doses.

I hope this helped a bit, I will try and explain more when I have time. Cheers, GHB is probably close to my first or second favourite drug, tied with Hydromorphone.
 
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GHB is my all time DOC. I will choose it over MDMA, heroin or meth.

I'm currently in dopamine rebound myself.

hotelyorba said:
So I'm looking to try GBL or GHB at some point but I have a couple questions that I was hoping somebody on here would be able to answer:

1) From all of my research, it appears that GBL/GHB work on Gaba-B...I have read nothing about it working on Gaba-A. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
I was addicted to benzos in the past so I want to avoid anything that works on Gaba-A...does anybody have information as to why it might not be good for an ex-benzo addict to mess around with GBL or GHB? I was put on benzos by a doctor for legitimate anxiety--I did not "seek" the high from benzos, so I am not too worried about seeking the high from GBL/GHB.
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GHB is a GABA-B receptor agonist and GHB receptor agonist. It does not target the GABA-A.

You're still in the danger zone. It still replaces GABA over time, which can put you in the same ball park as benzo withdrawal. Except GHB withdrawal can kill you. However it takes many months of compulsive 24-7 dosing with escalating doseages.

GHB withdrawals differ in that they will put you in Delirium tremens. As an Ex-addict to both benzos and GHB, I can say the withdrawals off GHB are the most intense feeling of uneasiness and pain I've ever experienced coming off a drug.

Due to GHB's short half life. It is EXTREMELY addicting. Especially to someone partial to GABA type drugs. I'd say if you have not tried GHB yet, not to do it. It is probably the most euphoric GABA drug there is and has been called "GABA-heroin" by people.

hotelyorba said:
2) What are your experiences with the "dopamine rebound"--or as others have stated, a rebound of glutamine. Is the anxiety really that crippling? Or is it more of a state where you cannot fall back asleep? I do not want to wake up after two hours of sleeping on G and be in a full blown panic attack.
How long does it last typically?
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At higher doses GHB switches from a Dopamine inhibitor to a releaser. The longer you're redosing the inhibitor side, the worse off the anxiety will be during the rebound. A single dose twice a day should not cause panic.

Anxiety from the rebound is a mixture of your brain's deficiency in GABA(Brakes) and a rise in glutamate and dopamine(Speed up) therefore causing a perfect cocktail for anxiety if you are high long enough to drop natural GABA production.

hotelyorba said:
3) It is said that GHB is a "stimulant" in low doses...so does that mean it stimulates you like adderall or coke would? Does it increase your heart rate, blood pressure ect? Or does "stimulant" mean you just feel energetic and happy.


I hope this is in the right category on the forum. Thanks in advance!
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GHB is a two sided coin.
Yes, low doses are very much like speed, however you can still feel a slight side of the depressant end of the drug.

What I have to say.
My best advice to you is to use GHB for special occasions(Once a week or so).

Something you do not come across easily is that the GHB receptor is what makes GHB what it is. The GHB receptor is not really understood by science, but has such a broad impact on the brain. It stimulates GH release 16 fold and is believed to also release oxytocin, which indirectly labels GHB as an entactogen. HOWEVER, the receptor can get down regulated, which will result in a "loss of magic" many users feel after using it every day or 24-7 dosing(addiction).
 
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Renz Envy said:
GHB is my all time DOC. I will choose it over MDMA, heroin or meth.

I'm currently in dopamine rebound myself.



GHB is a GABA-B receptor agonist and GHB receptor agonist. It does not target the GABA-A.

You're still in the danger zone. It still replaces GABA over time, which can put you in the same ball park as benzo withdrawal. Except GHB withdrawal can kill you. However it takes many months of compulsive 24-7 dosing with escalating doseages.

GHB withdrawals differ in that they will put you in Delirium tremens. As an Ex-addict to both benzos and GHB, I can say the withdrawals off GHB are the most intense feeling of uneasiness and pain I've ever experienced coming off a drug.

Due to GHB's short half life. It is EXTREMELY addicting. Especially to someone partial to GABA type drugs. I'd say if you have not tried GHB yet, not to do it. It is probably the most euphoric GABA drug there is and has been called "GABA-heroin" by people.



At higher doses GHB switches from a Dopamine inhibitor to a releaser. The longer you're redosing the inhibitor side, the worse off the anxiety will be during the rebound. A single dose twice a day should not cause panic.

Anxiety from the rebound is a mixture of your brain's deficiency in GABA(Brakes) and a rise in glutamate and dopamine(Speed up) therefore causing a perfect cocktail for anxiety if you are high long enough to drop natural GABA production.



GHB is a two sided coin.
Yes, low doses are very much like speed, however you can still feel a slight side of the depressant end of the drug.
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But in low doses, GHB does not increase your heart rate or blood pressure at all like speed does, and I wouldn't say its like amphetamines at all.
 
Supeudol said:
But in low doses, GHB does not increase your heart rate or blood pressure at all like speed does, and I wouldn't say its like amphetamines at all.
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Ok.
I meant the mental effect.
But I don't know what proof you have of that. For all you know a single low dose could cause a slight increase in BP/HR. Also, NaGHB should raise blood pressure just from its high sodium content.
 
Erowid is not the greatest source I know, but I have some a shitload of other sources bookmarked stating that GHB does infact 'decrease' your heart rate slightly, and can cause bradycardia in some people. I just have to find them on here, I think there might be one on pubmed about the bradycardia as well.

But yes, it does depend on individual chemistry as well. The sodium in NaGHB can infact increase your blood pressure for sure, but not after one single dose, thats highly unlikely to cause any hypertension, because as GHB activates the GABA-B Receptor, and the GHB Receptor, your blood pressure/HR will slightly decrease.
 
Hey guys thanks for the detailed replies! I'm learning a lot. Renz Envy and Supeudol--you guys both said you were addicted to benzos in the past. How long were you on them? Do you notice any long lasting effects from having been addicted to them? I was on ambien (per doctor for about a year) and then switched to Klon for almost a year counting my taper. I have been off benzos for 2 years, but having been on them from age 16-18 I sometimes feel like my brain really got f*cked because it was in its prime stages of development. I sometimes think I'm never going to return to the way I was before them. I try to stay healthy by not drinking alcohol--which hits the same receptors as benzos. Do either of you guys consume alcohol? It sucks though...I am in college and in desperate need of something that I can use responsibly on the weekend to go out with friends and have a good time. GBL/GHB seems to be the answer to my prayers.
 
GHB in high doses definitely decreases blood pressure, heart rate and temperature,

but during the rebound it flips.
The rebound is from GHB's metabolism coming to a near finish and the stimulant side of the drug is expressing itself as you now have a "low dose" of the drug in your system.

I'm going to take my BP/HR, then take .5g of GHB and see if it increases. I bet it will.

hotelyorba said:
Hey guys thanks for the detailed replies! I'm learning a lot. Renz Envy and Supeudol--you guys both said you were addicted to benzos in the past. How long were you on them? Do you notice any long lasting effects from having been addicted to them? I was on ambien (per doctor for about a year) and then switched to Klon for almost a year counting my taper. I have been off benzos for 2 years, but having been on them from age 16-18 I sometimes feel like my brain really got f*cked because it was in its prime stages of development. I sometimes think I'm never going to return to the way I was before them. I try to stay healthy by not drinking alcohol--which hits the same receptors as benzos. Do either of you guys consume alcohol? It sucks though...I am in college and in desperate need of something that I can use responsibly on the weekend to go out with friends and have a good time. GBL/GHB seems to be the answer to my prayers.
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I still take klonopin daily, but it does nothing. I don't really have anxiety anymore and I'm coming off it. It's just unpleasant to cold turkey it. I still carry it for stimulants.

I consume all GABAergics. GHB is a healthy alternative to alcohol, but the social stigma behind it will make your college social life a fuck ton more difficult, I promise you.

Also, don't use GBL. It's not that hard to convert it to GHB. A baby could do it.
 
I was addicted to Benzodiazepines for 9 years, and still am tapering my Diazepam right now, but only have been tapering for 1 month now, because I can't come off these fuckers cold turkey anymore, I really fucked my GABA Receptors up. Both my GABA-A, and GABA-B, but my GABA-B is a lot more healed than my GABA-A receptor is. I've dumped so much Phenazepam on me in the past, fuck. Anyways, When I take my benzos, they do nothing now. Unless I substitute and take a large dose of Etizolam or Alprazolam.

At least with GABA-B, In my experience, I've never really lost my memory on GHB, only once I think when I consumed WAY too much in a 30 min period. Probably around 7-8g in 30 mins, and woke up 3 hours later and puked all over.

Renz Envy, your blood pressure is already going to be high, because you are in dopamine rebound right now you just said. So .5g isn't going to decrease your BP that much at all. Try like 1-1.5g, and that is usually the 'slight' stimulating dosage. At least for me, and I'm a pretty small guy. About 5'10, 170 pounds.
 
phenibut also hits gaba B receptors and is quite potent for being legal and easily obtainable..

what do you want to use these drugs for, anxiety or recreational effects?
 
I've been addicted to benzodiazepines (actually, I still am, I'm just maintained on a low dose of clonazepam..), and a friend of mine hooked me up with a pretty good supply of GBL about two years ago. I dosed around the clock for about five days straight and had a lot of fun, and luckily didn't develop a dependency as from what I know, GHB/GBL is very hard to detox from. GHB does attach to GABA B, but also to GHB receptors, so it's a difficult situation to get in if you become hooked.

If you have had issues of physical and psychological Dependance with benzodiazepines and other GABA A drugs, than I would probably avoid GBL/GHB as well. I mean, sure, it hits different receptors, but in the end, they are just as addictive, and detoxing is going to be more difficult as there aren't as many options as there are when dealing with Alchohol and benzodiazepine withdrawal. Also, GBL is a very short acting drug, which would make (from what I hear, and imagine) tapering very difficult. The effects are similar to Alchohol, but cleaner and more euphoric IMO. Plus, in the begining, before dependency, when you come down from GBL, you et what is called the 'Rebound Effect' which is a period of euphoric stimulation, which feels similar to popping an Adderall. So it's pretty damn addictive from my experience, and this isn't the kind of drug I usually even go for.
 
Please don't start two threads regarding the same substance(s), asking the same questions (or, multiple questions that could all be asked in one thread). You can change your original thread by pressing the edit button on the bottom right hand corner of your post.
 
i've personally found GBL to be a lot more addictive and compulsive than benzodiazepines, mainly because the latter lose all their recreational properties rather fast for me.
last year i went through a phase where i abused GBL with reckless abandon. after three months of 24/7 use, i dropped the last of my GBL on the kitchen floor and thus went into cold turkey withdrawal really fast. at first i thought i could tough it out with some liquor and baclofen but once it really hit me (no more than 8-12 hours after the last dose) i soon realized what a grave miscalculation that had been. the three or four days it took for some new GBL to arrive were the longest of my life, and by far the worst withdrawal i ever experienced. it would probably have been possible if i'd have had tons and tons of baclofen available, but since i had so little it was utter lovecraftian horror. i cannot overstate how hard it is to withdraw from this drug after an extended habit.
 
^ GBL Withdrawals are far far worse than if you just convert it PROPERLY to GHB, especially NaGHB Powder.
Lots tend to disagree with this, but I have experienced both, on/off for a good 4-5 years. I still find the rebound effect, and the withdrawals of GBL to me much more intense than those of NaGHB Powder, this could also be because GBL has a much faster onset, and doesn't last as long either.
 
i agree with this, although k-ghb seems to be easier on the body than na-ghb.
in any case, GBL withdrawals are hellish. avoid at all cost.
 
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