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muzby

muzby

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kay..
i think we all know wot the topic of this post is about...
basically i wanna get opinions of everyone on wot they think of the sentencing and the crimes themselves...
me personally, i think that this sentence is just rewards for this crime!!!
55 years?? i'm sorry, but what "mr x" did to these girls will take longer than 55 years to erase from their memories.
it's about time that punishments for crimes were a bit harsher, would be a great deterrent for a lot of would be criminals....
meh, i know this probably belongs in current events, but i wanted local ppls thoughts on this, and i just wanted to rant..
 
As someone pointed out at work today, do you really think he'll have to serve the 55 years. What's the bet he'll be out within 15 years.
 
An aggregate of 55 years with a non parole period of 40 for 3 separate rape cases. That crudely works out at 13 servable years per individual case.
Broken down like that, the severity of the sentence seems perfectly reasonable to me, esp. given the fact that he showed absolutely no contrition and was deemed highly likely to reoffend.
 
It's a shame that their ethnicity has been brought into the focus. What effect does saying a Lebanese gang of youths have compared to simply saying a gang of youths, besides further engraving a racist attitude in the community. They're Australian citizens aren't they?
As for the sentence, I'm not a judge, and I wasn't in the court room - so I have no idea if the sentence was justified or not.
[ 16 August 2002: Message edited by: Pleonastic ]
 
In their country wouldnt they of recieved the death penalty for their crimes ie in lebabnon?? I heard they would of got stoned to death for comiting such crimes. a rather nasty way to go.
Thats probably why its happening all the time. hey lets rape some aussie girl we'll only get a year or two max in prision.
death is permanent. Im not for the death penalty but I think a life sentance (life meaning life) is sufficient and sends a very clear message out.
 
ive been waiting for this thread...
how long will it be before they are able for parole? anyone know how many yaers they gotta do before they can get it? their ethnic background i agree has nothing to do wioth this BUT 55YEARS!!! i mean...come on...they will be out for parole in waht maybe ten years? :(
in one case on the news i heard they hosed a girl down with a fire hose between these guys raping her...to keep her CLEAN!! what?...is this spose to ease their minds...oh if shes clean i feel better...FUCK OFF! how much more disgusting and worse does the world have to get before something is done...
55years is NOTHING for what these men did more than once...they should get more than life with NO PAROLE!!!i agree with sydkiwi...but they are in australia so get the same treatment we do...but i am for LIFE!!! and i mean LIFE!
*once again our system i feel is not doing the best it can do* :(
[ 16 August 2002: Message edited by: *starfalls69* ]
 
Originally posted by Pleonastic:
It's a shame that their ethnicity has been brought into the focus. What effect does saying a Lebanese gang of youths have compared to simply saying a gang of youths, besides further engraving a racist attitude in the community. They're Australian citizens aren't they?

I think ethnicity was brought into the debate because the attacks were in part racially motivated, and racial slurs were used by the attackers during their violation of these poor women.
It's really an unfortunate and delicate situation, because even though there appears to have been a racial element to the crimes, the few who commited them in no way represent the vast majority of Australians of lebanese muslim descent.
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hear hear to RobertRollie on that one!
not only that but solitary confinement wouldnt go astray either, whats worse torture than them having to sit there on their own with nothing but their own thoughts to keep them company for the rest of their lives. the girls they violated will have thoughts of them all their lives, the rapists should be made to go crazy with their own thoughts.
No doubt they are going to know what it feels like to be raped, when they go to jail.
Andromeda :)
 
I think this is a good day for justice. Anyone, whatever their background, who commits this sort of heinous crime deserves to get locked up for a long, long time.
I think violent crime has got so bad that there is no other option except to take these people out of society althogether. Rehabilitation doesnt seem to work on them.
 
Yeah what Macksta said.... I dont find it too flattering to hear of my fellow australians of whatever colour or creed being called "aussie pigs".
You do the crime u know what u are risking..
Just watched Conair... even cyrus the virus sees rapists as the scum of the earth..
peace.
PS just remember in prison they end up being the bitch :P
 
Originally posted by Macksta:
I think ethnicity was brought into the debate because the attacks were in part racially motivated, and racial slurs were used by the attackers during their violation of these poor women.That's a very good point, and raises some interesting questions. It's not fair that the Lebanese community be tainted because of what these individuals did, but at the same time is it equally unfair that it was only white European women that were attacked in the first place? Is that not equally racist?
So where do you draw the line? Did these people by acting in a racist manner against Australians, void their right to be treated as an Australian citizen themself? And how does something like that be punished without affecting the innocent members of their ethnic community? These rapists weren't official representatives of the Lebanese people, but because of the way the story has been presented in the media the Lebanese community may suffer.
However it's a double edged sword. These problems wouldn't exist if there were no communities to begin with - if everyone in Australia was part of the Australian community. But of course that's too utopian, and in reality everyone has ties to their background and birds of a feather will flock together. If only people in these communities wouldn't hate each other - but unfortunatly that's a utopian concept too...
I wish I had answers to these questions. I'm basically thinking out loud as I type - if the answers were simple then they'd probably be happening already...
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race issues schmace issues!
the point is this sick fucker stole the liberty off these women. no doubt these poor girls will be scarred FOR LIFE, I for one am for the stoning penalt and would happily line up with a big fucking yonnie in my hand to deal justice to this perverted prick. however i do feel sorry for his family having to deal with the shame of knowing that someone of their blood is a perverted mother fucker and deserves DEATH
i dont apolagise for my opinion on this matter and if i offend you with my want of justice then too bad. i feel there is no worse crime than this along with paedophelia.
this crime is very appalling to me and a very dear friend of mine has had to deal with being raped and does not want to come forward to bring the son of a bitch to justice which will dredge up all the old curses.
HUMAN BEINGS people!!! i feel so bad that we are all the same yet race has to be brought into these sort of things. no difference in the end!
its late, now i'm angry and i hope this basstarrd gets hurt in long bay or wherever he ends up!
[ 16 August 2002: Message edited by: discurio ]
 
I think it was in the Herald Sun Yesturday that he has to serve at least 40 years. All these people saying that the punishment was too long, well I would hate to hear what they were saying if it was their daughter who was gang raped and as for the family of Mr X, imagine it was a bunch of Aussie males who gang raped his mother... they would be after blood...
 
Originally posted by sydkiwi:
In their country wouldnt they of recieved the death penalty for their crimes ie in lebabnon??
'their country' is Australia. Were the men convicted actually migrants? 'ethnicity' can mean many things.
There are some terribly good reasons why we no longer invoke either corporal punishment or the death penalty in Australia. These sort of crimes chill me to the bone, but i would gain no satisfaction by exacting bloody retribution from the perpetrators. What they did was horrific, and yet, to wish a simillar fate upon them would be equally so.
I feel that for once, the punishment was appropriate. The legal precedent this conviction sets is also heartening. It may hopefully lead to a decrease in repeat offences, as serial rapists are now put behind bars for more extended periods of time.
Pleonastic: doesn't sound much like a utopia to me... if it dismissed all of the positive aspects of multifaceted communities. How many times in the past have differing social/cutural ideas synthesised to form something beneficial to all parties concerned?
eh, sorry, guilty of thinking out loud as well. that's all a little simplistic... i'm gonna go sleep and come back to this thread.
*falls unconcious to the keboard*
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One issue raised from the severity of the sentence...
You can get less for murder.
Therefore, if they actually commit this rape, then it might be more beneficial for them to kill the girl so she doesn't tell anyone. This is quite worrying, tough tough subject. But i guess they're not really thinking straight
at the time, they think they're above the law.
As far as the race issue goes, it's pretty touchy. I don't find anything wrong with labelling them as lebanese as long as they are lebanese, not like the previous event of the media incorrectly labelling them as muslims which upset the smaller community.
As horrible as it is, it is seeming to be more prevalent amongst a group of lebanese men to harrass a woman. The key issue here is the GROUP. I think thats the main difference is that this is GANG rape, doin it for the team, brothers in arms, aussie slags type of thing. Its not just a single instance of rape.
This is GANG rape - 14 guys each had sex with these girls, could you imagine the trauma involved? For fucks sake, its disgusting.
MY point is, the media can change the whole way a story is portrayed by stressing or omitting certain angles, and i don't think that the Lebanese angle has been partciularly emphasised. But, i may get flamed for this, but IMO it is more common for a GROUP of australian lebanese men to sexually harrass a woman than that of other cultures.
It's a very gang mentality based thing, which is the problem. Even the communities themselves have acknowledged a problem with several of the young men, a profound lack of respect for people in general.
But saying this, i am definitely not trying to stereotype the whole group, just as a general observation in a few of them.
Adikkal
[ 17 August 2002: Message edited by: Adikkal ]
 
Originally posted by Adikkal:
One issue raised from the severity of the sentence...
You can get less for murder.
Therefore, if they actually commit this rape, then it might be more beneficial for them to kill the girl so she doesn't tell anyone. This is quite worrying, tough tough subject. But i guess they're not really thinking straight
at the time, they think they're above the law.

Good point, although in this case it was a triple rape. I doubt a triple murderer would get anything less than life with no possibility of parole. So proportionality is still more or less maintained.
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Was this the case where the guys said that they believed it was their right to rape girls (due to their belief system)?
If so, then ethnicity has everything to do with it. If the ethnic background they've been brought up in somehow teaches them it's ok to do this, then why shouldn't it be scrutinised?
 
Bluelight : Plumbing the depths of prejudice and sensationalism since Year Zero.
Okay so rape is probably one of the crimes with the lowest rehabilitation rate, this means that you're essentially looking at keeping the offender away from the rest of society so that they cannot have the opportunity to re-offend. It isn't really an issue of punishment IMHO, nor should it be. Its just about keeping society safe.
Ethnicity is only a rallying call for every racist assfucker around, who'll (like you see among yourselves) bring 'the punishment they'd face in their own country into it. This IS their country now, their country of origin doesn't matter two shits.
Basically if you're not a lawyer, shut the fuck up, because as in so many other issues, its the fact that you (being the general public) don't know fuck about the problems, and refuse to educate yourselves (again, talking majority here) and then go screaming for blood over things you don't know about. This wouldn't be a problem, except for the fact that we live in a democracy, so theoretically your stupid opinions count.
The crime is horrendous, the sentence severe. Research the legal system before you comment about parole etc.
-plaz out-
[ 17 August 2002: Message edited by: plazma ]
 
I have a suggestion.
Let us release these foul sons of bitches back into society, but not before doing three things:
Laser folicle removal so they are permanently bald,
Giving police a dispensation to shoot them on sight if they are ever seen wearing any sort of head-gear,
Tattooing, across their forehead and the back of their head, "GANG RAPIST" in large black letters.
Let's see how long they last in the real world.
Wire.
 
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