French Elections Called: LePen vs Macron

[Durzo1258]

What are my alternatives ? Wasting my vote on some middle ground party that has no chance of winning ? And yes a lot of people thought the same way and this is why it's the way it is.
Unless I'm missing something in which case by all means enlighten me.

And to avoid confusion I'm not french or live in france.

 

[CFC]

I don't agree with a lot of what far right represents. But currently it seems to be a lesser evil.

You don't need a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. Isolated examples of terrorism, while disturbing, are hardly an indication that the whole of Sweden needs to be invaded by another country and its democratic system be trashed, and that fascism should sweep across Europe. Last time that happened, tens of millions were killed.

 

[Durzo1258]

Isolated is what UK or Germany has. Sweden is way past that and it's not just the terrorism, it's the rapes, the murders, the no go zones, the cover up by the police, it's a sky high pile of shit that needs to be dealt with.
And yes I don't need a sledgehammer, but is seems that left got people so desperate than they decided they do. Otherwise they wouldn't vote this way.

Also far right =/= fascism contrary to the narrative. No one is calling for re opening of the concentrations camps (yet). We don't need fascism, we need governments that will accept that multiculturalism failed, and so did the attempt at unconditional tolerance. And again it's not like we should lock Europe borders down, but letting in millions upon millions of people who's couture and believes are incompatible with western ones is going to cause problems.

 

[CFC]

All this left-right crap. Stop looking at things through a narrow pair of binoculars. If you want to change things, you work with people with all sorts of opinions and you convince them using logic, facts and persuasion, you don't just insult them all or say their country is ruined. I visited Sweden in November and had a wonderful time and the people there seem quite happy and content. As they may well do, seeing as they have a nice country with great public services and lots of money.

Which is of course why immigrants are desperate to go there. And yes, they have some major problems with integration that need to be dealt with, and with the spirit of their laws being twisted sometimes. In time I'm sure they'll find a way to fix things. No matter how thick you may think they are, they don't actually want a country full of rape, pillage and terrorism, and they probably share 95% of the same value you do.

 

[Durzo1258]

All this left-right crap. Stop looking at things through a narrow pair of binoculars. If you want to change things, you work with people with all sorts of opinions and you convince them using logic, facts and persuasion, you don't just insult them all or say their country is ruined. I

And the left labelling people who don't agree with them as bigots, fascists, racists, sexist or .......phobic is convincing them to use logic ? This is facts and persuasion ?
Sweden currently hold a #1 rank for rape in Europe by a mile. And time and time again I see the news on who's responsible. I don't see any of those problems in the countries that knew better than to accept endless stream of refugees. Emotions and feeling don't matter here. Statistics do.

Terrorism and general crime as a result of reckless immigration is a great motivator for right wing extremism

Cause and effect. Left opens up the immigration floodgates, the right uses the opportunity.

 

[alasdairm]

And the left labelling people who don't agree with them as bigots, fascists, racists, sexist or...

i agree it's sad when (both sides) overuse terms to the point that they become meaningless.

when the (now) president of the u.s. brags that he can do what he wants to women - including "grab them by the pussy" - because of who he is, i'm not labeling him unfairly. that's just sexist crap.

there's a somewhat frequent contributor to ce&p who's said publicly that all black people make him uncomfortable. i'm not labeling him unfairly - he is simply racist.

maybe, even though we disagree on politics and philosophy, we can agree to at least refer to each other civilly and leave the name-calling at the door?

alasdair

 

[Durzo1258]

maybe, even though we disagree on politics and philosophy, we can agree to at least refer to each other civilly and leave the name-calling at the door?

alasdair

I can work with that.

 

[consumer]

You don't need a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. Isolated examples of terrorism, while disturbing, are hardly an indication that the whole of Sweden needs to be invaded by another country and its democratic system be trashed, and that fascism should sweep across Europe. Last time that happened, tens of millions were killed.

I love the solutions that this guy, ryan and what23 offer... total fascism and an end to democracy. Sounds awesome. If that happened then the terrorists win.

 

[spacejunk]

White supremacists are terrorists.
There is literally no difference. Same shit, different blindfold.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

This. Also maybe dump the "Trump sucks" and "fuck Trump" and stick with policy criticism. It isn't like there is a shortage of actual issues to be critical of. :/

i agree it's sad when (both sides) overuse terms to the point that they become meaningless.

when the (now) president of the u.s. brags that he can do what he wants to women - including "grab them by the pussy" - because of who he is, i'm not labeling him unfairly. that's just sexist crap.

there's a somewhat frequent contributor to ce&p who's said publicly that all black people make him uncomfortable. i'm not labeling him unfairly - he is simply racist.

maybe, even though we disagree on politics and philosophy, we can agree to at least refer to each other civilly and leave the name-calling at the door?

alasdair

 

[consumer]

So, when the KGB kidnapped a hezbollah leader's relative, cut his dick and balls off, then sent them to him, then blew his brains out, which resulted in the immediate release of Soviet hostages...that was a loss for the KGB?

You always try and deflect criticism of your neo nazi ideals with non sequiturs like that. The more you post the more your true colours have been revealed.

 

[consumer]

And by your logic you would have been happy if Hitler had won WW2

 

[Durzo1258]

White supremacists are terrorists.
There is literally no difference. Same shit, different blindfold.

So the second someone wants to end the relentless stream of refugees and crime that follow they're a white supremacists ? I haven't seen any requests here to purify our land or race. But I suppose it's easier this way, to call people names and label them, or say fuck this president or that candidate. Seems like a lot of left likes that way of political argumentation.

 

[consumer]

So the second someone wants to end the relentless stream of refugees and crime that follow they're a white supremacists ? I haven't seen any requests here to purify our land or race. But I suppose it's easier this way, to call people names and label them, or say fuck this president or that candidate. Seems like a lot of left likes that way of political argumentation.

You dont read Ryan's posts clearly then

 

[Durzo1258]

I do and while he gave one extreme example, I still don't see any white supremacy. It's not like he said we should put the existing refuges in the concentration camps. Some of them build by germans in ww2 are still there.

 

[consumer]

I do and while he gave one extreme example, I still don't see any white supremacy. It's not like he said we should put the existing refuges in the concentration camps. Some of them build by germans in ww2 are still there.

You have picked the wrong allie. Ryan IS a neo nazi. His views are those espoused by Hitler. La Pen's views are also based on Hitlers. Her fathers views came from the Vichey French that supported the Nazis. Fucking traitors.

 

[Durzo1258]

You have picked the wrong allie. Ryan IS a neo nazi. His views are those espoused by Hitler. La Pen's views are also based on Hitlers. Her fathers views came from the Vichey French that supported the Nazis. Fucking traitors.

I'm not here to make allies or foe's. I represent my views and mine alone.
That being said. If we're pointing fingers and shout traitors, maybe we should consider pointing said accusation at the politicians who cover up crimes of the refugees in the name of tolerance. They have a duty to their people, which they don't carry out.

 

[consumer]

Do you support Le Pen? Her party founded by Vichey French ie traitors and Nazi sympathizers. Do you empathize with Hitlers ideals like Ryan does? Asking for a friend

 

[Durzo1258]

Do you support Le Pen? Her party founded by Vichey French ie traitors and Nazi sympathizers. Do you empathize with Hitlers ideals like Ryan does? Asking for a friend

Yes I do support Le Pen despite not being french or living in france. No I don't sympathise with Hitlers ideals. I support Le Pen because she offers change, just like Trump did, it might be a terrifying change but a change nonetheless.

I'm not far off the centre when it comes to politics. That being said. The left in it's current form must be stopped. They went too far and won't / can't go back. If that means cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer so be it. Sometimes you have to run before you can walk.

 

[spacejunk]

Trump's really come through for his people, hasn't he?

Slash healthcare, trash environmental protection legislation and agencies, abolish arts funding - among many, many, other things, and boost military spending by $54 billion.

Nice change. What a guy.

Shits on the poor and steals from taxpayers while he plays golf.

When i say "fuck trump", i mean it. He's a conman, he's a pervert, he's a pimp - he's a crook.

It's not like he said we should put the existing refuges in the concentration camps. Some of them build by germans in ww2 are still there.

So, that's the yardstick of acceptable racism? He's not (explicitly) advocating genocide, so therefore is not a white supremacist?
How depressing.