Cocaine ??? Freebase preparation method ???

[tishalavon]

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QUESTION SUMMARY:

USE AMMONIA WITH HEAT??

USE AMMONIA WITH NO HEAT??

USE BICARB WITH HEAT??

USE BICARB WITH NO HEAT??


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I'VE READ THE METHOD USING AMMONIA AND NO HEAT...

I've never tried this; I use bicarb, water, coke, and heat in a spoon. Upon reading another post regarding the same method I use, I am now under the impression that my method should not include heat... ???

Questions for my current method:

Using .5 powder, how much water? (just enough to cover it in the spoon?) Does using too much water create an issue for collecting the finished product or its quality?? Bicarb should be .1 or .2 or less? (3:1 ratio??) The powder I have is fish scales, pure and gorgeous... I've gotten back from .5 powder almost everytime .5 of what looks like diamonds.. So, anyhow, with the pure powder should I use less or more bicarb?? What is the purpose of the bicarb...to ensure the powder doesn't disintegrate??
Questions to the post pertaining to the bicarb method:

I now am unsure if using heat is necessary or in fact, a completely inefficient method causing my powder to evaporate....

The post said, "....mixing the coke with small amount of water, then adding bicarbonate slowly until the coke starts to precipitate out of the water. Or the other junk before, if there exists such as lejunk mentions. With this method you can get the same results as with ammonia method...."

Will it precipitate without heat? Does heating waste it? On occasions I've noticed that it begins to smoke immediately, which I read the smoking is due to the powder evaporating.. Heck does the smoke mean my pure powder is simply disintegrating?? Is this because I did not add enough bicarb or too much?? Or was my mistake heating the mixture in the first place...??? And assuming not to use heat, how do you discard the precipitate coke from the water?? A coffee filter?? And if so, do I rinse it?? And how long should this process of the coke precipitating out of the water take?? Main concern --- ??...Not using heat will be beneficial for my finished product and it will look like diamonds...??

Questions if using heat is necessary or at least time efficient:

If you are supposed to use heat, is it better to use a torch on low or a candle flame -- My assumption is heating it slowly is smarter and may reduce the mixure from smoking?? Then after the liquid is clear and the bubbles have disappeared, is it best to put on ice? And if so, how long before you begin to collect it? Can you immediately add a drop of cold water to the tip of spoon to force the oil to the other end?? Is it smarter to let it cool without ice for several minutes before collecting?? What is best to collect it with a -- butter knife, penny, nail, paper clip... any other ideas??


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QUESTION SUMMARY:

USE AMMONIA WITH HEAT??

USE AMMONIA WITH NO HEAT??

USE BICARB WITH HEAT??

USE BICARB WITH NO HEAT??


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PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INCLUDE ANY BENEFICIAL INFORMATION TO IMPROVE MY CHEMISTRY!!

THANKS TO ANYONE WILLING TO EDUCATE ME.....


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[bunge]

Well thats alot of questions.lol if you using bicarb as your basing agent then the ammonia isnt really that usefull anyway. Ammonia to the best of my knowledge is used to 'wash' the final product to futher purify it but if your coke is that good in the first place then its use is pretty defunct. Besides this ammonia is a nasty chemical to use without proper fume hoods and protection (goggle, gloves etc). I actually thought ammonia was really only used with the ether (or is it diethyl ether...memorys failing me.lol) method of creating a pure freebase cocaine. Crack cocaine is a much safer method of creating a less pure freebase cocaine (regarding safety just ask richard pryor!). The bicarb converts the hcl cocaine into cocaine base aided by the adding of gentle heat as a catalyst to start the reaction. In organic chemistry the rule of thumb is to use gentle heat to start a reaction and cooling your mixture into a more stable format once that reaction is complete. I think your using too much heat if your getting smoke as bicarb has to be very hot to burn or smoke so I can only guess that whats smoking is the cocaine or something its cut with or something left over from its extraction and conversion to hcl. also the reaction can happen without heat but will take longer and without proper equipment it would be hard to judge how much product has reacted at any one time. You should however be able to use a bit les bicarb if your coke is quite pure, maybe only 2:1 instead of 3:1. Its hard for me to comment futher without watching you lab tech step by step.lol

 

[bunge]

I would add that a good method (one of the best ive seen anyway.lol) that collecting the precipitate is to cool a large sewing needle is ice while you perform the reaction and then use the eyed end to scoop and twist the prcipitate out of the solution.

 

[tishalavon]

Thank you.... When I drop my powder in water, I stir it briefly and obtain clear water sometimes a few tiny crystals are on the bottom. So it is definitely good stuff... But precisely: if I use 0.5 powder, should I use 0.1 bicarb? And exactly how much water? Less water is better? And so you are saying that the smoking is the powder and most likely from too high heat...?? And yes, my man talked me into using a torch and I knew in my mind my candle was better, but the torch didn't leave black smudges all over so I continued to use it on the lowest possible heat, but that still was too much.. (like cooking anything -- slower and low heat makes the food better..)

I've actually gotten back some diamond pieces.... I'm just most concerned about the exact measurements of water, bicarb, and powder... And I should slowly heat until the bubbles disappear and all I see is oil..?? Then put it on ice or just sit it to let it cool? Should I be patient and let it cool for 5 minutes or more?

 

[tishalavon]

I'll try the needle next time... I usually use a nail, but my man started using a butter knife and his pieces were usually bigger than mine, so I've kinda switched over to that... But a needle nest!

 

[Mass08]

I believe if you use the search function there is a big thead on preparing freebase

 

[tishalavon]

If I am absolutely sure that I cook out all of the bicarb, is that not actually considered FREEBASE? Crack contains baking soda and possibly still cut, correct? Curiously, what is the purpose of the soda... I read somewhere, I think that it bonds together with powder, but is that necessary? I thought it was solvent to prevent the salt from disintegrating.

 

[bunge]

I meant the other way around with the bicarb, I would use more bicarb then coke to ensure id reacted all the coke but I may that muddled, like I said bad memory.lol use a bit more water to stop the mixture from getting too hot too quickly, you wont dilute it too much if you keep it within reason as the crack will be alot less soluable then the hcl. To my knowledge the bicarb isnt whats smoking as you would incinerate the coke before the bicarb. Remember the heat is just to start and speed up the reaction not boil away the water, if you boil away the water then its too much heat. A torch just feels like overkill and the smudges you get from a candle is because wax doesnt burn clean so its a bad idea to use it for chemical reactions. Try a small camping stove (the kind with butane gas refill, gas in the king in chemistry.lol) turned to its lowest setting and you could even try applying the heat with the solution in a test tube and pour into a flat dish to cool and collect the product. The test tube would protect your solution from flame scorching the edges as I feel that maybe why its smoking from the start. Idk maybe im taking the tech too far, im more for the theory then the practise.lol

 

[tishalavon]

 

[tishalavon]

Right on... So 0.5 salt, 0.3 soda? And enough water to keep it from evaporating too quickly.....

 

[bunge]

To my knowledge the bicarb is used to create a base enviroment in your neutral solution as your coke is a hydrochloride salt and needs to be converted to a base. If your coke is that good then I wouldnt worry about bicarb not creating as pure a product unless of course your cooking for resale which I guess might change things.lol on reflection the ammonia would take the place of bicarb and prob react better but when cooking small amounts with basic equiptment I would personally lean away from using potentially dangerous chemicals like ammonia, ive seen the resulting injuries from a glass container exploding from gas pressure caused by heavily reacting ammonia. Not pretty at all.:-(

 

[bunge]

^^
Bingo!
(although ill add not to blame me if anything goes wrong, all my chemistry experience is with proper lab equipment and reagents.lol)
To be sure have a look through the search engine and check the info I gave you. all this is frim memory and I dont want you to waste expensive coke if I remember a detail on quantites wrong. The general lab tips I gave though are solid enough and please be careful if using ether or ammonia at any point, really cant stress that enough.