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Heroin Former Heroin Addicts Who Take Anti-Depressants?

I'd follow your friend and try the wellbutrin. It worked quite well for me in helping with PAWS. Basically wellbutrin is different than other anti-depressants in that it's a dopamine re-uptake inhibitor (as opposed to a serotonin RI). Dopamine is the chemical in your brain that lets you feel pleasure and enjoy things. And regular drug use can damage yours brains ability to produce it naturally (hence PAWS), so having more of it kickin' round your brain thru re-uptake inhibition would be a good thing. Unlike other times I had quit H and fell into deep depression, when I went on wellbutrin I actually felt quite good most of the time. I'd be careful with the Effexor though, I've heard horror stories about the w/d off it, even short term use.
 
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i remember when i had the same opinion. i thought ppl had the choice on how they wanted to feel when they woke up. now that i'm older i realize that it's not always a decision that a person is able to make. their are serious chemical imbalances in your brain that need to be addressed with medications. i don't know anyone that takes anti-depressants that takes them because they just want to take a medication for fun. they are not like xanax or other drugs. sometimes it takes weeks for the drugs to work. it's not like you can take 1 pill and 45 mins later feel not depressed.

I got a ton of posts I want to reply to, so I didn't read the posts below, but I'll respond to this since it's addressed to me.


Preist: Perhaps you did have that opinion and it changed, however, I currently still hold that opinion. I knew saying it that some people would not agree, and that's fine.

I would agree that some people do need anti-depressants, however, I still believe in the view point I post earlier.

Perhaps one day I will change my opinion, as we can all do in life. I will tell people how I feel about things, but ultimately it's up to the individual what they put in their body. So I may say that I think ssri's are bullshit, but I'm never going to rip on someone for taking them.

So all in all to each their own opinion, and as long as we can have open discussion without getting into flame wars then I think opposing opionions actually help the community as a whole.

So we will see if one day I follow in your steps and think differently, or maintain my viewpoint. And I do know how anti-depressants and neurochemistry works, and understand there are some people who have issues, for the record.
 
I'd follow your friend and try the wellbutrin. It worked quite well for me in helping with PAWS. Basically wellbutrin is different than other anti-depressants in that it's a dopamine re-uptake inhibitor (as opposed to a serotonin RI). Dopamine is the chemical in your brain that lets you feel pleasure and enjoy things. And regular drug use can damage yours brains ability to produce it naturally (hence PAWS), so having more of it kickin' round your brain thru re-uptake inhibition is be a good thing. Unlike other times I had quit H and fell into deep depression, when I went on wellbutrin I actually felt quite good most of the time. I'd be careful with the Effexor though, I've heard horror stories about the w/d off it, even short term use.

Yeah, for now I am definitely leaning towards Wellbutrin and will inquire about other meds mentioned in this thread. Thanks for sharing your experience - I was more looking for other people's personal experiences w/ anti-depressants as opposed to pros and cons of them. A valid topic for sure, but not much of an aid to me, perhaps to some other readers.
 

I got a ton of posts I want to reply to, so I didn't read the posts below, but I'll respond to this since it's addressed to me.


Preist: Perhaps you did have that opinion and it changed, however, I currently still hold that opinion. I knew saying it that some people would not agree, and that's fine.

I would agree that some people do need anti-depressants, however, I still believe in the view point I post earlier.

Perhaps one day I will change my opinion, as we can all do in life. I will tell people how I feel about things, but ultimately it's up to the individual what they put in their body. So I may say that I think ssri's are bullshit, but I'm never going to rip on someone for taking them.

So all in all to each their own opinion, and as long as we can have open discussion without getting into flame wars then I think opposing opionions actually help the community as a whole.

So we will see if one day I follow in your steps and think differently, or maintain my viewpoint. And I do know how anti-depressants and neurochemistry works, and understand there are some people who have issues, for the record.

i agree totally. i wasn't trying to flame you or say you are wrong. just that i once held the same opinion, but it has changed. now that i'm suffering from depression i can tell you it's not something i can just decide to change on my own. i have a chemical imbalance in my brain from years of opiate abuse. i wish it wasn't true. i was always a happy person and had a good outlook on life. i still do, just sometimes i don't want anything to do with anything at all.
 
I think you haven't gotten the responses your looking for because no ones into anti-depressents. I mean unless somones loaded on that shit, there not going to jump on here and be like "omg I love the feeling zoloft gives me everyday". I agree that there bull shit drugs to, I had paws for awhile and just dealt with it for a few months. It does go away..
 
I was on Wellbutrin and it had some pretty bad side effects for me. My doctor put me on it when I went in there for opiate withdrawals. My psychiatrist took me off it because it was giving me crazy anxiety and insomnia. I was on it less than a month. It'll defiantly give you energy. I felt cracked out all day on the stuff and I didn't like it at all. Maybe it'll work better for you but that's my experience with it.
 
I think you haven't gotten the responses your looking for because no ones into anti-depressents. I mean unless somones loaded on that shit, there not going to jump on here and be like "omg I love the feeling zoloft gives me everyday". I agree that there bull shit drugs to, I had paws for awhile and just dealt with it for a few months. It does go away..

i don't think the original poster wanted to know if anyuone used ant-depressants recreationally. i think he wanted to know if any long term heroin addicts find themselves being depressed after stopping and using anti-depressants to help them. you know?
 
i don't think the original poster wanted to know if anyuone used ant-depressants recreationally. i think he wanted to know if any long term heroin addicts find themselves being depressed after stopping and using anti-depressants to help them. you know?

It's a she ;)
But yes, you have it exactly right. hydrochron, please re-read my OP? Obviously there are a couple of us with the same question and a few with experiences. I'm not looking for an answer, per se, I am looking to hear other people's experiences and discussion. I think the thread's doing great!

Went to Psychiatrist #1 today. What a total scumbag. He made me feel like utter shit, and he was exactly the kind I was afraid of - pushing one kind of anti-depressant because he probably gets wined and dined by the drug rep. As soon as I walked in I noticed a Cymbalta note pad on his desk. Guess what anti-depressant he pushed on me? Yeah. When I asked politely the reason why he recommended Cymbalta, he told me "Why don't you do your own research? Seems like you know quite a bit about drugs anyway." What a fucking asshole. Sorry, I know it's a little off-topic but I had to unload somewhere.

Once again, any former or on-and-off heroin users with experiences with anti-depressants - please feel free to chime in and share!
 
Personally I think people just look for an excuse to not deal with life, be it an opiate or an anti depressant, and they want a reason to justify them feeling that way.

I sometimes feel people need to just buck up and deal with life, instead of looking for justifications. I did heroin, now I'm depressed so now I need this.

I understand this view may be harsh, and some of you won't agree with it, so I'm not going to get deep into it. However, I've done heroin for years, and I still maintain this viewpoint.

Just putting it out there....sorry for those who don't agree

I respect your opinion, but what about those who are forced to take anti-depressants against their own will and then become dependent? I was hospitalized for anorexia when I was only 12 and was given anti-depressants through the IV that they hooked me up to. After my release, I had no knowledge of pharmaceuticals. I just knew that my parents would get mad if I didn't take my paxil and it helped me stop crying all the time. It seemed to work for awhile, I was emotionally numb and socially pretty clueless, but I got by until I was 17 and all hell broke loose. I won't go into the details, but I realized that paxil was just making me stupid and indifferent to important events that could occur in my life. Even though I tapered I had really, really bad withdrawals (probably because I had been on it so long.) My pdoc's solution was to put me on wellbutrin which was a brilliant. I acted like I had borderline personality disorder and tried to kill myself numerous times. My parents eventually took me to a mental hospital and now I take an AD along with an amphetamine and benzo. It works except when it doesn't.
 
Effexor works well with depression although I strongly advise against using it at all because the withdrawl symptoms for it are way to intense and shitty and terrible and just dont go on effexor >_<

I think this is contradictory and just plain poor advice. Yes, withdrawal from this drug can cause poor side effects but for people in crisis or with genuine clinical depression, it can be incredibly effective and worthwhile.

Abrupt cessation from Effexor can cause horrible effects and should not be attempted. However, the withdrawal effects from Effexor can be minimised with an extremely slow taper.

This is a medication that can give people back their lives which in my opinion is worth discomfort upon withdrawal.

For the record, I was addicted to opiates and have found Effexor to be highly effective in dealing with depression and anxiety.
 
I respect your opinion, but what about those who are forced to take anti-depressants against their own will and then become dependent? I was hospitalized for anorexia when I was only 12 and was given anti-depressants through the IV that they hooked me up to. After my release, I had no knowledge of pharmaceuticals. I just knew that my parents would get mad if I didn't take my paxil and it helped me stop crying all the time. It seemed to work for awhile, I was emotionally numb and socially pretty clueless, but I got by until I was 17 and all hell broke loose. I won't go into the details, but I realized that paxil was just making me stupid and indifferent to important events that could occur in my life. Even though I tapered I had really, really bad withdrawals (probably because I had been on it so long.) My pdoc's solution was to put me on wellbutrin which was a brilliant. I acted like I had borderline personality disorder and tried to kill myself numerous times. My parents eventually took me to a mental hospital and now I take an AD along with an amphetamine and benzo. It works except when it doesn't.

Always happy to politely discuss differences in views :)

I'm a little confused with your question however. What exactly are you asking?

I would argue that it is wrong to force someone to take drugs against their will, except in severe circumstances, such as someone experiencing a psychotic break which requires antipsychotics (temporarily), or perhaps giving someone narcan when they intentionally overdosed attempting suicide (That ones a little more complex, and don't feel like getting into it, just trying to give examples)

I think that giving children drugs such as SSRI's, SNRI's, and SNRE's is extremely bad medicine. Not only do they not have a choice, but it could potentially alter their brain chemistry, personality, and experience of life.

I would also go so far to say that either one or both of these scenarios is true. 1) The current generation of parents are not equiped to be parents, and are not able to handle raising a child. When things get difficult, instead of actually being a parent, and learning from those experiences, as was the situation when I grew up, they instead look for a pill. Granted they could look for a pill because they are truly concerned about the well being of their children, however, I would argue that some parents seek out a pill as a way to make their "job" of being a parent easier. I believe the latter is paradoxical as I feel parents should not only have to, but want to, experience the growing pains of their children, it's an essential part of raising a family.

2)Where there may be situations where parents seek the easy way out, there are likewise situations where parents, without any ill intentions, blindly follow Dr's orders. From the ad's seen on television, to a diagnosis of ADHD because your child doesn't want to do his math homework, we've entered into a society that seeks to medicate everything. Dr's have changed from the once caring protectors of life they were generations ago, and has essentially become licensed drug dealers, pushing the next best drug onto their customers, I mean patients......


Unfortunately it seems that you've suffered at the hands of the medical community. Life was once meant to be vibrant and diverse, and it's slowly becoming dull and melancholy.

I am sorry to inform everyone this, but life SUCKS. Bottom line, no matter what you do, you are all going to die. No amount of money, sex, happiness, anything will prevent that from happening, one day you will die. Since we currently don't know what happens after death, we must assume that there is nothing, that life ultimately sucks, and we are all doomed to the same fate.

If that is true, is there any purpose to life? I would argue yes. In our life we have something great, something that is so special that despite the fact that we are ultimately going to die, we need to cherish it for the time we are given the privilege to have it.....it is humanity....it is emotions.

We are slowly moving towards a world that seeks to strip people of the very thing that makes them human, emotions are no longer seen as a tool, a lesson, an unexplainable feeling of butterflies or fear, emoions have become the plague of people.

For whatever the reason, I believe that society has developed AID's of the emotions, the immune system is failing. Someone might have a bad day, get a divorce, or it might just be raining out, and instead of being able to take those emotions and ultizlize them, and accept that those emotions are the very thing that make us human, we seek to destroy them. To bury them deep within our psyche, only to be followed by dulling them even more by drugs.

As I have said before, life sucks. There will be bad days. There will be days that are harder to handle than others. If we seek to numb ourself to those emotions then we are effectively signing the death warrant of our own humanity.

All though life may suck inevitably, humanity is a gift which does not!

Assume you were injured and were on life support, paralyzied, and you damaged your ability to feel emotions. Would you rather never feel emotions again, no love nor sorrow, no friendship, nor hatred in exchange for being able to have your physical life back. Or would you choose to stay in the current state in exchange for being able to understand and interpret the love felt caused by the company around you?
 
I tried Effexor for my PAWS depression. It didn't help and I was ready to kill myself a lot more so after 2 weeks then before I started it.
 
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