I'm sorry for not having replied to this thread in a while and I appreciate all your replies.
I believe temazepam to be the best substitute. It leaves me feeling the most refreshed. This is because it doesn't interrupt REM sleep unlike other benzos.
If you want next-day anxiety relief, flurazepam, quazepam, or phenazepam have the longest half lives.
Is there a reason you are thinking about loprazolam but not midazolam?
I have mentioned temazepam to my doctor, but unfortunately he has never heard of it, so I believe it is not available in the country I live in. I will definitely look into flurazepam, quazepam, and phenazepam. As for midazolam, I have never heard of it, as I'm quite new to benzos in general. I am looking for a benzo with strong sleep-inducing properties as well as anti-anxiety relief for the next day. The half life can't be too long though, otherwise I'd build tolerance to it too quickly, as I use it three times a week (Sundays, Wednesdays, and Fridays). Thanks for your reply, I will dig into your suggestions.
Hallo everyone.So,I was taking rophynol for years,never for getting me to sleep,just for having fun.I used to like the way that it started,you know,i felt it coming and relaxing me all over my body,and it used to give me the most euphoria i was ever taking from benzo's.BUT,after some time,i had memory-lost,not for seconds as you say,but for more time,as i was taking a lot of pills(7-20mg,maybe above sometimes),it made me use violence,did things that the other day forget,and many"lovely" things like that..The best benzo i've ever try is halcion i think,it has a lot of the goods of rophynol,and if you use it carefully,you'll have a great time.I've never try nitrazepam,nimetazepam,temazepam,midazolam(i wanna try this one),loprazolam..i've try diazepam,alprazolam,bromazepam,clonazepam,lorazepa m..I vote halcion(triazolam) for best,ativan(lorazepam) second..But that's just me mate..I wish you good luck
I was tempted to try Halcion, although its half-life is so incredibly short that I am afraid by the time I wake up, I won't feel its anti-anxiety effects throughout the day. :[
I have not tried Lorazepam. Do you know if its effects are similar to Flunitrazepam? All I'm really looking for is a decent night's sleep and anti-anxiety relief throughout the next day.
If you are getting it prescribed then your doctor can probably help you pick a good alternative but i would say Lorazepam, Temazapam or Midazolam
Thank you. I will talk to him about it. He is pretty open to my own suggestions, as he knows I do not use them for recreational purposes. I would just like to do a little bit of research, and get some opinions from you guys, so I can help him determine an appropriate replacement to Fluni.
how about estazolam ? i got the 1mg prescribed and they always knock me straight out, ik dont take on a daily basis just about twice a week.. i also find them to be kinda recreational, definitely they dont leave u groggy the next day
zolpidem leaves u like a zombie the next day. midazolam's halflife is waaay too short, it effect maybe lasts 4-5h only so u will fall straight to sleep but u wont sleep long....
all in all, though, the best i temazepam, both for sleeping as for recreation !!!
ciao
Out of the ones you got listed only tried Temazepam which is the best in my opinon of all benzos and Nitrazepam which is pretty close to Temazepam in effects however not as euphoric.
If you meant Lorazepam I wouldn't recommend it (too weak & high doses give too much amnesia), if you meant Loprazolam I haven't tried it.
Thanks for your suggestions. Although unfortunately, temazepam does not seem to be available where I live. Bummer.
I've been prescribed pretty much every benzo available, and a few illegitmately aquired ones (Im a severe insomniac with anxiety problems). Temazepam worked well before tolerance built up and in smaller amounts took the edge off my daytime anxiety, for some reason it would give mad munchies though. Sometimes I would wake up with partially-eaten food in/around my bed lol.
Anyhow, I would recommend secobarbitol or pentobarbitol as they work best and most consistantly. It may be difficult to find a doctor who is willing to write a prescription however, so my suggestion in the benzo category would be flurazepam. That would most likely be ideal especially if you dont take it every night or abuse it.
If I were in your position I would stick to flunitrazepam or possibly try midazolam for sleep and aquire a prescription for a shorter acting benzo to use as needed in daytime, preferably a shorter acting one with more anxiolytic effects than hypnotic(common sense really I guess).
Thats my two cents as they say, I'll follow this thread in case you have more benzodiazepine questions or my reply didn't sufficiently answer your question. I have been on many, many benzos for many years(probably gonna be a lifer at this point) so I would gladly give any advice that may be helpful based on my experience 'cause i definetly know how bad it sucks to not be able to sleep.
I hope ya find the right drug/drugs for you, good luck and blessed be
I appreciate very much your in-depth reply. You're truly a kind soul. Temazepam does not seem to be available where I live, so I think that leaves it out of the question unfortunately.
As for the barbiturates, I don't believe my doctor would prescribe them to me, as I am also seeing a psychologist, so he may be reluctant to it due to suicide potential, (No, I am not suicidal
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As for Loprazolam, do you find it similar to Fluni at all? The sociability that lasts well into the next day is imperative to me, as I am completely unable to share feelings and emotions with others (which is the reason I am seeing a psychologist as well. In fact, my major need for this "sociability factor" is so I am able to talk with my psychologist without feeling caged in by my anxiety).
I really don't know about sticking with Flunitrazepam for sleep, since my tolerance is building up. I believe in a few more months, I will probably have to start taking dosages that may not be too healthy. Then again, I'm no expert in this field.
If we made a hypothetical comparison between 5mg of Halcion and 10mg of Flunitrazepam, would the 5mg of Halcion (
based off this chart) be less harmful to my health, just because it's a smaller dosage? I'm not thinking about taking Halcion at all, due to its short half life. I was more interested in the relationship between the strength, dosage, and health risks when comparing different benzos.
I haven't considered taking one medication at night for sleep and another for social anxiety during the day. One thing I have noticed is that if I take a low dose of Fluni in the morning, it doesn't make me feel sleepy at all, but still makes me more sociable. But now that I am forced to wake up early three times a week, I really wanted to avoid taking 6mg Fluni at night, then another 1-2mg in the morning. My tolerance would go through the roof, I think. Thanks again. I hope to hear back from you.
I'd say temazepam. However nitrazepam eased me to sleep & kept me nicely mellow for about 2 days after i took it. Once i made the mistake of taking 10 mg with beer & marijuana for kicks & i could barely walk, nothing has ever fucked my ability to walk like that before.
I'm mighty curious about flunitrazepam.
Yeah, Temazepam isn't available here. If you want to try Fluni, I'd say go ahead with it. The best thing I like about it is that it allows me to feel normal the next day, and act like everyone else around me, instead of being reclusive and caged in. I don't feel euphoria and don't see a strong recreational effect from it, but that's just the way my body reacts to it. That could be different for you.
I think all the options you put up can be effective substitutes for flunitrazepam since they all are top of the line hypnotic benzo agents, but I would go for something like temazepam.
The problem is the amount you are taking. You will have to take a lot of the substitute aswell, so it's really not going to be a different scenario. It's just going to be different drug.
Personally, I'd say switch to temazepam because it kicks in faster than most of the ones you listed and I personally think temazepam has a stronger sedative effect than flunitrazepam does (I've done both). Temazepam also doesn't leaved you zonked out the next day. If you want to be zonked out the next morning, go with nitrazepam (this too is a powerful sedative, second to only halcion in my book as a sedative).
Loprazolam is top notch too, but it is not as rapidly absorbed as temazepam (or many other hypnotic benzos), so you may find a delay in action with this one.
I've never tried nimetazepam, but I hear it is quite the doozy of a benzo. It's relatively potent (5 mg nimetazepam = 10 mg diazepam = 20 temazepam) and it's purported to have extremely powerful generic benzo action (sedation, amnesic, anticonvulsant, anti-anxiety, hypnosis, muscle relaxation, etc).
The choice comes down to temazepam or nimetazepam, either would be able to cover flunitrazepam.
My favorite benzo is temazepam!
Thank you, I appreciate your reply. As Temazepam is not available where I live, I suppose my choices based off your suggestions would be between Nimetazepam and Loprazolam. I've never tried either one, although it seems that on a mg per mg basis, Flunitrazepam seems be more potent, although I have no idea if that plays an important role in this case. I don't mind the late onset of Loprazolam, though it has a shorter half-life than Funi, so it may not give me long-lasting anti-anxiety feeling the next day.
These types of threads are really better suited for Basic Drug Discussion.
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I'm sorry, I'm new here. I'll take that into account next time I post a new thread.
Everyone agrees with temazepam but I find it rather weak compared to other better benzos imo. I become agressive from nitrazepam and only nitrazepam. So I exclude that one too. I don't feel shit from 100mg zolpidem and the hallucinations (the only thing i've experienced high-wise) are one boring kind to me..triazolam (halcion i believe) lasts way to short for me. Only good for inducing sleep and nothing else. I take 4mg clonazepam (Rivotril) daily and atleast it helps a bit to becoming more sociable to people. But the 10mg mark is better when I want to be real chatty somewhere.
I would love to experiment further with which benzo makes me all the most sociable but I forgot all my research so far :/
Thank you. I'll make sure to exclude nitrazepam from my list. I have tried other benzos that made me aggressive and I absolutely hate the feeling. Rivotril had no effect on social anxiety to me, it just (barely) helped me get to sleep.
have to agree w above: temazepam is like taking sugar pill compared to stillnox. in high enough dosafe, triazolam knocks me straight down and keeps me there, but half life is very short. plua there's some literature that suggests longterm triazolam use leads to bad things.
so you could also exercise very briskly in the morning. there's no doubt this helps to balance your circadian rhythms and also makes you legitimately tired.
Well, since I can't get Temazepam where I live, I guess it won't be a big deal either way, lol. I have tried exercising, but my problem is a little deeper than that. Even if I am tired, exhausted, and literally dying to sleep, I will simply not be able to fall sleep regardless of how tired I feel. Without benzos, it takes 4 to 6 hours of rolling around in bed until I can finally fall asleep. This has been the case since I was very little, I guess I was naturally born with insomnia.
