Mental Health Fix my brain from Antipsychotics (Dopamine and serotinin edition)

[Darkkillz]

I took zyprexa for 2 months then stopped abruptly I couldn't get out of bed for 2 weeks developed akithesia and now I feel like I'm ruined. I cannot feel emotion I can't feel pleasure from anything jerking off feels like nothing I can't concentrate or focus on anything my motor skills have gone to shit honestly my life is ruined completely.

My theory is that when I stopped ubruptly my dopamine and serotonin receptors overloaded causing me to be unable to feel pleasure emotion etc ANHEDONIA

THE FIX: I need advice I plan on taking all of these supplements to bring back my d2 and 5-ht2a receptors (along with libido concentration etc) as I know this is where olanzapine works most on however im worried about interactions between these drugs

Oxiracetam
Rhodiola rosea
Magnesium
N-Acetyl Tyrosine
Hordenine
Miura Pauma
Travacor
Sulbutiamine
Noopept
Uridine
Cognizin
L-tyrosine (taken together with n-acetyl tyrosine yay or nay?)
Horny goat weed
Catuaba
Alcar 500
Lithium orotate
Maca capsules (might get powder)
5-htp (interact with travacor? Both work on serotonin)
L-theanine
Salvia miltiorhizza
St johns wort (hesitant with this one feel like it wouldn't work with everything else here)
Thunbergia Laurifolia
pregnenolone
Dhea
Peptide bpc 157 (idk if this will help)
Nsi-189 (no idea how to get this )
Phenotropil
Tianeptine
Pitolisant
Cdp-Choline
Fasoracetam
Inositol
Jiogulan
Mucuna pruriens
Egcg

Along with these I plan on taking 4-aco-dmt (psychedelic to reverse anti psychotic?) Hopefully bringing back my creativity. Methoxetamine (like legal ketamine) in studies ketamine has been shown to reverse anhedonia for up to 2 weeks. 2-fa (like legal adderall? lol) as a last resort to try and kick start my system in a way? The state I'm in is living hell if these dont work idk what ima do.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Talk to your doctor that prescribes you the medication. I would not just go about taking supplements since you do not know if they're interact with each other or the medication, or any other medications you are on. I am moving this to mental health.

 

[jammin83]

I have to go to work right now, but I'll leave a more detailed response later. For the time being, don't take any of that stuff except for the magnesium unless you want to feel worse.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Hey,

The best way you can help your body and brain to recover involves a lot more than taking substances. This is what got you into the current predicament, yes?

Exercise is key. Countless studies conclude that about 30 minutes of aerobic activity per day holistically heals.

Meditation has been shown to help with everything from depression and anxiety to focus and emotional processing. There are at leas thousands of different ways to meditate. If one way doesn't work for you, there are more .

Reading a good book, something you're interested in, is a nice way to self-heal. It doesn't have to be something difficult to read. The idea here is to take you out your head and into a new world, figuratively speaking.

Socialization can be very helpful. We mentally ill oftentimes feel like isolating, and it doesn't help us at all. If you can push yourself out of your comfort zone in regards to being with other people, you strengthen. Also, when you're around other people, ask them questions (without being too nosy) about them. People love talking about themselves. And to focus on others takes away negative thoughts about yourself. Additionally, when you hang with friends, it's a good idea to do something, to have something it centers on. This could be a movie, lunch, or maybe playing a game of basketball.

If you're somewhere toasty, getting some sun is a good, natural way to boost mood.

Petting an animal, dog or cat, has been shown to be of benefit in mood. Connecting with another being is a powerful thing. Even better would be to have a romantic relationship, but many of us need to improve our own health to have something to give away to another.

Writing, even journalling, is a good way to process what you're going through. It has really helped me in the past.

Drawing or painting can be a good way to get out your emotions, too. It doesn't have to be a work of art for it to be helpful.

Maybe you could even try taking up an instrument.

If worst comes to worst, there are doctors out there that can treat your depression. But before you jump into pharma land, it may be prudent to consider less invasive means of getting better.

Horny goat weed? Funny name, eh?

If you're looking for a boost, coffee in moderation can be useful. Also, green tea, which contains theanine, is a great way to be focused yet relaxed. I might start with either of these.

It will take time, though. There is nothing you can take which will make you feel normal. True recovery is a long road. Sure you could probably put a chemical band-aid on your issues, but sooner or later it becomes a problem in-and-of itself. You don't need the extra problem of addiction, right? It takes real willpower on a daily level to get better. And as much as the pharmaceutical industry teaches that happiness is in a pill, this is just a fairy-tale. Again, you could turn to euphoriants, drinking or drugging yourself into oblivion every day, but that sets you back months or longer. You're going to have to find out what constructive activities make you happy. I've only listed a fraction of potential forms of recreation above.

It comes down to: how bad do you want it?

 

[Bi-Guy]

I think eventually it'll come back, usually the brain can always rebound after dopamine/seritonin damage. The mind heals at it's own pace, always remember that....

 

[jammin83]

There aren't any supplements that you can take that will fix your brain from APs. Magnesium and B12 have helped me in my withdrawal from zyprexa. I was on 20 mg though for four years. Really all you can do is wait it out. Light exercise if you can and try and eat three meals a day but sometimes it will be hard to eat. You need to be really careful about what you put into your body. No drugs, don't drink soda or eat junk food. Try and eat healthy. It will not only speed up your recovery but you will feel like crap if you eat junk. I couldn't even drink a coke without throwing up.

Depending on the severity of the withdrawal you might want to reinstate a much lower dose and taper down from there. Even though it was only two months, the withdrawal from zyprexa is very long lasting. I've been withdrawing from it for almost a year now. I switched over to seroquel and it was pretty nasty for a long time. It got really unsafe for a while. Eventually, I started having neurological symptoms in addition to the withdrawal. I basically destabilized my nervous system from making the switch and going too fast. I am starting to come around I think but it's not the kind of thing you can just push through, unless you plan on pushing through for a year or longer.

After so much time, reinstatement has a less likely chance of working and you can really do a lot of damage if you just cold turkey, that can take a long time to recover from. Everyone responds a little different though and some lucky ones don't really get much of a withdrawal from it. I never got anhedonia but I think I would have preferred that to the extreme emotions I was dealing with for a while. It depends on the severity of the symptoms but I've heard akasthia is pretty bad. Nobody ever wants to reinstate and it is counter intuitive but you could be putting yourself through a lot of pain otherwise. The withdrawal can last anywhere from at least a few months to sometimes over a year. Most people start feeling better around 8 months in with some windows here and there. It's important to remember recovery from APs isn't going to be linear. You will feel better and then worse and have different symptoms that come and go but it takes time so you have to be patient. If you are freaking out the whole time it's not going to help you at all. You are dealing with multiple systems not just serotonin and dopamine so there can be a lot going on. I'm not sure what your employment situation is or what kind of responsibilities you have but it can be hard to function for a while. Reinstating would make you a lot more functional but it doesn't always work either. It's usually worth a shot depending on your symptoms. After you reinstate, you stabilize and the taper appropriately from there on. I know some people that have had some good luck with microtapering. You have to be diligent and meticulous with it and it is most definitely a commitment.

The last two weeks has been the most stable I've been since I've been going through this and it feels good to finally get some relief. I'm going to take a break from tapering and withdrawing for a while because it was sucking the life out of me. For a while I was wondering if I had done some permanent damage and was wondering if I would ever get better but I will. I am sure you will recover too but be patient. I know it can be pretty brutal though. The fact that you were able to tolerate it for a couple months makes me thinks its withdrawal induced rather than an adverse effect. You were on it for a relatively short amount of time, so you have that going for you. If you start using drugs it will increase the chaos is your brain and it will take longer to recover. Most drugs will make you feel worse. I was drinking to get through mine and it really set me back. I can tolerate pot pretty well now and it helps me but I wouldn't advise it early on in the WD.

I tried mxe and it didn't really help me much at all and it probably slowed me down. I certainly wouldn't recommend psychedelics during zyprexa withdrawal. Maybe later on, but you aren't going to reverse the effects of an AP by taking a psychedelic. It just takes your brain time to heal from the damage it caused.

What other types of symptoms are you experiencing? Are you sleeping at all? Nausea? Vomiting? Anxiety? Definitely don't take st johns wort (it's an SSRI), don't take the lithium either. I really wouldn't take any of that stuff except magnesium. It would mostly be huge waste of money and can mess you up more. I know you want to take action but I tried all kinds of stuff and nothing really helped except the magnesium and b12. Also, you should avoid zantac and PPIs too if you can. I realized those were making me feel like shit and they also deplete b12 levels. If you need something for heartburn you should just try baking soda and water. Do your research on the different types of magnesium they aren't all the same. Let me know if you need anything else. Hang in there I know it can get pretty bad.

 

[Brandi81]

There aren't any supplements that you can take that will fix your brain from APs. Magnesium and B12 have helped me in my withdrawal from zyprexa. I was on 20 mg though for four years. Really all you can do is wait it out. Light exercise if you can and try and eat three meals a day but sometimes it will be hard to eat. You need to be really careful about what you put into your body. No drugs, don't drink soda or eat junk food. Try and eat healthy. It will not only speed up your recovery but you will feel like crap if you eat junk. I couldn't even drink a coke without throwing up.

Depending on the severity of the withdrawal you might want to reinstate a much lower dose and taper down from there. Even though it was only two months, the withdrawal from zyprexa is very long lasting. I've been withdrawing from it for almost a year now. I switched over to seroquel and it was pretty nasty for a long time. It got really unsafe for a while. Eventually, I started having neurological symptoms in addition to the withdrawal. I basically destabilized my nervous system from making the switch and going too fast. I am starting to come around I think but it's not the kind of thing you can just push through, unless you plan on pushing through for a year or longer.

After so much time, reinstatement has a less likely chance of working and you can really do a lot of damage if you just cold turkey, that can take a long time to recover from. Everyone responds a little different though and some lucky ones don't really get much of a withdrawal from it. I never got anhedonia but I think I would have preferred that to the extreme emotions I was dealing with for a while. It depends on the severity of the symptoms but I've heard akasthia is pretty bad. Nobody ever wants to reinstate and it is counter intuitive but you could be putting yourself through a lot of pain otherwise. The withdrawal can last anywhere from at least a few months to sometimes over a year. Most people start feeling better around 8 months in with some windows here and there. It's important to remember recovery from APs isn't going to be linear. You will feel better and then worse and have different symptoms that come and go but it takes time so you have to be patient. If you are freaking out the whole time it's not going to help you at all. You are dealing with multiple systems not just serotonin and dopamine so there can be a lot going on. I'm not sure what your employment situation is or what kind of responsibilities you have but it can be hard to function for a while. Reinstating would make you a lot more functional but it doesn't always work either. It's usually worth a shot depending on your symptoms. After you reinstate, you stabilize and the taper appropriately from there on. I know some people that have had some good luck with microtapering. You have to be diligent and meticulous with it and it is most definitely a commitment.

The last two weeks has been the most stable I've been since I've been going through this and it feels good to finally get some relief. I'm going to take a break from tapering and withdrawing for a while because it was sucking the life out of me. For a while I was wondering if I had done some permanent damage and was wondering if I would ever get better but I will. I am sure you will recover too but be patient. I know it can be pretty brutal though. The fact that you were able to tolerate it for a couple months makes me thinks its withdrawal induced rather than an adverse effect. You were on it for a relatively short amount of time, so you have that going for you. If you start using drugs it will increase the chaos is your brain and it will take longer to recover. Most drugs will make you feel worse. I was drinking to get through mine and it really set me back. I can tolerate pot pretty well now and it helps me but I wouldn't advise it early on in the WD.

I tried mxe and it didn't really help me much at all and it probably slowed me down. I certainly wouldn't recommend psychedelics during zyprexa withdrawal. Maybe later on, but you aren't going to reverse the effects of an AP by taking a psychedelic. It just takes your brain time to heal from the damage it caused.

What other types of symptoms are you experiencing? Are you sleeping at all? Nausea? Vomiting? Anxiety? Definitely don't take st johns wort (it's an SSRI), don't take the lithium either. I really wouldn't take any of that stuff except magnesium. It would mostly be huge waste of money and can mess you up more. I know you want to take action but I tried all kinds of stuff and nothing really helped except the magnesium and b12. Also, you should avoid zantac and PPIs too if you can. I realized those were making me feel like shit and they also deplete b12 levels. If you need something for heartburn you should just try baking soda and water. Do your research on the different types of magnesium they aren't all the same. Let me know if you need anything else. Hang in there I know it can get pretty bad.

Jammin are you still around? Can I get an update? Pls and thx.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

This really isn't within the guidelines, sort of gray area. We can't advise drugs, whether for recreation or medicinal purpose.

The whole neurotransmitter theory is much more complicated than that which you seem to know....no offense. And it also doesn't mean a whole lot. It's not at all an exact science. We only know markers.

Again, our site doesn't condone this sort of thing.