First timer. Open to suggestions

sneek04

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What's up guys. I am about to start the madness and would like some advice.

Age - 23
Weight/height - 185 / 5'8
AAS experience - None personally although I have talked with people and read a fair amount.
Goals - Get stronger while staying lean
BF% - 8%
Diet - Healthy, clean foods. Whey protein after workouts. Casein before bed. Fish oil / milk thistle / multivitamin 2x a day.
Work out schedule - 5-6 days a week alternating muscle groups. Warm up always. 4-5 exercises per muscle group 3 sets heavy 2-6 reps with last set burnout of 8-12 reps. Core / Calves alternate each day. Cardio is light, usually consists of 100-400 meter sprints or 3 mile run.

I lifted a bit in high school but did not get serious until about 3 years ago. In Oct 2010 I was 145 now I am 185. For my weight I feel weak. People 20 pounds less then me are squating and dead lifting 150 pounds more then me. I have not gone up weight in a while and feel like I'm at my max.

Thinking of using a test blend. It's Test C,E,P. 600mg/ml. I forget exactly how the portions between them are broken up but I can find it out. Also thinking about Turinabol ( oral ) in 50 mg doses and Nolvadex ( oral ) / Clomid ( oral ) in 50mg doses. I planed on sticking 2x a week .5 each one and taking one turinabol pre workout starting week 2 until I run out. Planed on doing 10 week cycle with a 3 week pct. Also planed on starting tomorrow. Does that sound like a solid first time cycle?

After reading threads on here I've realized I probably have not done enough research. I would like to start as early as possible but not sure if I have the correct equipment. It being my first time I would like to start things off right. I realized I do not have any anti-aromatase products and was wondering if they are needed 100% of the time?

Any tips / suggestions / ideas? Please don't hesitate to post, I'm open to anything and everything.
 
You may not need aromatase inhibitors, but at 600mg per week it's pretty likely that you will need them. However, you can fight gyno with nolvadex only. You can't lower your estrogen levels with nolvadex though.
Your plan seems ok. For pct, 20mg nolvadex and 50mg clomid per day for 3 or 4 weeks. You'll obviously end up with higher test levels if you do 4 weeks instead of 3.
Hope this helps.
 
Very good first timer post.


You'll want to keep some anti aromatase on hand in case your sides start getting bad.

there is a good sticky called my first cycle that you should check out.
 
For an anti estrogen/AI I reccomend armidex/liquidex.
Lucky find the Tbol for a first cycle...

I recommend not using a blend of test, especially e,c,p... P would be useless really and do not much more than fluctuate blood levels, the esters too short in comparison to e and c. Try getting e,c, or d (either or, not all 3)

Very good first post btw.
 
Did we actually get someone with half a brain to post their first cycle?!?!
I have to agree with nolys. Thats a strange blend for test. If it was strictly test c and e then it would be alright as the half lives are similar. Prop would cause fluctuations in test levels which could increase side effects.
 
Forgot to add - dose your orals throughout the day, not pre workout, they have short half lives and you need to keep the level fairly steady in the blood.
Also pct 4 weeks - clomid 50/50/50/50 and nolva 20/20/20/20.

BTW you should be fine without any AIs but do you want to take that risk of having tits for the rest of your life? Get some AIs before starting, even if you don't use them they might come in handy during future cycles with higher dosages
 
Did we actually get someone with half a brain to post their first cycle?!?!
I have to agree with nolys. Thats a strange blend for test. If it was strictly test c and e then it would be alright as the half lives are similar. Prop would cause fluctuations in test levels which could increase side effects.


It sounds like he's talking about a Test C, E, D blend. If that's the case, it's a fine blend as they are all long esters. For a first timer, that high of a concentration is going to give you pretty bad pip. A 250ml/mg blend would have been better, but test is test.
 
Appreciate the feedback everyone.

I was wrong on the mg/ml it is 400 mg/ml not 600.
It is a blend of Test C,E,P. It says c-150 e-150 p-100.
Still plan on doing .5 2x a week

Would the difference be significant in running 400 rather then 600?

Nolys / Serotonin101 - Pretty much your saying the P is going to just cause more harm then good? Also you say dose orals throughout the day... I only have 50 mg capsules. What would you recommend? And are you specifically talking about tbol or the pct orals also? By 50/50/50/50 20/20/20/20 I am assuming you mean clomid 50mg a day for 4 weeks and nolva 20mg a day for 4 weeks?
 
Yes, there will be a difference between 400 and 600. How significant will it be, idk.
I don't think the P is bad in this blend. It will kick in faster than E and C. Thus you start getting results earlier.
Yes, 50/50/50/50 means 50mg a day of clomid for 4 weeks. And 20/20/20/20 means 20mg a day of nolvadex for 4 weeks.
 
Appreciate the feedback everyone.

I was wrong on the mg/ml it is 400 mg/ml not 600.
It is a blend of Test C,E,P. It says c-150 e-150 p-100.
Still plan on doing 0.5 2x a week ....................................Because of the faster acting Prop' try 0.3 EOD

Would the difference be significant in running 400 rather then 600? ....Yes, but stick to 400 for a first cycle

Nolys / Serotonin101 - Pretty much your saying the P is going to just cause more harm then good? Also you say dose orals throughout the day... I only have 50 mg capsules. What would you recommend? And are you specifically talking about tbol or the pct orals also? By 50/50/50/50 20/20/20/20 I am assuming you mean clomid 50mg a day for 4 weeks and nolva 20mg a day for 4 weeks?

Propionate (2 days), is a faster acting ester than Enanthate (5 days), or Cypionate (6 days)... It normally hits the blood at about 14-16hrs after pinning, and half-life's at just over 2 days, the subsequent peaks in blood plasma Test levels may contribute to a higher aromatisation rate to Estrogen if you pin less frequently with a higher amount..
I would suggest for this reason you lower the dose and pin more often, EOD would be ideal with Prop' EOD 0.3ml... But as its your first time pinning so frequently might be an issue...?
Regards your earlier posts: Take half the Turinabol tablet 2hrs prior to training.... other half either am or pm dependant on when you train..

Your rep range is too low at 2-6... Up the reps 8-12... With your legs try 15-20-30...

2 weeks after last pin: 50mg clomid 20mg nolva/day.. X 4 wks...
 
flyhighk - Thanks for clarifying that

Genetic Freak - Awesome advice, I am going to do what you recommend.

unfortunately the tbol is in capsule so I will try to 1/2 it as best as possible. I usually workout Pm so when would you recommend the 2nd dose?

The reason I was doing low reps is to focus on pure strength but I'm curious to know your reason for 8-12 and 15-30 for legs if you wouldn't mind.
 
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flyhighk - Thanks for clarifying that

Genetic Freak - Awesome advice, I am going to do what you recommend.

unfortunately the tbol is in capsule so I will try to 1/2 it as best as possible. I usually workout Pm so when would you recommend the 2nd dose? Early morning 1st dose.

The reason I was doing low reps is to focus on pure strength but I'm curious to know your reason for 8-12 and 15-30 for legs if you wouldn't mind.

I read you wanted strength, technically singles or 5 X 5 or 2-6 are preferred for strength... But you stated your mates are stronger than you..!! So something isn't working..!!

Are you using full range of motion..? Do you bounce and swing your weights..?? Be honest..!!!! Optimally you should push up to a 2 count and lower to a 4-6 count, pause at the bottom then press up.. No bouncing..!!! The eccentric or negative part of the exercise is the one responsible for greater hytrophic stimuli... Not the pushing..!!
Try 8-12 for 6 months an see how you go..!

Legs should be hammered, 2-6 just wont cut it with legs.. My Squats include 30-25-20 rep range, they are slowly returning to their pre-injury size.. almost..!!

As a guide: Probably our BB'er with the largest legs here in NZ uses similar numbers on squats, on leg press he'll do 20-30-40-50-60-50-40-30-20... You need to hit em hard..
 
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