Heroin First time on heroin - a few questions

[blueskies565]

So I picked up some heroin today - I have never used heroin before and have no opiate tolerance, my opiate experience consists of the occasional oc80. Anyway I have a few questions about the experience that I hope you guys can help me with.

So first off how can I counteract the itch? Won't Benadryl potentate the heroin? And does it really make a substantial difference?

Secondly what are the typical signs of an overdose On heroin? I feel I did far too much on my last dose and it was incredibly intense and I felt I had to remember to breath and my heart was beating slowly. Iim still quite out of it and I feel incredibly tired. I also have trouble reading, text keeps blurring and I have to shake my head every few seconds da to see again. So basically my question is if your not throwing up your guts are you not going too die?

Anyway I really enjoyed it overall but I'm going to tuck what's left away and just smoke some weed when I come down a bit more.

Btw the dose I was worried about was 32mg of extremely high quality heroin. Was I worried about nothing? Thanks for any advice guys.

 

[pinpoint]

So I picked up some heroin today - I have never used heroin before and have no opiate tolerance

H isn't a very good choice for opioid naïve individuals if not only for the fact that it's dangerous but also it likely won't be 'fun' and may be nauseating and too intense.

So first off how can I counteract the itch? Won't Benadryl potentate the heroin? And does it really make a substantial difference?

Second generation anti-histamines are a good choice, think loratadine or cetirizine. They are non-drowsy and will not intensify your high.

Secondly what are the typical signs of an overdose On heroin?

Most people don't see it coming, but generally it's an inability to remain conscious combined with severely depressed breathing & low BP. Life threatening OD's can happen anywhere from 10 seconds to an hour after you dose depending on ROA.

I feel I did far too much on my last dose and it was incredibly intense and I felt I had to remember to breath and my heart was beating slowly.

That's why I said H isn't a good choice for someone new to the world of opiates.

So basically my question is if your not throwing up your guts are you not going too die?

Not necessarily. Many OD's happen without nausea present.

Anyway I really enjoyed it overall but I'm going to tuck what's left away and just smoke some weed when I come down a bit more.

Probably a good idea.

Btw the dose I was worried about was 32mg of extremely high quality heroin. Was I worried about nothing?

Nobody can answer this accurately as street drugs vary in purity. That's a relatively mild to moderate dose assuming mid-level purity, ROA & little to no tolerance.

Thanks for any advice guys.

No problem. Be safe!

 

[blueskies565]

aWow thanks for such a thorough reply. Also is it normal for the euphoria to decline with each redose?s I Still felt great but the euphoria got weaker. Or I had just gotten used to it so didn't notice it as much?

 

[pinpoint]

Redosing isn't ideal, you'll generally want to wait until the following day after a restful sleep to get the initial euphoria back. Just be careful because that is the trap of opiates, especially H. Hence why it's called 'chasing the dragon'.

 

[pbuilder]

Good advice in this thread. Watch out for addiction man, it sneaks up on you. The fact that you do the occasional "oxy 80" means you already have a growing tolerance. Physical dependance sneaks up on you as well, even if you don't use every day. From my own experience, it's best to not lie to yourself about your opiate use. Honestly, take a step back and look at it from time to time, and don't rationalize your usage or else you will begin to trick yourself. Well, the heroin will begin to trick you and all logic goes out the window. Because opiate addiction and dependence isn't something most people realize they are well into until it's already too late.

32mg's of heroin isn't going to be a dose where you have too worry about OD if you can do an oxy 80mg. I find heroin generally about half as potent as oxycodone, because it's usually cut. But actual pure heroin is about t1.5x-2x stronger then oxycodone though if I remember correctly, although it's virtually impossible to get this kind of quality. Be careful, practice harm reduction, try your damn hardest too not use every day, and good luck, because opiates are one fucking sneaky bitch and she will pull you into her own little pit of hell on earth that will make you eventually hit a bottom you didn't even know what possible.

Oh, and most important of all, ALWAYS test dose any heroin you buy with a very small amount. There are a lot of extremely potent fentanyl analogues being cut into heroin these days by moronic dealers and it is becoming VERY V ERY common. So don't think it can't happen to you. All it would take is a few mg's of a fentanyl anaglogue to be cut in a "hot spot" of your heroin that you take out for a dose, and bam, dead. So always mix the heroin you buy very well, and start with a small bump.

Good luck man, you'll need it in the heroin game...

 

[hypnotic321]

I would also add to the advice here by saying watch out for how closely your doses are. By that I mean even if your doing little shots but your doing them every 30 mins or every hour, the doses can stack up and then bam one little shot will having you nauseous or puking and not enjoyable. I had a friend that OD'd a few weeks back by doing something similar to this.

Also the H game is one like playing at a casino, the house almost always wins. The best advice I can give you is quit while your ahead, for the mean time enjoy that taste that hits the back of your throat after a good shot hahah.

 

[likeawhale]

From somebody who has lost a partner of 7 years to a heroin overdose (with benzos) as well as a recovering addict - put the stuff down, nothing is worth it.

In the interest of doing it safely & my own experience - if you have to do it, smoke it - my partner & all the friends I have lost to overdose administered by IV. I've known users who've never touched a needle & they're still going, generally passing out before the opportunity to smoke enough to OD. Smoking is by no means safe - heroin/opiates are always dangerous so don't be complacent but in my own experience it is safer.

I would use loratadine for the itching. Although my partner & I had heard about the benedryl potentiation idea & tried it, I never found a marked difference to the experience. I've never liked benedryl as a sleep aid & coupled with the nod/groggy effects of heroin use I wouldn't recommend it as the thing it mostly potentiates is being sleepy/nodding. My partner never had problems with nausea, me on the other hand - i never got over it. Any big hit would have me running to the bathroom or as you get more moved in to your habit, you might have a puke bucket somewhere closer, ohl the very glamorous realities of heroin abuse.

 

[purplehaze147]

It sounds like you had a mild over dose. 32mg of high quality heroin is a lot for a new user, I dont know how much oxy you where I using. You DO NOT need to be puking to die.

Dont use any benedryl until at least 15min after you dose and if you feel the effects are strong don't use it because it can potenate the effects quite a bit.

 

[crzydiamond]

Excellent advice in this thread. I just want to say one thing though--32 mg is approximately 1/3 of an average bag. Maybe 1/2 of a smaller stamp bag.

I'm saying that just to put the amount in perspective. When I was a novice, snorting a half a bag got me good. It's not an uncommon amount for a novice.

It would be highly highly unlikely to have an OD from 32 mgs. While it is street stuff and this can vary in purity, unless it was uncut or cut with pure fentanyl, I would bet my next paycheck that you're fine.

Best advice for future experimenting: if you can be around another person do so. That way if you would happen to fall out and need help you're not alone. Even if you don't get high with someone else try to be around people afterwards. That would be your safest bet

 

[blueskies565]

Well thanks for the advice guys and yeah I'm think I'm gonna take a break from opiates though when I come back I do think heroin will be my go to over oxy for the sheer fact I can redose. If I'm doing a drug I don't want to stop till I sleep. In a way I was disappointed though, I guess heroin is build up to be such a monster I was kind of surprised to find its just another opiate. I would say the peak of the high was about as intense as my best oxy high and I really couldn't tell much of a difference - I expected heroin to be a different animal. Still these drugs have a weird subtle kind of drag to them, the highs not in your face but it's unlike anything else, I can see why people throw their lives away to feel that. Anyway I think I'm going back to weed and wine as my me time drugs though I admit I plan to pick up a gram and just stay high for a whole day in maybe a couple months. To those experienced does the high deteriorate through the day? I found redoseing every 40 ish minutes kept the high good last time but as I said the euphoria faded a little. Still I need a nice healthy break from this stuff maybe I'll pick up some k and ponder reality... Thanks guys.

 

[mostly-human]

For the people saying 32mg isn't a big dose, it's actually a huge dose assuming purity > 80%

I've actually overdosed on 25mg of high-purity heroin, that was with an opiate tolerance too, though I'd taken 2mg of xanax about 4 hours earlier, which would have significantly contributed I believe.

That said - yes - 32mg is far less than the average dose of heroin, but the average dose of heroin is also generally of a very low purity.. So, 32mg of something good can be similar to a dose of anything from 150mg-300mg of low-average quality gear.

 

[crzydiamond]

Although I used to get some very high purity heroin, I kinda doubt the OP picked up heroin of a greater than 80% purity his first time getting heroin. I know he said high purity, but without any h experience one can't really judge that and is probably going by what the dealer told him. And, of course, everyone selling will tell you they "got that fire"

I have done heroin on and off for 21 years. Rarely have I seen dope that would threaten OD even in a novice at a half bag dose. And I live right outside Philly, so I'm used to strong h. Just sayin

But hey yeah it's possible he got some super strong stuff. Just not very likely

 

[Gkeel]

So easy to fall in love with H, be careful

 

[mostly-human]

Although I used to get some very high purity heroin, I kinda doubt the OP picked up heroin of a greater than 80% purity his first time getting heroin. I know he said high purity, but without any h experience one can't really judge that and is probably going by what the dealer told him. And, of course, everyone selling will tell you they "got that fire"

I have done heroin on and off for 21 years. Rarely have I seen dope that would threaten OD even in a novice at a half bag dose. And I live right outside Philly, so I'm used to strong h. Just sayin

But hey yeah it's possible he got some super strong stuff. Just not very likely

I'm from Melbourne, Australia. Around here average street quality is 10-20% (That's from analysis, not my ass) - BUT - it's really not hard to get stuff 60-70% +, it just costs more, but if you ask around a couple of dealers, you'll get on to it soon enough, normally it sells for about 2-2.5X the usual cost, it works out more economic, but most people I know still avoid it, despite all the obvious reasons to use high purity stuff; you just end up getting tolerant to whatever it is you can afford, regardless of quality and if it's high quality, well - it's just that much harder to deal with the days you're not on, or when you need to quit. But it's definitely not that hard to source high quality stuff if you're so inclined. In Perth Australia, the AVERAGE quality tested on the street is 50% (they have a LOT of ODs).

 

[blueskies565]

Yeah I got through a friend who uses regularly and said this was an amazing batch - some of the best he's dome. That's why I decided now was the time to try so I reckon it was high purity but of course I have nothing to compare too.

 

[mostly-human]

Yeah I got through a friend who uses regularly and said this was an amazing batch - some of the best he's dome. That's why I decided now was the time to try so I reckon it was high purity but of course I have nothing to compare too.

Maybe, it generally sells for a different price; in my experience and from what I've heard elsewhere.. Getting high purity heroin isn't the same thing as getting a super-strong/amazing batch (at the regular price). I mean, if your normal purity is 15% and you get something that is 25-30% it's going to seem like some fucking amazing gear.. for sure, and that is good gear. But that might not cost you any more than usual. You come across something that is 80%+ though, you can be fairly sure it will be sold as 'pure' and it will probably cost a good deal more than your regular stuff.. My point is, you generally know when you're buying pure, as opposed to just buying good gear.

 

[F1n1shed]

For those saying heroin isn't for the opiate naive, it very well can be. Only reason why i went for heroin was because i always loved opiates but couldn't find norcos and percs anymore. Or pretty much any pills for that matter however i always knew a dealer that sold H along with other things.

I just always made sure to start with Very small doses and then work my way up. Have yet to have a bad over dose, i plug too now (just as strong as IV basically) i just make sure to start small.
Only advice i can give OP is start small and its best to start with smoking. I would have kept smoking it but it would mess up my lungs and give me asthma like symptoms, which does NOT happen to most people.

 

[clord0]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as blueskies, is it common to have to close one eye to focus on reading? Doing my nut in!

 

[simco]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as blueskies, is it common to have to close one eye to focus on reading? Doing my nut in!

Yeah it's almost impossible for me to read when I'm high.

 

[crzydiamond]

Yes I always caught myself reading with one eye closed lol