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Opioids First Time Morphine Questions

CorneliusDutchman

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So I've done plenty of oxy, heroin, hydro's and a little oxymorphone. Now I'm curious about morphine, so I figured this is the best group of people to ask about this. I have two questions, pretty simple really.

1. What is the suggested dose of Morphine ER (100mg tablet ground in a pill crusher) to someone with no opiate tolerance?

2. What is the best ROA for this particular opiate (swallowing whole, grinding the pill and placing it in a capsule to swallow, or insufflation)?

Any response would be a big help.

Some info on the tablet - (Imprint: ABG 100 Strength: 100 mg Color: Gray Shape: Round\
 
You can extract an ER tablet and convert it into IR form with most or all of the ER forms of Morphine I know that are available simply by scraping off the coating, crushing it into powder and cooking it up with water into a spoon until you get a clear liquid, then filtering it into an oral syringe, ready to be dosed orally, rectally, nasally, or converted into freebase to be smoked - IV is also possible though you shouldn't be IVing an ER pill (or any pill really) since you won't ever remove all the binders and wax and will be doing a massive amount of damage to your veins, plus we all know the other dangers of using the ROA and its highly addictive qualities.

I haven't plugged Morphine but I've tried oral, nasal, IV and SC(subcutaneous) administration. With these ER pills I'd recommend the procedure I mentioned above and starting with 20mg nasally or plugged and working up from there if necessary, redosing works just fine so it's better to start low and work up than overdo it.

If you'd like to take it ER you may or may not have already broken the extended release at least partially just by crushing it depending on the particular binding mechanism of the pill in question, so I'd still advise starting with a low dose and working up, as 100mg Morphine ER is a big difference from 100mg Morphine IR, regardless of ROA.

It'd help though if you told us your current tolerance to opiates/opioids, then maybe someone could give you a more accurate starting dosage to work from, but my method should work just fine since if you experience quick effects you can be fairly certain you've broken the time release, and that means you'll be able to redose in 15-20 minutes when effects have definitely peaked and you know you aren't at a high enough dosage yet - and if you are, even better and you can save the rest for later.

To dose nasally you should take the liquid through a filter into an oral syringe, tilt your head to the side, and drop 0.1-0.2ml of the liquid into your nose at a time using the syringe, the keep your head tilted for about 30 seconds, and repeat until all of the liquid with your dose in it is administered.

Since the powder could be unevenly distributed in an ER pill, the best thing to do is perform the procedure on the entire 100ml, then put the solution in a container or glass, using a precise amount of water, say 10ml. Now you know each 1ml of liquid should contain 10mg of Morphine, and so 2-3ml would be a good place to start and work up from.

If you wish to take it orally (though this is the most inefficient ROA with Morphine), I'd recommend around 40mg as a starting point if you already have at least a little tolerance and you may end up needing more or even the entire 100mg, but start with the 40mg in solution, wait 20 or so minutes, see if you're feeling it, if not you're probably okay to take the rest as you've likely not broken the time release - if you are, decide if you need to dose more or not to get where you want to be.

If you wish to take it rectally which is probably the most efficient ROA outside of smoking or IVing it (both of which are a bad idea when you're dealing with ER pills, even if you break the time release), take the solution and check out Bluelight's awesome guide to plugging here: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/247323-Anal-Administration-(Eneme-Plugging)-A-Complete-Guide

Hope this helps :) Also if you're not in a hurry, wait for other users to chime in, they may know more about your particular pill formulation and be able to give you better advice than me since I only have experience with MST Continus pills, the EU equivalent of MSContin.
 
Well I certainly have no interest in IV or smoking the pill, but is the whole liquid solution process necessary? From what I've heard from people who use the ER's (who aren't shooting them), they just say that crushing the pill suffices and that they get high from shaving the coating, crushing and insufflating. However morphine has never been around in my social circle so I know nothing about the administration.

From a cursory google search I'm seeing many reports of people asking about snorting the ABG morphine's and being told that it is possible, only requiring the removal of the coating and making sure the powder is fine. But I really have no clue, hence this thread :p

If it helps at all, here's the pill itself and it's info: http://www.drugs.com/imprints/abg-100-15734.html

As for tolerance, essentially none. I am on suboxone maintenance but I intend to stop them until the bupe is out of the system so I can try something new, then let that pass and start taking them again. (please, please no judgements on my decision, that's not what the thread is about)
 
I took a 30 mg pill with no tolerance and I just wanted to puke for 2 hours. It was miserable and there was no good feeling at all.
 
As I said I haven't had experience with that particular pill so I can't tell you if the method you mentioned is sufficient or not, I just know with those with wax type binding materials that significant heat is required to separate the Morphine from the time-release binders.

I respect that you only wish to experiment and try it the once and then go back to your maintenance schedule, and I'm not going to judge, I have plenty of experience with opiates and everyone has their own way of dealing with them, some need to avoid them entirely, some can dabble from time to time and get away with it, some chip here and there and maintain on Subs/Methadone the rest of the time - everyone is different, but as someone who's been through addiction myself I still have to say be careful. I don't think Morphine is going to be quite as temptation causing as some of the opiates/opioids you say you've used in the past but it's very easy to say "I'm just going to stop for this one try and get back on maintenance" and then it works out well so you say "Okay well in a couple of weeks I can do that again" and you can easily spiral out of control that way before you realise it - if you're a recovering addict you already know that all too well.

Just be careful and consider if it's worth the possible repercussions, this is a harm reduction site so no-one's going to advise you to stop your maintenance and go back to using harder opiates, but we can't stop you. I'd just advise giving it some time to think over if you're really going to be able to do it just the once and get away with it or if you even need to do it in the first place - if you're on bupe maintenance you can even just taper down your dosage until your tolerance is low enough that the bupe itself will make you feel good, and you'd be at less risk of a relapse that way.

Either way whatever you decide to do, have fun and stay safe, and make sure you know you're making the right decision before you do anything either way! If you have any more questions feel free to ask there are plenty way more experienced people here who can help you out a lot more than I can :)
 
I respect your response and the way you speak to me. I have been off of heroin for over five months and I've been around all kinds of opiates since, and I've been fine. I only want to try the morphine because of a certain degree of boredom in my life. I have a psychiatrist, therapist and then my sub doctor so I have structure in my life. Opiates in pills were not my thing anyway, heroin was what I fell in love with.

But anyway, what kind of dose should I consider if I'm going into it with minimum to no tolerance? Please answer for both an oral and nasal dose, jury is still out as to how I want to administer this

EDIT: Scratch the nasal, what is a good oral dose for a non tolerant person, but someone who has much past experience? Mind you I'll be taking off the coating, grinding the pill and then putting it in an empty supplement capsule.
 
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Well I decided that plugging it is probably what I'll do, I just did it for the first time with 3mg of clonazepam and it's hitting me much harder than when I take it orally or sublingually. To think that I ever doubted this method...
 
How much did you decide to take in the end out of curiosity? Yeah that's not surprising, oral is the most inefficient ROA of taking Morphine by a long way.
 
I am waiting to find out if the Morphine 30's available are ER or IR, but I still don't know. Otherwise I may turn to just a 100mg ER, seeing as my patience wears thin as my excitement grows.
 
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Morphine Sulfate does come in a 30mg immediate release formulation (MSIR), but most people Rx'ed Morphine get it in an extended release formula with something else for breakthrough pain. And insufflated morphine is the most ineffective route of administration at 10% bioavailability. Oral ingestion provides ~30% - even higher with larger doses.
 
Well I decided that plugging it is probably what I'll do, I just did it for the first time with 3mg of clonazepam and it's hitting me much harder than when I take it orally or sublingually. To think that I ever doubted this method...

You have no tolerance and yet you want to break the time release of a 100mg morphine pill and take it with 3mg of clonazepam?

Something doesn't sound right here and you would want to probably lay off with what you are mixing there. People die from that combo.
 
How much did you decide to take in the end out of curiosity? Yeah that's not surprising, oral is the most inefficient ROA of taking Morphine by a long way.

I could never understand for the life of me why hospitals and doctors hand out percocet like candy but get all frowny and scoffy when morphine is mentioned. It is a weaker opiate than oxy and less enters the blood stream orally. Probably has to do with the fact that percs have the APAP in it but still...
 
Back in 2009 I posted a thread called " Whats a recreational dose for morphine sulfate?" You may find the answer your looking for in that thread.
Sorry I would post a link but am using a phone and can't figure out how to.
 
Snorting Morphine would be close to ineffective, oral BA is terrible but even so; it's 2.5-3 times higher than intranasal.
 
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