• Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

Harm Reduction Finishing up 12 weeks in Hospital due to IV Complications (All Pill Shooters Read)

chase_in_56ace

Ex-Bluelighter
Joined
Aug 28, 2010
Messages
587
WARNING: Long and pretty detailed story about my consequences of using IV oxycodone filtered with cotton.
- Detailed account of being hospitalized with a condition that almost took my life. I'm not going to write this out all poetically as if for a novel...
- This is for you. The IV pill user, that doesn't believe it could happen to you. Because trust me. It was never gonna happen to me ;)

Diagnosis: Osteomyelitis of the Cervical Spine + Reactive Septic Arthritis

I was a heavy user of IV oxycodone from around September 2011 through January of 2013.

I did it for a relatively short time compared to other junkies I hung around with. I come from a medical background (am not an MD, nuff said) and was always very careful about sterilizing the injection site, keeping up with my hygiene, and not crossing certain lines.. even within my reckless endeavor of injecting oxycodone. It should be noted that I didn't use micron filters but always used sterile cotton of the highest quality I could obtain at the time. Towards the begining to mid 2012, my tolerance and addiction skyrocketed. My sterile technique and consistent hygiene practices steady declined.

I remember my first bouts of cotton fever. I knew after a few of these in a two month time that something was not right. I had never gotten cotton fever in the past and had always been extremely careful to not even reuse needles. I began to be a little more careful and rotated sites more frequently.. but I remember that last summer ('12) I had a lot of cotton fever. I lost weight. I went from a decently healthy 160lbs to a not-so-healthy 150ish. At some point I remember a two week period of chills and low-grade fevers. I swore to myself that if it didn't go away I'd go get checked out, despite some apparent tracks from the IV. It went away within that week. I never got checked out. Here's an obviously tragic turn.... because I'd put my money on this being the time when a horrible bacteria called "Serratia" entered my bloodstream and started to cause signs of bacteraemia. I wish I would have gotten checked out within July or Aug of last year. The signs were extremely subtle. It was largely a feeling of just knowing something wasn't right. By September, I had some SERIOUS cervical spine issues. My neck began to really do some funky stuff - I was having major pains that would come and go and randomly gaining and losing range of motion. The problem is I would gain the range of motion back, and the pain would eventually go away, just long enough to where I'd forget about the problem. Remember, I'm deep within the throws of addiction here.. I was really hoping this would go away. In my head, it seemed to have at least subsided enough for the time being. I just wanted to get high... and then All hell then breaks loose.

I know now that the Serratia was reaping total havoc in my body, as I woke up basically paralyzed in gunshot-like 11/10 pain coming out of my left SI joint. The Sacroiliatic joint is basically the joint that allows your legs to move side to side. Like an idiot with a massive IV oxycodone regimen I killed most of the pain and wasted away in bed living a meager existence until I had the balls to ask for help in the condition I was in. I was rushed to the hospital via ambulance/paramedics. Once I got there, an MRI of my lumbar spine and lower body revealed significant fluid build up of the SI joint. It was also massively inflammed. To this day this is the most pain I've ever felt in my 22 years on Earth. I'd take being stabbed with a butcher's knife to the hip without thinking twice before the pain of the SI problem I had.

Here's the first problem that really screwed me over...

After being admitted to the hospital and put on 4mg/IV Dilaudid every 3 hours and 1mg/IV Ativan every 6hrs, my SI joint was aspirated. The fluid was roughly 1CC of bloody, clear viscous substance that tested NEGATIVE for ANYTHING. Serratia did not grow when it was cultured. My blood was also free of any pathogens. They ruled out infection and for the next two weeks I was in the hospital, they looked and looked but didn't find any conclusive answer to why I had "Sacroilitis"... in slightly more laymans terms, I had a sudden inflammation of the left Sacroiliatic joint. "Reactive Arthritis." I kept asking them, "Reactive to what?" They had no answer. I left the hospital after 14 days with Indomethacin (strong NSAID usually prescribed to lessen inflammation and pain in arthritis and bursitis patients) that allowed me to WALK for the first time in over a month and a half. My leg muscles were weak, but in three days I was walking with significant pain. Nonetheless, in three days I was walking.

The medication almost gave me an ulcer. I left the hospital and resumed my downward slope within 3 weeks. My neck pain, significantly overshadowed by my SI problems, was definitely ever-increasing.

Although I had mentioned the pain in my neck to several doctors at the hospital, they were all extremely focused on figuring out my hip.None of them could feel the changes I'm sure were happening in my cervical spine every day. The pain was on the rise, and I swore I could feel something seriously depressing going on when I ran my hand along the backside of my neck. All of my doctors concluded they'd keep on an eye on what was essentially "nothing" at the time.

Meanwhile, the cessation of my Indomethacin meant my inflammation was back on the rise. More and more and more pain. Some days it felt like it was doubling. I was back to using a cane around Christmas and could barely walk with a cane by mid January. I was 140lbs. My ever increasing pain caused me to go see my Pain doctor to up my script of Roxy. Around this time, people began to notice that the back of my neck had either a boil or a large resin-like protrusion. It was very concerning. Doctors touched my neck and they thought it might just be a boil. I was sure it was my spine, but none of them could agree with me. A cervical spine MRI was ordered.

Worst day of my life.

Diskitis in my C5 and C6.
Gasps from the Radiologists.
My old infectious disease team from my last hospitalization ran to greet me: "Hey buddy. Another two weeks and we don't stop this diskitis.. you'll probably be a paraplegic."

After aspirating some fluid around the suffering bodies of my Vertebrae that had been eaten alive by the Serratia, blood cultures confirmed I had Osteomyelitis. My spine was infected with this horrible bacteria. Because I had infection of the bone, I needed 12 weeks of antibiotics to clear it up. Because of my past history with IV drugs, they wouldn't let me leave the hospital with a PICC. I had to stay for the full 84 days. Today is day 80 as I'm writing this from the hospital.

I just felt a need to share my story and what I'm going through specifically with the OD section of BL because of how many IV tablet users there are in here. Many of us see the IV complication thread and... if you're like me... think "Thank God my technique includes this, this, and this. Thank God I am safe." No, you are not safe. IV is by far the most dangerous route of drug administration by far. The chance to die from it is very real. I was 120lbs my first hospitalization, and today I thank God I am completely healthy and 175lbs. But my fight is just beginning.

I will have a Cervical Spinal Fusion in 3 weeks.
I am on 200mcg of Fentanyl and 3mg/3hrs Dilaudid IV just to be able to sit up and eat breakfast. I also take 30mg of Roxy every 4 hours and Ativan for the muscle spasms. For me, this is way past nodding out and having fun. I can barely function on these many meds but the pain is absolutely ridiculous.

Thanks to the members that have sent me support through my PMs after my original thread (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/665235-Tapering-Cutting-down-Lorazepam-in-the-Hospital) was posted. Sorry I haven't had a chance to respond, but I've been fighting rigorously for my life and am finally at the point where I can say I have a grasp on my health.

Anyone that has any questions related to contracting organic pathogens during IV use can safely ask them here. I am still in the hospital and if need-be can get many questions answered. I hope some of you learned something from my story, even if a lot of you are going to say "just use a micron filter." The point is - there is no guarantee. And when someone asks me.... short of death.... I believe I paid a HEAVY price for shooting blues.


- Peace, love
 
Very sorry to hear this and good luck with your spinal fusion. Hopefully your story will deter other people who must IV pills from using anything but micron filters.
 
Last edited:
Fuck dude im sorry to hear that. Sounds like your going to mske a full recovery though.
 
Fuck dude im sorry to hear that. Sounds like your going to mske a full recovery though.

Absolutely :) That's the plan. I would love to take some questions though I'm seriously chalk full of medical/ IV drug-related infection knowledge.
 
Yeah if you are dead set on main lining oxycodone then I highly suggest investing in a micron filter
But to be honest it's way not worth it, oral is almost always the way to go ime

Started with oral, then nasal for a while, then iv a few times and after all of that, plus forming a substantial H habit at the time I concluded if I ever ran into any oxy, I would always just eat them on an empty stomach, then after you have your cig when feeling the first effects eat a fatty warm meal

The meal, for some raisin, always intensified effects, sometimes by at least 3 fold
Only opiate I ever used that worked that way...

Oh and after the meal, a nice bowl pack of ganja will potentiate the oxy even more

Tldr: don't shoot pills w/out a micron filter and I'm glad you're going to be ok, op
 
Just as an update, I'm clean for the most part now. I am looking back on this thread for a friend who is going to the hospital tomorrow to treat his 3rd abscess in 6 months. He's compulsively shooting a-pvp.

I now live with serious pain for the rest of my life and never had them smash through my c spine for the anterior lamenectomy (*shudders*). Love you guys. Thanks for helping me thru everything.


-chase
 
I read this entire post but I am unsure how long you believe the 'Osteomyelitis of the Cervical Spine + Reactive Septic Arthritis' was in your system before receiving treatment?

glad you're doing better.
 
I read this entire post but I am unsure how long you believe the 'Osteomyelitis of the Cervical Spine + Reactive Septic Arthritis' was in your system before receiving treatment?

glad you're doing better.

Thanks bro. Probably two to three months but no one can really say exactly when it developed. That's just how long I went ignoring symptoms
 
Yeah, something similar but thankfully less severe than this happened to me. I never did drugs and didn't even drink much until I was 26 and my doctor began prescribing me 100+ 5/325 Percocet every month for migraines. Needless to say, that didn't end well. 2-3 years after taking my first Percs, I was IVing any opiate I could get my hands on. Getting hundreds of thousands of dollars on student loans and bank loans at the exact same time (for pharmacy school, ironically enough) didn't help. The upshot of all this is that after going through the common progression of swallowing pills to railing to shooting to IVing and finally to IVing heroin and other street drugs, I flunked out of school, lost all my friends, and owe about four hundred thousand dollars in loans and related debt. None of that really matters as much to me now, because at least I'm alive. I had two friends die in the few years I was a hopeless addict.

Anyway, my story which has relevance to this topic - I had noticed my knee was hurting pretty badly when I got up in the morning. It got progressively worse, and the pain began to descend down my leg. Over the next 2 weeks, I went to - I swear - TWELVE different doctors, none of whom correctly diagnosed me. My family doctor (the one who initially prescribed me the pills, and knew to some extent of my addiction by this point) told me it was gout. One day, I woke up literally unable to move. My leg was swollen to twice its size down to the foot, and extremely red. I went to another clinic, and the doctor told me to get to the hospital ASAP. In the ER, they gave me Vancomycin which is one of the strongest and most broad-spectrum antibiotics that exist. They took fluid samples in my knee (itself a hellish process, as the ER doctor was new and had to jab his 5 inch needle into my knee joint no less than ten times before he actually obtained the joint fluid needed). I was told that my knee was septic - from IV injections - and that in the past two weeks, the infection had spread through my leg and into my foot. They said that if I had waited another 2 or 3 days to come in, I would have died. I had to be put under general anesthetic for an emergency surgery to open up and flush out my knee. They had to cancel and postpone an elderly woman's hip fracture surgery to get me in on time.

Thankfully, the bacteria causing the problem was only common Staph auereus. I had to stay in the hospital for the next five days with IV antibiotics, other meds and a PCA of hydromorphone (which did absolutely nothing for me, since each dose was only something like half a mg). Very fortunately, I left the hospital five days later with full function and motion returned to my leg and no lasting damage. That said, what I did next really epitomizes the absolute hell and control that an opiate addiction can have on you -

As soon as I got home, I crushed and shot up an 8 mg Dilaudid. I couldn't wait to do it the entire time I was in the hospital.

Oh yeah - one other thing which I'm certain was caused by IVing pills: at a routine eye exam, my optometrist examined the pictures of my retinas as usual, and told me that there was a spot on one of them that looked as if it could be a tear. Examining my old scans, that spot had thinned and atrophied over the past few years. I had to go to a retina specialist. When I first came in to see him, he told me not to worry, and that it was "very unlikely" to be a retinal tear at my age, especially since I had no history of trauma or playing contact sports. When he began to properly examine my eye, he told me that not only was it a tear, but it was located in the worst possible spot; he said that it wasn't a matter of IF my retina as a whole would detach because of it, but WHEN. So I had to get my retina lasered - a beam powerful enough to vaporize and cauterize the retina in a circle around the damage in order to lessen the chances of a detachment (analogous to sealing peeling wallpaper so moisture can't get in behind it and detach the entire thing). He told me not to worry; that only about 10% of people have pain sensors in their retina, so it wouldn't hurt. Bull. Fucking. Shit. Being held down while his high powered laser literally burned my retinal tissue (which I could also easily smell as the laser destroyed it), was one of the most painful experiences ever. That whole situation was also very likely caused by fine particulate buildup in the tiny blood vessels of my retina, causing blockage of blood floow and eventual atrophy.
 
Last edited:
So you didnt do it properly why should this apply to us smarter users?
 
So you didnt do it properly why should this apply to us smarter users?

wow... you are about as receptive as a bag of fucking rocks. The fact that you even ask this question implies you are by no means a: "smarter user." IVing a pill is NEVER a SMART idea. There is not now and there never has been a 100% SAFE way to inject a pill. There are ways to minimize risk, but there is no way to make it safe, THUS anybody who has ever IVed a pill is by definition not "smart users." And I include myself in that. I have injected pills but I have known full well the dangers of it and the consequences that come along with them. Yet I continued to do it anyways.

My guess is you are young and have not been playing the game for long. Because snotty little comments like that really show how little wisdom you truly have. The are no "smart users" because at the end of the day we all lose, and lose big. It may not have happened to you yet, but continue to live this lifestyle and I promise you, that you won't feel very fucking smart for long.
 
I was diagnosed with reactive arthritis at age 11. I understand your pain, as now at 24 I'm living with Ankylosing Spondylitis. You will sadly get used to your daily pain, and accept it as part of your life. I also got an abscess from iving oxy at age 16, partially due to my compromised immune system. I was foolish enough to keep using afterwards, but luckily quit doing it after a few months after they removed my abscess.

When I was first diagnosed with reactive arthritis, it was originally in my knees. I was 11 with knees the size of cantaloupes. They attempted to drain it using a large needle and digging under my knee cap, but found nothing. It was multiple years before I was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylarthropathy--a type of arthritis that occurs in all my large/small joints, but mostly attacks the spine and overtime causes it to fuse together. I think growing up with it, I accepted it as simply part of my life and barely remember not being in pain. In fact, I wasn't given pain medicine until this year after 13 fucking years. In many ways, getting it later in life is better because they will actually treat your pain. I'm sorry that you are now among the ranks of us gimps, and I hope that your reactive arthritis will not be permanent--as most cases dissipate after 6 months.

Many times the reason people get reactive arthritis is due to a gene, B27 I believe, which it makes it more likely to occur.

Anyway, if you want to talk or vent to someone who understands To some extent what you're going through, feel free to message me.

I hope you are feeling a bit better. Again, I'm sorry you've gotten this rotten disease.
 
wow... you are about as receptive as a bag of fucking rocks. The fact that you even ask this question implies you are by no means a: "smarter user." IVing a pill is NEVER a SMART idea. There is not now and there never has been a 100% SAFE way to inject a pill. There are ways to minimize risk, but there is no way to make it safe, THUS anybody who has ever IVed a pill is by definition not "smart users." And I include myself in that. I have injected pills but I have known full well the dangers of it and the consequences that come along with them. Yet I continued to do it anyways.

My guess is you are young and have not been playing the game for long. Because snotty little comments like that really show how little wisdom you truly have. The are no "smart users" because at the end of the day we all lose, and lose big. It may not have happened to you yet, but continue to live this lifestyle and I promise you, that you won't feel very fucking smart for long.

Calm down bro, micron filtering and IR pill is pretty damn safe compared to just filtering with cotton, like 10fold safer.
 
Calm down bro, micron filtering and IR pill is pretty damn safe compared to just filtering with cotton, like 10fold safer.

I agree "safer" not safe. My issue is not with people injecting pills like I said I have done and so have most of the people on this board. It was his rude comment that set me off.
 
I agree "safer" not safe. My issue is not with people injecting pills like I said I have done and so have most of the people on this board. It was his rude comment that set me off.

Okay but is injection drug use in a non hospital setting ever going to be totally safe? Of course not but when it comes to injecting pills, a micron filter makes all the difference. Even injecting substances made for IV use has its dangers if sterile and proper injection technique isn't followed, but that's all we can do to make it as safe as possible. In the case of injecting pills, micron filters are a necessity to substantially decrease possible complications and make it relatively safe.
 
Last edited:
Okay but is injection drug use in a non hospital setting ever going to be totally safe? Of course not but when it comes to injecting pills, a micron filter makes all the difference. Even injecting substances made for IV use has it's dangers if sterile and proper injection technique isn't followed, but that's all we can do to make it as safe as possible. In the case of injecting pills, micron filters are a necessity to substantially decrease possible complications and make it relatively safe.

Like I said, you might want to refer to the quote in my original rant. My issue is with the poster that I quoted. His post was a little too "holier than thou" for my liking. Especially when these people came on to this site telling their stories in the interest of harm reduction, which is the point of this board. Are you telling me that: "So you didn't do it properly why should this apply to us smarter users?" does that not sound like a dickhead thing to say?
 
No it sounds like an honest and vile thing to say your last post is the only one I can make out as the others are just abuse spamming mess If you cannot take criticism please refrain from socialising.
 
There's a big difference between criticism and sanctimonious assholery.
 
So you didnt do it properly why should this apply to us smarter users?
Yeah. This dude is posting this to help people become more aware of the dangers of injecting pills. Most people - including myself- do NOT completely follow safe injection procedure... and posts like this can save a life. Sarcastic posts like yours contribute nothing to the topic.

OP, thanks for sharing your difficult experience with us. I hope you overcome this situation and are wiser and stronger because of it.
 
Last edited:
Top