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Daley backs plan for pot tickets
September 22, 2004
BY FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN Staff Reporters
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Mayor Daley on Tuesday embraced a police sergeant's scheme to raise money for the city budget by ticketing people caught with small amounts of marijuana, but opponents are already taking shots at the controversial plan.
Daley emphasized that most charges involving small amounts of pot are thrown out in the state court system in Chicago.
"If 99 percent of the cases are all thrown out and you have a police officer going, why? Why do we arrest the individual, seize the marijuana, [go] to court and they're all thrown out? It costs you a lot of money for police officers to go to court.
"It's decriminalized now," the mayor added. "Sometimes a fine is worse than being thrown out of court."
Afterward, a mayoral spokesman would only say the proposal by Wentworth District Sgt. Tom Donegan is "under review."
Fraternal Order of Police president Mark Donahue acknowledged too many cases involving small quantities of marijuana are "pitched at the initial hearing." But FOP members stand to lose thousands of dollars in court overtime if the city starts ticketing marijuana users instead of jailing them, he said.
Also, "it's an issue of moral or societal acceptance whether to do that," Donahue said.
The Drug Policy Alliance, which calls for an end to criminalizing marijuana possession and is backed by billionaire financier-philanthropist George Soros, was not ready to endorse the proposal either.
"If they charge the same as a parking ticket, I think that's OK," said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the alliance.
But fines could create an incentive for officers to become more aggressive in busting pot smokers, which happened in Australia when fines were substituted for potential jail time, Nadelmann said.
And fines ranging from $250 for 10 grams of pot to $1,000 for 20 to 30 grams -- which Donegan recommended in his proposal to top Chicago Police brass last week -- would place a huge burden on the young and poor likely to get hit with most of the tickets, Nadelmann added.
States and cities have taken widely different approaches to dealing with marijuana possession. Ohio has one of the more lenient laws: a $100 fine with no jail time for possession of up to 100 grams of pot. That law was enacted in the 1980s.
In September 2003, 58 percent of Seattle voters approved an initiative relaxing enforcement against adults possessing 40 grams of marijuana or less for personal use. The initiative instructed police to make pot arrests their lowest law-enforcement priority. Marijuana prosecutions have plummeted, officials say.
But in New York, arrests for petty pot possession have soared in the last decade, part of a crackdown on quality-of-life offenses. Arrests jumped from a few thousand a year in the early 1990s under Mayor David Dinkins to tens of thousands a year under current Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Nadelmann said.
In Chicago, Donegan said he came up with his proposal to fine people caught with less than 30 grams of pot because he was frustrated at seeing his cases get dismissed.
He reviewed court records from last year that showed 94 percent of the 6,954 marijuana cases involving less than 2.5 grams were dismissed; 81 percent of the 6,945 cases involving 2.5 grams to 10 grams, and 52 percent of the 1,261 cases involving 10 to 30 grams.
A city can adopt its own ordinance setting out fines for marijuana possession, like Darien does in DuPage County. In Darien, officers can either write a ticket or make a misdemeanor arrest under state law.
Donegan estimated Chicago could have collected at least $5 million in fines last year under his proposal.
"I have had a lot of positive response from other officers because they are tired of the revolving door at the courts and would like to see more done with their arrests."
Prosecutors who have worked in misdemeanor courts in Cook County said marijuana cases most often fall apart because an officer does not show up at the initial appearance or a state police lab technician does not show up at trial.
"Most misdemeanor assistant state's attorneys have a difficult time justifying requiring a police officer and a lab tech to appear in court for the better part of an afternoon for $12 worth of weed. It just doesn't make sense," said one former misdemeanor prosecutor.
September 22, 2004
BY FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN Staff Reporters
Advertisement
Mayor Daley on Tuesday embraced a police sergeant's scheme to raise money for the city budget by ticketing people caught with small amounts of marijuana, but opponents are already taking shots at the controversial plan.
Daley emphasized that most charges involving small amounts of pot are thrown out in the state court system in Chicago.
"If 99 percent of the cases are all thrown out and you have a police officer going, why? Why do we arrest the individual, seize the marijuana, [go] to court and they're all thrown out? It costs you a lot of money for police officers to go to court.
"It's decriminalized now," the mayor added. "Sometimes a fine is worse than being thrown out of court."
Afterward, a mayoral spokesman would only say the proposal by Wentworth District Sgt. Tom Donegan is "under review."
Fraternal Order of Police president Mark Donahue acknowledged too many cases involving small quantities of marijuana are "pitched at the initial hearing." But FOP members stand to lose thousands of dollars in court overtime if the city starts ticketing marijuana users instead of jailing them, he said.
Also, "it's an issue of moral or societal acceptance whether to do that," Donahue said.
The Drug Policy Alliance, which calls for an end to criminalizing marijuana possession and is backed by billionaire financier-philanthropist George Soros, was not ready to endorse the proposal either.
"If they charge the same as a parking ticket, I think that's OK," said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the alliance.
But fines could create an incentive for officers to become more aggressive in busting pot smokers, which happened in Australia when fines were substituted for potential jail time, Nadelmann said.
And fines ranging from $250 for 10 grams of pot to $1,000 for 20 to 30 grams -- which Donegan recommended in his proposal to top Chicago Police brass last week -- would place a huge burden on the young and poor likely to get hit with most of the tickets, Nadelmann added.
States and cities have taken widely different approaches to dealing with marijuana possession. Ohio has one of the more lenient laws: a $100 fine with no jail time for possession of up to 100 grams of pot. That law was enacted in the 1980s.
In September 2003, 58 percent of Seattle voters approved an initiative relaxing enforcement against adults possessing 40 grams of marijuana or less for personal use. The initiative instructed police to make pot arrests their lowest law-enforcement priority. Marijuana prosecutions have plummeted, officials say.
But in New York, arrests for petty pot possession have soared in the last decade, part of a crackdown on quality-of-life offenses. Arrests jumped from a few thousand a year in the early 1990s under Mayor David Dinkins to tens of thousands a year under current Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Nadelmann said.
In Chicago, Donegan said he came up with his proposal to fine people caught with less than 30 grams of pot because he was frustrated at seeing his cases get dismissed.
He reviewed court records from last year that showed 94 percent of the 6,954 marijuana cases involving less than 2.5 grams were dismissed; 81 percent of the 6,945 cases involving 2.5 grams to 10 grams, and 52 percent of the 1,261 cases involving 10 to 30 grams.
A city can adopt its own ordinance setting out fines for marijuana possession, like Darien does in DuPage County. In Darien, officers can either write a ticket or make a misdemeanor arrest under state law.
Donegan estimated Chicago could have collected at least $5 million in fines last year under his proposal.
"I have had a lot of positive response from other officers because they are tired of the revolving door at the courts and would like to see more done with their arrests."
Prosecutors who have worked in misdemeanor courts in Cook County said marijuana cases most often fall apart because an officer does not show up at the initial appearance or a state police lab technician does not show up at trial.
"Most misdemeanor assistant state's attorneys have a difficult time justifying requiring a police officer and a lab tech to appear in court for the better part of an afternoon for $12 worth of weed. It just doesn't make sense," said one former misdemeanor prosecutor.
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