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Finding your maximum opiate dose?

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soupynoodle

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I understand the process; jut adding a bit each time until you reach it, but how should I feel to draw the line? For example, 15mg of oxy will require me to fight to stay awake, but I can stay awake with effort. Is this, given my current tolerance, my maximum dose?
 
Everyone is different, ya know.

If 15mg has you fighting to stay awake, cut back a few mgs instead of increasing. At least decreasing can give you an idea of what it does to your body (relieve pain, buzz, etc).

And don't toss any other meds in the mix, especially benzos. Your tolerance sounds super low on 15 mg.

I wish I could go back to a 15mg tolerance. Enjoy.
 
yep fighting to stay awake is probably as far as you wanna go, because if you go past that, you just pass out you know

for me the line between nodding hard and falling asleep is very thin and i believe the line between falling asleep and dying is even thinner

be careful
 
You dont wanna go near the "becoming unconsious" or falling asleep state cause first off its dangerous and most importantly,you dont get to enjoy the euphoric effects of the drug.Dosing,nodding out for like half an hour and then waking up the next morning with no drugs in you means you just missed the experience and that is no fun right?

Id say cut your current dose in half,wait until the full effects are prolly reached,then if ur not satisfied yet,redose responsibly!
 
soupynoodle said:
I understand the process; jut adding a bit each time until you reach it, but how should I feel to draw the line? For example, 15mg of oxy will require me to fight to stay awake, but I can stay awake with effort. Is this, given my current tolerance, my maximum dose?
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I´ve taken over 500 mg and it didn´t really work as I expected, but that´s me.
I use methadone so it blocks the effects. Even if I use morphine.
At high doses you get a very quick rush.
I used to parachute the 40 mgs so to get immediate release.
It´s difficult to find it nowadays, unless you get those IR with tylenol or similar included
 
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LilikoiMoon said:
Everyone is different, ya know.

If 15mg has you fighting to stay awake, cut back a few mgs instead of increasing. At least decreasing can give you an idea of what it does to your body (relieve pain, buzz, etc).

And don't toss any other meds in the mix, especially benzos. Your tolerance sounds super low on 15 mg.

I wish I could go back to a 15mg tolerance. Enjoy.
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Yes, m2.
 
I've said this story many times, but every time this question is asked, I feel compelled to tell it again.

When I was 17, I wanted to see how fast I could slam on my brakes, and NOT crash my car. The answer is 35mph because I crashed when doing it at 37mph.

Lesson: the only way to find out what your maximum dose is, is by going over it. I hope you never find out your maximum dose.
 
Why would you want to do this? Enjoy the low dose it takes for you to get a buzz man. In fact i suggest lowering your dose and looking up potentiation techniques in order to keep your tolerance low!

In my experience if you are fighting to stay awake the high doesn't get much better than that. If you're nodding you have the right dose, imo
 
Btw I have 0 tolerance; I use maybe twice a month max. I have tried the low doses before and got to this point. I was just wondering if anyone had experience going past this stage. Would I nod at this stage if I didn't try to stay awake? Or just pass out for the night? And yeah I have redosed when it starts wearing off; IME it's not worth it because I just don't get that mind blowing rush.
 
lazylazyjoe said:
I've said this story many times, but every time this question is asked, I feel compelled to tell it again.

When I was 17, I wanted to see how fast I could slam on my brakes, and NOT crash my car. The answer is 35mph because I crashed when doing it at 37mph.

Lesson: the only way to find out what your maximum dose is, is by going over it. I hope you never find out your maximum dose.
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Great answer.
 
There is an easy way to do this with harm reduction in mind.

Starting with a dose and raising it in minor increments over time would be the safest way.

But with that method the tolerance would be raised so the maximum dose would be constantly changing as well, depending how far apart and how long it was used for.

A faster but more dangerous way would be to experiment with a much higher dose than usual, compare it to other people's similar experiences, and then experiment. With this method to keep harm reduction in mind, having a sober sitter with some CPR training, a phone in case of emergencies, and some Naloxone on hand would be ideal, just in case of overdose.

Usually with an opiate overdose the big risk is respiratory depression, the slowing of breath, which isn't a problem at all actually, as all it means is the breathing is slowed, which happens all the time depending on physical activity (or lack therefor of) and relaxation for example. It only becomes a problem when breathing becomes too slow to maintain the heart pumping, which then leads to lack of blood to the brain, which means death. The other risk of opiate overdose and the most common death is from vomiting and and the vomit obstructs airways, which leads to the heart no longer pumping, then brain death, same as respiratory depression in essence. Basically with an opiate antagonist the respiratory depression should be reversible quite quickly incase of overdose. The emergency services on hand can also simulate artificial breathing till the drug wears off, among other methods to stop death from this type of overdose.

Thing is usually the most intense highs are right at that point between being dangerous and safe, hence I suppose the desire to reach such a state, but sadly, there's no real method that can tell you that number, maybe one day such technology will exist.

One last thing is although overdoses can happen, they are not nearly as common as people purport them to be, and based on some knowledge I've attained, it seems most people who do OD are in a bad state of mind and much more prone to risk taking behavior, that, or suicidal.

Either way, my advice would be to start small and slowly raise it over time, realize that the "greatest high" really isn't much different from a basic safe one, and isn't really worth the risk, but if insistent, make sure a sitter is present, in a safe warm place, and in a good state of mind.
 
lazylazyjoe said:
I've said this story many times, but every time this question is asked, I feel compelled to tell it again.

When I was 17, I wanted to see how fast I could slam on my brakes, and NOT crash my car. The answer is 35mph because I crashed when doing it at 37mph.

Lesson: the only way to find out what your maximum dose is, is by going over it. I hope you never find out your maximum dose.
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There may one day be a way to know the exact safe amounts based on specific conditions. I imagine a device that could check breathing rates, heart rates, tolerance, allergies, interactions, existing drugs in the system, as well as many other factors like liver health, temperature, etc, could be created to give this information. However when science & technology get to that point, it seems there would likely be drugs that are impossible to overdose on, that also have no negative side effects, so it would be a moot invention at any rate.

Still it is possible with current technology and scientific understanding to get a pretty accurate idea, it just isn't feasible for the average user to have access to it. Analyzing what an overdose is and what point it occurs could be a pretty simple process. If for example respiratory depression was the issue, breathing rates could somehow be recorded at various doses, then a limit could be reached and the information collected. With enough data from enough people, a computer program could then generate fairly accurate information as to what is the maximum safe dosage is, simply by inputting data like age, weight, tolerance levels* (*which would be require another large amount of data to realize), etc.

Yet, even with that data, you'd still have to consider the purity of each substance, which would drastically change results. In a sane world, all drugs would be legalized, pure, with information about them sold alongside each purchase, much how prescription drugs are already handled, but we sadly still live in the Dark Ages in this regard. No, much better to have a drug user purchase an unknown substance at difficult to know economic value, and utilize said substance without any knowledge about its effects, side effects, interactions, or even an idea as to how to use it properly and what doses are safe.

Again, I'll simply say that a maximum dose really isn't worth investigating, because the effects won't be drastically different from a lower dose, but the risks are much higher.
 
I just don't have enough experience, I guess. It just doesn't seem like I should be able to walk around and function completely normally on a "maximum" dose. That sounds dumb, I know, but shouldn't it at least couch lock me?
 
More is not always better. Whats the reason for finding the absolute most you deal with. There also seems to be a very real problem if you fuck it up.

Also taking the max dose just sky rockets tolerance. If your going to play this game the more time spent in a pleasurable experience the better. Why rush the end game as its misery.

The maximum safe dose for opiates is not pleasurable. It slips into OD and people get sick. Its amusing how the tables turn, once someone has a long enough habit they no longer get lit, so its all about finding the lowest so cheapest dose they can take to feal normal.
 
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