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Film: World Trade Center

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there is a difference between a massive, collective traumatic event that permanently reshapes much of the discourse of a society and your neighbor dying of cancer. both are tragedies. one is more traumatic to people as a group than the other.

i want to see this film. i'm from new york, as well. i still think about what happened, but as long as the material is approached respectfully and without too much hype, flag waving or fist shaking i think stone could pull this off.

btw souny... telling someone there is something wrong with them for stating a legtimate opinion held by millions of people is kind of fucked up. its not like xena was calling for banning or boycotting this movie. she just said she doesn't want to see it and thinks its fucked up.
 
3/5
Nice film with very limited appeal.

It manages to keep a tight drama in spite of it being simply a couple of guys trapped under rubble for about 100 mins of it's run time, much of which is also shared with cuts to the families of each man and some flashbacks, which, while my partner thought were just time fillers, i took for more of the mind set of the trapped men.
The men were played as i had hoped they would be, that is, they were just as frail as they were brave. Few things put me off more than a serious drama passing characters with overly heroic and patriotic rubbish. The marine in this can be seen that way, but to me, his over the top patriotism and religiousness showed an ossessive disorder more than any heroic factor, but i'm afraid the general audience won't see that deeply into him.
The wives got quite annoying at times, just lashing out at those around them, but in their shoes, it's hard to say how one would act.

Excellent production with a good cast but with a story of excessive simplicity makes for a good film, but not a great one.

With brief moments of Oliver Stone's trademark hard edge, his latest two films just seem "too soft" in comparison to his previous work.
 
I just came back from seeing World Trade Center and I must say its the funniest movie since the Passion of the Christ. The only complaint I have is that I could barely hear over all the laughs in the crowd.
 
get a large popcorn combo and receive a free oversized flaming WTC collectors cup!
 
hey its been 5 years since the tragedies. time for hollywood to start pumping out movies and making some $ off it..
 
How do you review a movie that you ethically believe shouldn't have been made?

Well... firstly, you don't admit to actually putting in the effort to see it at the cinema nor spending money to see it in such a venue. Nor do you even admit to spending money at a rental shop. Instead, you surreptitiously slide in an anecdote about how your local grocery has a DVD vending machine and how you can hire DVD's for £1 per six hours (seriously... it's actually quite cool).

So anyway, in the absence of any other release, I hired this last night. In short, it's massively overcooked. It takes an emotive subject and tries to create a fitting tribute to those who were professionally obliged to grasp the shitty end of the stick. I think it possibly succeeds in demonstrating the hyperbole that came out of that day: heroism, sacrifice, terror... but in the process, it perhaps loses some credibility by buying into the razzmatazz and certainly loses impact by some frankly terrible scriptwriting.

There's far too many lingering slow-mo's (a pet peeve of mine), and waaaay too many reaction shots. In this way, Stone took the easy way out - he chose to tell what is essentially a narrative story that attempts to reflect the 'initial reaction' of shock and confusion of that day... but with very little else to support it. There was no real attempt to tell the stories of the buried men's characters. They're just random people who get trapped under the rubble. I feel it would have worked much, much better had we been introduced comprehensively to the lives of the men, with the terrorist act being nothing more than a random event that intruded in their lives. That would have at least made me care.

But Stone chose not to. Instead, the characterisation took place over the 100-or-so minutes of them being trapped through some god-awful flashback scenes which, I presume, were supposed to evoke some empathy to both their and the wives' predicament - the over-exposed light, the intentionally warm and clean colours in contrast to the men's environment. It didn't particularly work. Especially considering that the flashbacks basically laboured the same points over and over and over again throughout that 100 minutes. Although it perhaps reflects the seemingly never-ending anguish that those hours must have been for all concerned, it unfortunately comes across as overcooked and even slightly patronising when in celluloid form. They deserved to be part of a CSI Miami episode.

I also thought the dialogue between the trapped men was a little hokey and the occasional use of humour was entirely misplaced. Again, I return to that thought about the film reflecting the 'initial reaction' of the day. Perhaps when faced with disaster, New York's finest actually revert to speaking in clichés? Maybe that's what people really do when faced with tragedy? Or perhaps the true reality of the day is too unbearable to witness, so we choose to use hindsight with an element of rose-tinted spectacles?

There were other aspects of the film that just didn't 'fit'. Suicide? Gun going off randomly?

And what the hell was wrong with that marine?
L2R said:
Few things put me off more than a serious drama passing characters with overly heroic and patriotic rubbish. The marine in this can be seen that way, but to me, his over the top patriotism and religiousness showed an obsessive disorder more than any heroic factor, but i'm afraid the general audience won't see that deeply into him.
Hmmmm... maybe. I suppose in some ways, the marine could also symbolise the element of American society that pulled together in the crisis, but whose thoughts turned inevitably to vengeance - an embodiment of that inimitably American authoritarianism?

The only problem with any of those explanations is that the film was so achingly two-dimensional, that reading either of those two qualities into the character seems somewhat... hopeful? As much as I wanted there to be some 'meaningful' reason for his bizarre character, I couldn't escape the feeling that searching for a reason was actually an apologistic act to mitigate what is simply a case of dire, dire, cliché-ridden scriptwriting.
"We're the marines... YOU ARE our mission... hut, hut..."

"They're gonna need some good men out there to avenge this..."
Give me strength. 8):|

Oh, oh... wait... my absolute favourite bizarro moment was:
"It's as though God put up a screen of smoke to prevent us from seeing something we are not yet ready to see."
Uh... OK, if you say so Mr "Staff Sergeant". I'm just going to continue unravelling my firehose while you pull back God's curtain. Oh, and Staff Sergeant, don't forget to explain examples of symbolism at every opportunity, will you now? Perhaps when you find the buried John McLoughlin, you could point at him and say in your monotonous voice something profound like: "you being buried under this rubble is like America's innocence being brought to an end". Or not.

Fucking weird.

If it wasn't Stone directing, I'd have been tempted to suggest that the marine character was a "focus-group inclusion" - a device that had been included at the producer's/studio's request to satisfy the moron demographic.

Despite all that, the film is punctuated with some absolutely beautiful cinematography and shots. The shots of the aftermath and clear-up are quite striking. There's also a few of Stone's trademark spiritual/druggie aspects (the shot of "Jesus" is very weird and actually tripped me out despite being entirely sober); and a couple of conspiracy angles that are sprinkled very conservatively throughout the film ("missile" hitting the pentagon, "implosion" of buildings) - all of which could be reasonably defended as further demonstrations of the film attempting to reflect the 'initial reaction' and confusion of the day.

In short, don't bother... unless you find one of these super-cool DVD vending machines! ;)
 
Dear tambo,

felixdahousekat said:
Ummmmm...

worst. film. ever.

unless you *like* half of a film being set in darkness with people being trapped under a building, spouting cliches to each other?

VERY disappointed with it, i actually fast forwarded quite a lot of it because i had lost the will to live. i can't believe oliver stone and nic cage had anything to do with it, they are usually a sign of quality.

but hey, you'll watch it anyway. report back later so i can say 'i told you so'. :\

Told you so. :)

The end.

xxx
 
i want a dvd vending machine!
But if it's rental, how does one return a dvd?
 
Oh, I forgot to say, tambo - the reason this thread was mysteriously bumped yesterday was because I looked it up before I wrote my 'review' above, and gave it my vote. Unfortunately there isn't an option for 0 stars so I reluctantly gave it an undeserved 1 out of 5. ;)=D
 
Not a great movie, but it definitely captured what it was like to be on the "home front" of a family waiting for news. It was so close that I felt uncomfortable at times.

and a couple of conspiracy angles that are sprinkled very conservatively throughout the film ("missile" hitting the pentagon, "implosion" of buildings) - all of which could be reasonably defended as further demonstrations of the film attempting to reflect the 'initial reaction' and confusion of the day.

I think confusion would be the most likely explanation. The wild rumors that never panned out that day were numerous and constant (car bombs around DC, Washington Monument, etc.)

suppose in some ways, the marine could also symbolise the element of American society that pulled together in the crisis, but whose thoughts turned inevitably to vengeance - an embodiment of that inimitably American authoritarianism?

More like an embodiment of people incredibly pissed off at having thousands killed and parts of major cities destroyed. Bah, I'll STFU, this isn't CEP. :)
 
L2R said:
i want a dvd vending machine!
But if it's rental, how does one return a dvd?
It's takes... as well as gives!

You insert your debit card, choose a film, tap your PIN into it, and it takes a £1 deposit from your account. The DVD pops out of this little slidey slot thing in a clear DVD case with the centre missing. Each DVD has a circular barcode that is visible through the hole in the DVD case.

When you bring the film back, you insert the same debit card that you paid the deposit on, it recognises the card, shows the films that you have on loan, and then gives you the option to return it. You tap in your PIN again, stick the DVD (in it's case) into the slidey slot thing, it reads the barcode as a successful return, then takes further payment from your card dependant on how long you had the DVD for. If you return it in under 6 hours, there's no further fee. 12 hours, they take another quid. 24 hours, they take a further £2. Go AWOL with it... and I guess they drain your account.

I suppose there is the potential for stealing the DVD... perhaps by peeling the barcode off and putting it on some other DVD-like object... perhaps a thinly-sliced potato or some such other cheap alternative.

But who actually steals the physical DVD these days? Easier just to rip a copy! :D

I hope that satisfies your curiosity, lefty. I can go and take a picture of the DVD vending machine if you want? I'm sure the owner won't think me any more of an oddball for doing so, not after I already went in there tripping and refused to make eye contact with him despite having a conversation about shelves (don't ask).
 
I've just remembered that I saw a DVD rental machine outside on the street in Paris. On the outside of a building, like an ATM.

\end fascinating story
 
^i think i'm gonna start a bluelight set sitcom called "everyone hates felix" :p

tambourine-man said:
I suppose there is the potential for stealing the DVD... perhaps by peeling the barcode off and putting it on some other DVD-like object... perhaps a thinly-sliced potato or some such other cheap alternative.

Like Nicole Ritchie's tits, for example?

I hope that satisfies your curiosity, lefty.

Very much so. Cheers Tambo! :D


back on point, i hope mr stone re finds the hard edge he seems to have left in his other pair of puffy director's pants.

and whatever happened to him calling it quits after his next and final film (said before "any given sunday")?
 
L2R said:
Like Nicole Ritchie's tits, for example?
Muhahahaha!

*claps*
back on point, i hope mr stone re finds the hard edge he seems to have left in his other pair of puffy director's pants.
I'm surprised he actually took the WTC gig. It's not like he had the emotional buffer of 30 years like he did with JFK. Having that amount of chronological distance allows you to pull out some attitude - both of which were lacking in WTC.
and whatever happened to him calling it quits after his next and final film (said before "any given sunday")?
Dunno, but he probably should have stuck to his promise.
 
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