Feds push for tracking cell phones....

[severely etarded]

Mars, come and visit me sometime here along the texas border. You'll pass a place in the highway with several, maybe 30 cameras total, (15 on each side of the highway)(all from very simiar but not mathematically exactly the same angles facing north surveilling vehicles traveling southbound coming torward the border, about 100 miles north of the border. The cameras are on US government property because accross a clearing of brush on the northbound side of divided highway is a US Customs - (Mexican)Border Patrol division checkpoint that has Belgian Mallenois canines checking for drugs, 24/7(literally), and constitutional rights to refuse search are not granted by ruling of supreme court to allow "brief warrantless searches" of vehicles traveling through them. You are also subject to their interrogation about your business traveling out of the border region. I would know I've been subject to several for some reason lately . the 80's this checkpoint consisted of a small travel trailer on the side of the road that occasionally had customs officers there asking questions, which was rather unusual then. Now, 24/7 + canines(belgian mallenois - go look them up I've seen them there before, the most notorious drug dog known to law enforcement). Did you ever see anything from alex jones about these checkpoints? He calls them the "constitution-free zone", the border region, because that shit is real inside the border. Imagine how long it takes to get through these checkpoints with them searching and interrogating everyone on HOLIDAY WEEKENDS etc. It's RIDICULOUS! I'm sure you read my anecdote that I was stopped by a Customs agent and interrogated about my business shortly before being allowed to LEAVE the US and walk over an international bridge into mexico. Come on now...

Warrantless searches going north from border region

^^^^no conspiracy theory, that video is 100% fact, I've been through it.

I had an incident like this wednesday, but I was just trying to get on a bridge to walk south into mexico, and I was more fearful and passive than the guy in the video, and I was left feeling a little violated after answering his questions about the nature of my business. I've had many more incidents like this where I was searched and interrogated going through these checkpoints.


BTW mars I don't really mean come and visit me, just giving an example of what you would see if you did, that's all lol.

 

[marsmellow]

Yeah, that is what the ACLU named those areas.. "constitution free zones."

2/3 of all people in the USA live within a hundred miles of a national border, according to them. So, pretty much everyone lives in one of these zones...

I would know I've been subject to several for some reason lately

Do you look hispanic? That is probably the reason. I've heard stories about Texas cops. They have a bit of a reputation for racial profiling...

 

[qwe]

Just curious Cyc, you support socialism but feel clouded when it comes to privacy correct? Well naturally a socialist society gives a great deal of power to the government, so does that make you feel less secure knowing the government has control over a larger portion of society? History has shown that governments always try to overreach their own power, if you hand them the control that socialism would give them would that not present problems for our freedom in general?

Just trying to see your angle.

it works in europe. you can go about it smartly, without doing things like the patriot act and wars that take away freedoms even WITHOUT achieving socialist goals like ensuring no one dies of starvation or preventable health causes

 

[severely etarded]

Yeah, that is what the ACLU named those areas.. "constitution free zones."

2/3 of all people in the USA live within a hundred miles of a national border, according to them. So, pretty much everyone lives in one of these zones...

Do you look hispanic? That is probably the reason. I've heard stories about Texas cops. They have a bit of a reputation for racial profiling...

I "look" hispanic but I am never asked to give identification because my voice is very white lol. They always search but never ask for ID, they know I'm American. If you talked to me on the phone you would think I was white. But these border patrol checkpoints are fucked up. Did you watch the video? Pretty fucked if you ask me. Border patrol cops are assigned all over the country, so their not "Texas cops", they're from all over. And yea they're pretty fucked

 

[marsmellow]

Yeah, I've seen those kinds of videos before. Those checkpoints are ridiculous. We should be able to move around inside the country freely, without being constantly treated like criminals.

I think a lot of them are actually INSIDE the USA. Like, 50 miles away from the border. It's mostly because of the war on drugs that they have those. They are hoping to catch smugglers.

I'm actually not sure which war has destroyed our rights the most. The war on terrorism or the war on drugs? They have both been pretty disastrous.

 

[severely etarded]

I just want to know WHY? And why all of the sudden interest in my travel going into mexico? Doesn't make any sense. I literally got stopped by customs before leaving the US, before the bridge on this side of the border for some reason... Coming back is nothing new, but leaving?? I was stopped and asked why I was going etc, when did my business in MEXICO start to concern US Customs? And yep, you're dead on about the checkpoints all over and their purpose to serve the war on drugs, and how they ARE everywhere going away from the border in the Mexican Border region INSIDE the US. Why else would they have belgian mallenois canines there 24/7 lol?. The saddest part is the largest amounts are helped in by politicians and crooked cops infiltrated by mafias while some regular guy just trying to make a quick profit taking a car's trunk full of weed from the border to say for example michigan for profit get's busted. It's like black market capitalism lol. Bust the little guys while the big shots have connections(like inside officers I already saw a story on this forum of a lady customs agent from El Paso that was working for the Mexican Mafia) to get around it. Checkpoints also raise the prices of marijuana(not cocaine for some reason) north of them.

 

[marsmellow]

I think the reason is this illegal immigration hysteria that has happened in the past few years. People are losing their jobs, losing their houses, and they think illegal immigrants are the cause of all this. So, they made a big fuss about it and the politicians in DC noticed. This is a good opportunity for them to distract the population from the REAL cause of the problem, and divide the people against each other. So, they told the border patrol to crack down on illegal immigration. Now all the border guards are harassing anyone that comes near the border, because they want to get promoted and stuff like that. They are trying to do their jobs as best as they can, basically. But, there have been experiments done, and they show that people with this kind of power, prison guards, police and others like that, have a tendency to abuse power. It's just human nature to do this. Most people would, if they were in the same position.

Maybe they thought you were going to Mexico so you could guide some illegal immigrats back to the USA? Or maybe going to pick up some drugs? I'm not sure.

 

[severely etarded]

Maybe they thought you were going to Mexico so you could guide some illegal immigrats back to the USA? Or maybe going to pick up some drugs? I'm not sure.

lol @ guide them back to America, lol like they can't guide themselves to the river and swim lmao. pick up drugs is possible, but how could I honestly possibly stuff in my pockets? Nothing compared to what comes through the ports and in cars. Still, I am no criminal, why should I have to stop and tell US customs my business in Mexico?

 

[Heuristic]

Yes, if Customs were able to search only people carrying contraband, their lives would be much simpler.

The government can search anything entering or exiting its border. Always have.

 

[severely etarded]

The government can search anything entering or exiting its border. Always have.

Yes Heuristic, we know this. These checkpoints are located WELL-WITHIN the border. 75-100 miles inland coming from the border.

And what gives US Customs the right to stop me as I'm leaving and detain me to ask me questions about the nature of my business in my trip to mexico? It's none of their business. I have done nothing wrong, I am no criminal. Last I heard we had the right to privacy?

 

[Unbreakable]

 

[capstone]

I'll take "Your Freedom" for $1000.

-This group of documents are used to train Missouri police on how to identify domestic terrorist threats, like returning vets and those who believe in that evil monster called the "Constitution."

What are the MIAC reports, Alex?

 

[Unbreakable]

Yes Heuristic, we know this. These checkpoints are located WELL-WITHIN the border. 75-100 miles inland coming from the border.

And what gives US Customs the right to stop me as I'm leaving and detain me to ask me questions about the nature of my business in my trip to mexico? It's none of their business. I have done nothing wrong, I am no criminal. Last I heard we had the right to privacy?

A U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint on Interstate 95 that began Tuesday and resumed Wednesday was part of the federal agency’s overall mission to stop terrorists and their weapons from entering the country.

In this case, however, the particular focus was on ferreting out any illegal aliens who might have entered the United States unlawfully through its northern border, Deputy Chief Patrol Agent Alfredo Casillas of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s Houlton Sector said Wednesday afternoon.

“This is just one of what I call the tools in our toolbox,” Casillas said of the checkpoints conducted this week.

Though Casillas declined to say if the checkpoint would be operating today, he did say that agents had stopped about 1,000 vehicles a day earlier this week to determine if the drivers and passengers were U.S. citizens and if not, if they were here legally.


Source:http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/136610.html

Its getting worse my buddy than i even thought....

 

[severely etarded]

Though Casillas declined to say if the checkpoint would be operating today, he did say that agents had stopped about 1,000 vehicles a day earlier this week to determine if the drivers and passengers were U.S. citizens and if not, if they were here legally.


Source:http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/136610.html

Its getting worse my buddy than i even thought....

It's normal for them to do this to EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE passing through the border region. they do this 24/7 at every checkpoint. your tax dollars at work

 

[Heuristic]

Yes Heuristic, we know this. These checkpoints are located WELL-WITHIN the border. 75-100 miles inland coming from the border.

And what gives US Customs the right to stop me as I'm leaving and detain me to ask me questions about the nature of my business in my trip to mexico? It's none of their business. I have done nothing wrong, I am no criminal. Last I heard we had the right to privacy?

Ah, Severely, you said yourself you were at the border. You asked why and how they could ask you questions and search you. I answered. It IS their business to ask why you're going to Mexico, and it is their business to search you. I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that until one is found guilty of a crime, one cannot be searched. That you are not a criminal has nothing to do with it.

 

[Heuristic]

A U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint on Interstate 95 that began Tuesday and resumed Wednesday was part of the federal agency’s overall mission to stop terrorists and their weapons from entering the country.

Its getting worse my buddy than i even thought....

I'm sorry, what is so bad about this? Sherman Maine is located quite close to the Canadian border, and setting up a checkpoint on I-95 there is reasonable.

 

[severely etarded]

Ah, Severely, you said yourself you were at the border. You asked why and how they could ask you questions and search you. I answered. It IS their business to ask why you're going to Mexico, and it is their business to search you. I'm not sure where you came up with the idea that until one is found guilty of a crime, one cannot be searched. That you are not a criminal has nothing to do with it.

When did the constitution say anything about interrogating people for leaving the country. It is none of their business what I do in Mexico. America is supposed to be a "free country", and your way of thinking is going to lead us to slavery sir. Last time I heard we have the right to leave the US without telling big bro. Sorry, we have the right to privacy here, COMING INTO THE US IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM LEAVING, SIR, respectfully . I can't believe you are such a fool. And the checkpoints are WELL-WITHIN the borders, not on the border sir. No shit they can search you at the customs checkpoint on the border, my question wasn't about search at the border, it was at the border patrol checkpoint much further north. And tell me when traveling to mexico became my business, and why the caucasion people were not questioned. You think this is right Heuristic? Are you serious? I know if you ever ran for president you are the LAST person I'd vote for. You'd have every phone in America constantly tapped without warrants, GPS tracking chips implanted in people's skin, and cavity searches on everyone required when entering the US. These checkpoints are bullshit, and it's bullshit that I get picked out of a crowd of people to be stopped and asked questions. Ask the old caucasion winter-texans next to me what they're doing, I WAS LATE FOR A DENTIST APPOINTMENT, I DIDNT HAVE TIME TO TALK TO HIM NOR DOES THE CONSTITUTION OR ANY OTHER LAW SAY I HAVE TO WHEN LEAVING THE US, ONLY RETURNING Comprende Heuristic?

What I do in Mexico is my private business, the US govt does not need to know when I LEAVE, only when I return. This is understandable returning as I may be bringing back something, but only Mexico can ask me what I'm bringing to mexico, not the US. This control business has gone too far. They didnt used to have customs agents picking walkers to stop out of a crowd to ask them questions. Seriously, if I was a smuggler, how hard would it have been to simply lie? Tell me what good having a customs agent harrassing people before they leave the country. NONE. I was late for an appointment, why couldn't he have picked a caucasion person to harrass, I was late for an appointment.. Don't tell me racial profiling is OK because when it stomps all over my rights it's bullshit. Caucasions are from mexico too, but they are rarely seen over here because they have tons of money, but I see them where I live here in the border region as they have moved to my town to avoid the Mexico kidnapping epidemic. Then he insulted me by asking if I speak english... ugh how degrading for someone who doesn't even speak spanish fluently...

You know how many caucasion blonde haired blue eyed Mexican national spanish-only speakers from Monterrey, Mexico go through those checkpoints with their brand cadillac escalades without even being questioned, while I go through in my 99 lexus es300 and get the whole car searched for 5 minutes even though their belgian mallenois drug dog didn't have a hit on my car (I'm not stupid enough to try that). I'd say I've been searched 9/10 times going through the checkpoint, and the time they didn't I had just finished smoking a joint, and there was still smoke coming out of the car, the agent took a deep breath through his nose(I'm pretty sure he was smelling it lol) and then said "You can go" LOL WTF. Go figure the one time I don't get searched I pull up smelling like 20 pounds of marijuna smoke coming out of the car lmao.

 

[Heuristic]

When did the constitution say anything about interrogating people for leaving the country. It is none of their business what I do in Mexico. America is supposed to be a "free country", and your way of thinking is going to lead us to slavery sir. Last time I heard we have the right to leave the US without telling big bro. Sorry, we have the right to privacy here, COMING INTO THE US IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM LEAVING, SIR, respectfully . I can't believe you are such a fool. And the checkpoints are WELL-WITHIN the borders, not on the border sir.

You said yourself that you were stopped just before the bridge at the border. The checkpoint mentioned in the article is also quite close to the border.

The federal government regulates commerce, and the movement of persons, in and out of the United States. That gives them, and has always given them, the power to search and question those entering AND exiting the country. You are certainly free to leave this country. That doesn't mean you're immune from being questioned or searched as you leave. It has always been thus.

It might be wise to learn about the subject before calling another person a fool.

No shit they can search you at the customs checkpoint on the border, my question wasn't about search at the border, it was at the border patrol checkpoint much further north.

No, you said you were stopped by Customs just short of the bridge at the border.

And tell me when traveling to mexico became my business, and why the caucasion people were not questioned. You think this is right Heuristic? Are you serious? I know if you ever ran for president you are the LAST person I'd vote for. You'd have every phone in America constantly tapped without warrants, GPS tracking chips implanted in people's skin, and cavity searches on everyone required when entering the US. These checkpoints are bullshit, and it's bullshit that I get picked out of a crowd of people to be stopped and asked questions. Ask the old caucasion winter-texans next to me what they're doing, I WAS LATE FOR A DENTIST APPOINTMENT, I DIDNT HAVE TIME TO TALK TO HIM NOR DOES THE CONSTITUTION OR ANY OTHER LAW SAY I HAVE TO WHEN LEAVING THE US, ONLY RETURNING Comprende Heuristic?

Whether you're late for a dentist's appointment really isn't relevant. "Oh, sorry sir, you have a dentist's appointment? Yes, of course you don't have to answer any of my questions or submit to a search. Go right ahead."

What I do in Mexico is my private business, the US govt does not need to know when I LEAVE, only when I return. This is understandable returning as I may be bringing back something, but only Mexico can ask me what I'm bringing to mexico, not the US.

No, the US Government regulates commerce between nations; that includes items leaving as well as items entering the country.

This control business has gone too far. They didnt used to have customs agents picking walkers to stop out of a crowd to ask them questions. Seriously, if I was a smuggler, how hard would it have been to simply lie?

They'll judge your reaction to the questions, as well as your answers, in determining whether further search would be wise. This is what enabled the US to catch an individual intent on bombing LAX on or about New Year's Day, 2000. And they'll conduct routine searches, either at random or because they simply think it might be a good idea.

Tell me what good having a customs agent harrassing people before they leave the country. NONE. I was late for an appointment, why couldn't he have picked a caucasion person to harrass, I was late for an appointment.. Don't tell me racial profiling is OK because when it stomps all over my rights it's bullshit. Caucasions are from mexico too, but they are rarely seen over here because they have tons of money, but I see them where I live here in the border region as they have moved to my town to avoid the Mexico kidnapping epidemic. Then he insulted me by asking if I speak english... ugh how degrading for someone who doesn't even speak spanish fluently...

You said yourself that he probably couldn't hear you because of the noise. Is the new explanation that he was somehow degrading you?

As far as the notion that white persons exiting and entering this country aren't questioned and searched, I'm quite skeptical. That someone had the temerity to stop you when you were late for a dentist's appointment isn't persuasive.

 

[severely etarded]

It has always been thus.

Not leaving, sorry no. Customs never gave a rats ass about leaving the country until last year, sorry. Maybe legally the supreme court has ruled, but I was inside the US border region, what did I do that was "suspicious" besides have brown skin? It bothers me that I was singled out of a large crowd. I was doing nothing wrong, why me? The law states they need reason to suspect I am smuggling something or doing something illegal to do this to me.

It might be wise to learn about the subject before calling another person a fool.

They need reason to suspect me of doing something illegal like smuggling to detain me inside the border region, sorry. We still have rights (I think?)You need to learn the law sir. I was not doing anything to arouse "mere suspicion".

No, you said you were stopped by Customs just short of the bridge at the border.

Yes I did, I was not searched by him though. The searches were at the checkpoints 80 miles in.

Whether you're late for a dentist's appointment really isn't relevant. "Oh, sorry sir, you have a dentist's appointment? Yes, of course you don't have to answer any of my questions or submit to a search. Go right ahead."

And what was I doing to arouse "mere suspicion"? Why was I singled out of a crowd. The only thing suspicious about me was that I had brown skin. I don't see how this warrants randomly singling me out of a crowd for questioning

No, the US Government regulates commerce between nations; that includes items leaving as well as items entering the country.

And your point is? I wasn't bringing anything out. What I do in mexico is my business as long as I'm not breaking the laws there or here, last time I checked. If it is the government's business, than I can no longer call this country "free", sorry. The push to care about what leaves the country was started last year, even though it may have been legal before.

They'll judge your reaction to the questions, as well as your answers, in determining whether further search would be wise. This is what enabled the US to catch an individual intent on bombing LAX on or about New Year's Day, 2000. And they'll conduct routine searches, either at random or because they simply think it might be a good idea.

I shouldn't have to answer these questions, especially at the checkpoint 80-100 miles inland. What did I do to arouse "mere suspicion"? You would have airports conduct cavity searches and do full-body X-Rays(not just scans) just to make us a little bit safer if you were in charge, I swear.

You said yourself that he probably couldn't hear you because of the noise. Is the new explanation that he was somehow degrading you?

Because I was profiled out of a crowd, tell me how that's right?

As far as the notion that white persons exiting and entering this country aren't questioned and searched, I'm quite skeptical. That someone had the temerity to stop you when you were late for a dentist's appointment isn't persuasive.

No, white persons are questioned entering this country, just not leaving. And my mother who is white is never even asked about her citizenship when passing through a border patrol checkpoint. Me - searched 9/10 times and always 100% asked if I'm a citizen. As a matter of fact once when I rode with her, they asked if I was a citizen lmao. Her.. They didn't question. Tell me how profiling is right, when there are SEVERAL mexican nationals that are as white as george bush or bill clinton, spanish speaking. They tend to be wealthy business people from monterrey, most have mafia connections. They don't get profiled though .

Brown skin is what it comes down to, sorry if you don't believe anything I say Heuristic because you think I'm a looney conspiracy theorist. Maybe one day you will take a walk in my shoes. I was thinking about it last night, how we all have our own views based on our own experiences in life, and that it's impossible for anyone to understand your experience without going through it themselves. It's really amazing, I think if you had my set of experiences, you would think very similar if not the same as me Too bad we all argue with eachother on here, but none of us understand eachother and our experiences with life and politics

 

[Unbreakable]

Mr. Obama has not given up hope of progress on Capitol Hill, aides said, and has scheduled a session with Republican leaders on health care later this month. But in the aftermath of a special election in Massachusetts that cost Democrats unilateral control of the Senate, the White House is getting ready to act on its own in the face of partisan gridlock heading into the midterm campaign.

“We are reviewing a list of presidential executive orders and directives to get the job done across a front of issues,” said Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff.

Any president has vast authority to influence policy even without legislation, through executive orders, agency rule-making and administrative fiat. And Mr. Obama’s success this week in pressuring the Senate to confirm 27 nominations by threatening to use his recess appointment power demonstrated that executive authority can also be leveraged to force action by Congress.

Mr. Obama has already decided to create a bipartisan budget commission under his own authority after Congress refused to do so. His administration has signaled that it plans to use its discretion to soften enforcement of the ban on openly gay men and lesbians serving in the military, even as Congress considers repealing the law. And the Environmental Protection Agency is moving forward with possible regulations on heat-trapping gases blamed for climate change, while a bill to cap such emissions languishes in the Senate.

more at source:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/us/politics/13obama.html


yah OBAMA you show them who is boss!