Feds move heaven and earth to get pot user out of russian jail and leave millions of american pot users caged in american jail.

[LucidSDreamr]

So today the Feds moved heaven and earth to get a d-list pot user out of russian jail and leave millions of american pot users caged in american jail.

Democrats controlled the entire government for 2 years. Weed was not descheduled.

Even among Republicans legalization polls at 60%.


Guys it's not just the weed. The inflation. The lie about student loan forgiveness. All the illegal wars. All the stealing of our taxes while our schools are outperformed by 3rd world countries. Elderly disabled people living in tent cities with rotting open festering wounds that any other western country on earth would treat. Police murdering more people than all western countries on earth



I honestly don't understand how we just roll over and take it like this permanently.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Democrats controlled the entire government for 2 years.

No they don't. This isn't even hyperbole, it's just false. Republicans still have half the power and vote no on every Democrat move and vice versa, self sabotaging government.

The reason we're so far behind is due to infighting.

But I agree trading an arms dealer for some dumbass who brought weed to Russia on a public flight is idiotic.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

No they don't. This isn't even hyperbole, it's just false. Republicans still have half the power and vote no on every Democrat move and vice versa, self sabotaging government.

The reason we're so far behind is due to infighting.

But I agree trading an arms dealer for some dumbass who brought weed to Russia on a public flight is idiotic.

Republicans still have around 60% support for legalization. Whatever shred of the government they did control should have also been on board with doing what the majority of constituents want.

This isn't an issue about infighting. Americans overwhelmingly support it but democrats and Republicans are being bribed to hard to keep it schedule 1...everyone in the fed government is in agreement to keep it illegal no matter what

 

[Jabberwocky]

Republicans still have around 60% support for legalization. Whatever shred of the government they did control should have also been on board with doing what the majority of constituents want.

This isn't an issue about infighting. Americans overwhelmingly support it but democrats and Republicans are being bribed to hard to keep it schedule 1...everyone in the fed government is in agreement to keep it illegal no matter what

Right. About 60% of Republicans are also pro choice, but it was banned in many places because they listen to their donors and not their constituents.

Our government is bought and paid for. Unfortunately they do a great job at keeping the masses obsessed with culture wars instead of the truth.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Right. About 60% of Republicans are also pro choice, but it was banned in many places because they listen to their donors and not their constituents.

Our government is bought and paid for. Unfortunately they do a great job at keeping the masses obsessed with culture wars instead of the truth.

I think most Americans are too stupid to research a topic they don't know about and come to a conclusion. I.e. the drug war or pot legalization.

Culture war or not.

We are simply never taught how to learn. We have one of the lowest ranked education systems of a western country.


Another good chunk of Americans simply wants to see people suffer and be tortured by the state.

 

[plumbus-nine]

Also the US are now decriminalizing shrooms and MJ while they forced the world to apply opium laws and war on drugs and decades will pass until other countries follow up.

But the situation described in the OP is indeed fucked.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Griner was a political prisoner in the war on drugs. Just one of many in numerous prisons across the globe. I support the release of all political prisoners in the war on drugs (i.e. all non-violent drug offenders), so her release is a good thing.

She was also a pawn in a geopolitical game. But the so-called crime she was prosecuted for was bullshit, I'd say the same thing if anyone in the USA was caught dead-to-rights on basically any charge as it relates to a personal use amount of any drug. So it's a good thing that she's free, I hate them too but I fail to see how the result alluded to in the OP's title is anything other than a good thing.

 

[alasdairm]

it certainly sucks and moves slowly @LucidSDreamr but i think there's cause for optimism.

21 states have now legalised recreational marijuana. medicinal marijuana is legal in 38 states.

the biden administration announced some marijuana-related steps just in october 2022: Statement from President Biden on Marijuana Reform

"Today, I am announcing three steps that I am taking to end this failed approach.

First, I am announcing a pardon of all prior Federal offenses of simple possession of marijuana.
...
Second, I am urging all Governors to do the same with regard to state offenses.
...
Third, I am asking the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Attorney General to initiate the administrative process to review expeditiously how marijuana is scheduled under federal law."

it's a big step in the right direction and more than trump or obama did.

alasdair

 

[Jabberwocky]

21 states have now legalised recreational marijuana. medicinal marijuana is legal in 38 states.

In a way it's almost legal now in every state. I live in a state where it's still illegal, but I can drive down the street right now and buy regular d9 THC edibles from one of

The hemp bill allowing 0.3% THC in hemp derived products is being egregiously abused to sell straight up potent edibles and synthesize more potent chemical analogues.

The DEA announced back in 2020 that it was all illegal, but since then has been completely silent and has chosen to enforce nothing.

It's actually a bit odd they have been, and continue to be silent about the alt cannabis industry....

I literally live in a state where cannabis is both state and federally illegal... but the headshop down the street has a sign that says "d9 sold here".... in big glowing letters!

 

[Burnt Offerings]

In a way it's almost legal now in every state. I live in a state where it's still illegal, but I can drive down the street right now and buy refular d9 THC edibles.

The hemp bill allowing 0.3% THC in hemp derived products is being egregiously abused to sell straight up potent edibles and synthesize more potent chemical analogues.

The DEA announced back in 2020 that it was all illegal, but since then has been completely silent and has chosen to enforce nothing.

It's actually a bit odd they have been, and continue to be silent about the alt cannabis industry....

I literally live in a state where cannabis is both state and federally illegal... but the headshop down the street has a sign that says "d9 sold here".... in bug glowing letters!

I know what you mean. If you were to tell me even ten years ago that this situation with d8 would be in effect in like every state, lol, I never would've believed it. And a couple years before that, like in 2010, pfft I never would've believed that they would allow it in ANY state, I figured they'd try and shut it down just like they did with "K2"

 

[Jabberwocky]

I know what you mean. If you were to tell me even ten years ago that this situation with d8 would be in effect in like every state, lol, I never would've believed it. And a couple years before that, like in 2010, pfft I never would've believed that they would allow it in ANY state, I figured they'd try and shut it down just like they did with "K2"

Man just 2 years ago, I went to a headshop and they said they had d8 carts and I was like wtf?????

It's really insane how quickly the d8/alt cannabinoid market exploded and became ubiquitous.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I fail to see how the result alluded to in the OP's title is anything other than a good thing.

Domt get me wrong it's great to see anyone released for drugs and I'll saybthe same thing about grineer all the way up to El Chapo. #freeChapo

But this action of moving heaven and earth to release a "celebrity" is a spit in the face of every American punished by america that is currently in american jail for weed or hasnhad their entire career prospects ruined for weed.

Why can't we do the same thing for them? It would be easier and we wouldn't have to trade a merchant of death. Why won't they do it for ppl in american jails but they do it for her?

How would you feel if you were serving 10.years for weed in Mississippi right now and saw this shit on the news?

These assholes promised they were going to decriminalize weed and all they've done is criminalize doctors and chronic pain. Its nice to see state governments legalizing weed but the Feds are being real pieces of shit about drugs.

 

[Xorkoth]

In a way it's almost legal now in every state. I live in a state where it's still illegal, but I can drive down the street right now and buy regular d9 THC edibles from one of

The hemp bill allowing 0.3% THC in hemp derived products is being egregiously abused to sell straight up potent edibles and synthesize more potent chemical analogues.

The DEA announced back in 2020 that it was all illegal, but since then has been completely silent and has chosen to enforce nothing.

It's actually a bit odd they have been, and continue to be silent about the alt cannabis industry....

I literally live in a state where cannabis is both state and federally illegal... but the headshop down the street has a sign that says "d9 sold here".... in big glowing letters!

Yeah, well, we live in the same state, but it's crazy. I can walk into any head shop and buy straight up weed edibles... delta 9. Because it's less than 0.3% of the total weight of the gummy/chocolate bar, which is obviously a loophole but apparently nobody cares. It's a strange world we live in where there are still nonviolent weed "offenders" in jail, when it's so widely accepted/normalized.

On the other hand, I don't think personal amounts are not decriminalized in any state...up to an ounce anywhere I am aware of is only punishable by a ticket. Maybe there are some states where that's not true. Of course, many states will criminalize paraphernalia, which is the dumbest shit ever. Good to get these glass pipe smokers off the streets... joint smokers, you're good.

Anyway, bullshit remains, but we are undoubtedly moving in a positive direction. They've unfrozen psychedelic research, too, and some states/localities are even decriminalizing mushrooms. In my town, we have kava and kratom bars, which are literally named as such and operating fully in the open with no fear of repercussions.

If you had told me 20 years ago that it would look like this now, I would not have believed you. yes, we still have a ways to go, and most of that is in rescuing the poor souls who got busted before these times and are rotting in prison for some bullshit. But you have to recognize the progress, still.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Also the US are now decriminalizing shrooms and MJ while they forced the world to apply opium laws and war on drugs and decades will pass until other countries follow up.

But the situation described in the OP is indeed fucked.

MJ is a good one to decriminalize because it's pretty addictive....far more addictive than shrooms. Therefore it's use and consequences of criminalization affect so many ppl.

The more addictive and widespread the use of a drug is....the more important it is to decriminalize or legalize it.

For shrooms to be the top priority to decriminalize in the midst of a fent and meth epidemic, was utterly R worded.

Not saying it's a bad thing....I just have no idea how they came to the conclusion that shrooms were the drug they needed to decriminalize first

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Yeah, well, we live in the same state, but it's crazy. I can walk into any head shop and buy straight up weed edibles... delta 9. Because it's less than 0.3% of the total weight of the gummy/chocolate bar, which is obviously a loophole but apparently nobody cares. It's a strange world we live in where there are still nonviolent weed "offenders" in jail, when it's so widely accepted/normalized.

On the other hand, I don't think personal amounts are not decriminalized in any state...up to an ounce anywhere I am aware of is only punishable by a ticket. Maybe there are some states where that's not true. Of course, many states will criminalize paraphernalia, which is the dumbest shit ever. Good to get these glass pipe smokers off the streets... joint smokers, you're good.

Anyway, bullshit remains, but we are undoubtedly moving in a positive direction. They've unfrozen psychedelic research, too, and some states/localities are even decriminalizing mushrooms. In my town, we have kava and kratom bars, which are literally named as such and operating fully in the open with no fear of repercussions.

If you had told me 20 years ago that it would look like this now, I would not have believed you. yes, we still have a ways to go, and most of that is in rescuing the poor souls who got busted before these times and are rotting in prison for some bullshit. But you have to recognize the progress, still.

I'm going to have to disagree and say it's gone backwards overall in the big picture.

So we legalized some soft drugs. But we outlawed opioids triggering a fentanyl epidemic killing close to 100k per year and growing. We didn't have this problem before 2016 when pharma opioids were still legal.

We definitely have caused a net shift towards mass death and misery overall over the past 10 to 20 years of drug "reform".

I dont remember major cities being overrun with colonies of fent zombies literally rotting to death with open sores 15 years ago. Ppl desperate and inflicting massive harm on society and themselves.

This was caused by policy change.

This was all caused by making opioids completely illegal.

I think all this misery outweighs ppl getting to trip on mushrooms.

 

[alasdairm]

what? are we talking about the u.s.?

opiods are not "completely illegal" in the u.s.

alasdair

 

[LucidSDreamr]

what? are we talking about the u.s.?

opiods are not "completely illegal" in the u.s.

alasdair

It's hyperbole but they basically are.

Try telling ppl rotting of cancer on paracetamol that opioids are legal. They can't get them so are they legal? Just because it's not written in statute yet?

Visit r/cancer or r/chronicpain in reddit....we might as well have a statute outlawing opioids at this point. The ppl on those subredditts are posting suicide notes on a regular basis noting opioid denial.


It's all kind of fucked because I do have a legal script and I'm pretty bad but my ex neighbor is dying of brain cancer at 90 and is totally denied. Zero history of addiction.

They cut out a piece of this dudes skull and brain and he had zero opipids post op.

 

[JackARoe]

I think one of the main points we are forgetting is there are always people that want to oppress just as there will always be people that want freedom. I think we got some legalization because some of the right people pushed for it.

A little more optimism. I get the emails from The Pain News Network (way more skeptical than the OP) and they even said some of the restrictions on opiates are loosening. We just need the right people in the right place at the right time. And it does happen.

Feel better Lucid. Don't think it into being. I am going to keep the faith that you get your meds. I do think any drug should be between a doctor and patient without fear of a government agency coming down on them. We just need the right people in place.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

I had multiple surgeries over the last couple of years and I was given opioid painkillers both times. It's definitely not as permissive as it once was but it's still most definitely a "thing".

A lot of doctors would give out more opioid narcotics if they could, too, but they feel like their hands are tied with the way the law sits currently. A close family member of mine is a pain management patient who receives opioid painkillers on a regular continuing basis, and I've seen all the hoops they've had to jump through so I know about it. Their doctor(s) have straight up apologized to them about it, even though it's not really the dr's fault, they can't really do anything about it. I'm hoping that the laws change to give drs more of a free hand to prescribe based on the patient's individual needs

Re: why shrooms and not meth/fent, methamphetamine and fentanyl have more of a societal stigma to overcome than mushrooms do. I'm not saying that's right or the way it should be or anything like that, but I think that's just a fact.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I think one of the main points we are forgetting is there are always people that want to oppress just as there will always be people that want freedom. I think we got some legalization because some of the right people pushed for it.

A little more optimism. I get the emails from The Pain News Network (way more skeptical than the OP) and they even said some of the restrictions on opiates are loosening. We just need the right people in the right place at the right time. And it does happen.

Feel better Lucid. Don't think it into being. I am going to keep the faith that you get your meds. I do think any drug should be between a doctor and patient without fear of a government agency coming down on them. We just need the right people in place.

Yea I'm definitely future tripping a bit and I get mine one way or another even though most pain patients don't.

But dude, just because the medical establishment is starting to realize the mistake they made means squat because the DEA is going to keep arresting doctors no matter what the CDC or FDA says....and that's the genesis of the entire problem. Doctors are terrified of the DEA which continues persecuting them and they have not let up at all despite the CDC retracting their guidelines that catalyzed the fentanyl epidemic