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I'd say this endless war is closer to theft, as noone really wants it.

Or go ahead, prove you don't have a <3 .
 
qwe said:
you act as if socialism is incompatible with capitalism

our nation (more importantly, our world) easily has the capability to keep everyone alive, fed, and warm. ensuring this is not counter-capitalism, and it's not authoritarian. it's just humane. and it is fully compatible with any freedom listed in the constitution

in essence, your argument assumes that if the government spends money on something you don't like, it's theft. would you rather have your government not have any money? maybe it should be dissolved. then there'd be neither check nor balance on your beloved capitalism and we'll see how the world fares then

You are kidding right?

Socialism and Capitalism are opposite theories of justice and economics.

I agree that our nation has the capability to help people escape poverty. Doing it voluntarily is the only way to do it that does not vicitimize one person for the sake of another. Acting through a centralized redistribution device such as the government is inherently corrupt, ineffecient, and immoral.

No, my argument is stating that the governments job is to protect people from violating each others rights. When it taxes money and uses it for a job outside of these boundaries, it is overstepping its boundaries as it is violating my, yours, and everyones right to reap what they sow. What is so hard to understand about that? You think they government knows how to better spend a large portion of everyones money than they do. I find this ridiculous, since i know i , and every poor, rich, or middle class citizen knows how to better spend his income for his best benefit than some far off bureaucrats that couldn't give two shits about me or you.

Oh, and you might want to actually read the constitution sometime, because your premise that socialism is compatible with it is flat out bullshit.

Arguing with people who don't know what they are talking about, base their arguments on false premises, and don't know how to argue logically is a waste of anyones time.

You sincerely seem to trust the government more with your money than you would trust yourself with your money. Good luck with that one.
 
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mulberryman said:
Now, I'm done. Honestly, I can't believe I wasted a whole botle of phentermine trying on this pointless pursuit, which you'll likely just tear apart and say I have no idea what I'm talking about or something. Honestly I don't really care.
I have no interest in going back and forth anymore right now. In all honesty I had an urge to tear that apart, but there's just so much goddamn stuff that needs to be taken from your post that I feel like I'm giving you a 1 on 1 lesson when I go through and clean your posts.

I think if you actually understood more of what you were talking about (and previewed your responses before clicking submit) you'd actually be good to go back and forth with, but there's far too much in there and in all honesty, when I pull points out of your posts that are incorrect you usually either ignore them or tap dance around the subject. I've never once here you concede you were wrong even when it's clear as day (kind of like the missing answer when I asked you how you could possibly be both pro-life and pro-choice).


mulberryman said:
I could go on and on, but I don't think it matters. I don't think this post is really gonna make a heap dirt on a hill of beans of different in you guys' minds. Oh, well, I am a dreamer... But I'm not the only one ;)
It's not.

And there's nothing wrong with being a dreamer, but your posts shouldn't be written in such a fashion if you're having a rational discussion.
 
Footloose said:
You are kidding right?

Socialism and Capitalism are opposite theories of justice and economics.

I agree that our nation has the capability to help people escape poverty. Doing it voluntarily is the only way to do it that does not vicitimize one person for the sake of another. Acting through a centralized redistribution device such as the government is inherently corrupt, ineffecient, and immoral.

No, my argument is stating that the governments job is to protect people from violating each others rights. When it taxes money and uses it for a job outside of these boundaries, it is overstepping its boundaries as it is violating my, yours, and everyones right to reap what they sow. What is so hard to understand about that? You think they government knows how to better spend a large portion of everyones money than they do. I find this ridiculous, since i know i , and every poor, rich, or middle class citizen knows how to better spend his income for his best benefit than some far off bureaucrats that couldn't give two shits about me or you.

Oh, and you might want to actually read the constitution sometime, because your premise that socialism is compatible with it is flat out bullshit.

Arguing with people who don't know what they are talking about, base their arguments on false premises, and don't know how to argue logically is a waste of anyones time.

You sincerely seem to trust the government more with your money than you would trust yourself with your money. Good luck with that one.
werd
 
(kind of like the missing answer when I asked you how you could possibly be both pro-life and pro-choice).

If you can't comprehend compromise there's no point in debate. :|
 
mulberryman said:
If you can't comprehend compromise there's no point in debate. :|
so you are asserting that there's a true middle ground between pro-life and pro-choice? I'm interested in how that would work, as I don't see much room for compromise in that debate.. If you allow some people to have abortions you're pro-choice, pro-lifers will be pissed. If you don't allow any abortions, then you're pro-life, and pro-choicers will be pissed.

Maybe I'm dumb and just, as you said, cannot comprehend compromise. So, please explain to me, as I have for you many times in the past, what the compromise would be in the abortion arena.
 
^^ I'll have to get back to ya on that, right now I'm feeling quite defeated. I'm not even sure there is purpose for debate anymore, as noone seems to be listening, and in a country so equally divided, the conservative side will win by default since they do have all the real power anyway. Perhaps the best advice now is to just arm ourselves well and not let anyone take away whatever little we can grab for ourselves. Besides, this is the wrong thread.
 
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