Favorite or Best Psychedelic Euphoriant/Empathogen-Entactogen

[FractalDragon]

Between the psychedelics that seem to lie between serotogenics like LSD and empathogens like MDMA, what tryptamine or phenethylamine would you consider to be the best or your favorite. Note that this excludes pure serotonin releasers like MDA (and other mdma analogues) that are otherwise not serotonin agonists. I would have made a poll for this but I'm not sure how to do that on here. The choices for such a poll would have been;

2CB
2CI
AMT
AET
5-Meo-AMT
DOM
DOC
DOB
DOI
Other

Of these substances which do you think captures the experience of being in the psychedelic realm while also being an excellent euphoriant empathogen-entactogen? Which in your opinion produces the best euphoria and rush, body high, psychedelic effects, ect. all in one. In other words which substance captures the best of all worlds.

 

[Anon0631]

DOC is my number 1 favourite phenethylamine.

 

[Achten]

DOC is indeed a magnificent phen.

OP: Tough choice, I find they all have merit in a given situation. aMT is extremely nice and easy going on the body so maybe that takes the cake for me.

edit: just thought I would mention that I'm one of the guys who actually enjoys 5MeOaMT, up to 2.5mg orally.

 

[donvliet]

Out of your list AMT seems to meet your requirements best, although I never tried it myself.

Of these substances which do you think captures the experience of being in the psychedelic realm while also being an excellent euphoriant empathogen-entactogen? Which in your opinion produces the best euphoria and rush, body high, psychedelic effects, ect. all in one. In other words which substance captures the best of all worlds.

Actually, what you describe sounds a lot like a candy trip (LSD & MDMA combo, keep the doses low).

 

[psood0nym]

To my knowledge, out of your list only aMT, 5-MeO-aMT, and aET posses the triple monoamine releasing profile associated with empathogens. MDA should be on your list, as it acts as an agonist at 5-HT2a and produces psychedelic effects that MDMA does not. As far as the best of those for your concerns that are on the list, definitely aMT. 5-MeO-aMT is very similar but is associated with stronger unwanted side effects than aMT, and from the few reports of aET I've read it doesn't sound very psychedelic. That said, on its own aMT is not particularly strong on either the empathogenic or psychedelic fronts relative to the standard representatives of those classes. Where it truly shines in my opinion is in combinations. I consider aMT in combination with DPT or 4-AcO-DMT a rival to LSD/MDMA in terms of writhing, teeth-gritting, light-spilling-out-of-my-heart psychedelic euphoria, though not in terms of social empathy, as the influence of both powerful tryptamines tends to draw me too inward to be conducive to that. There was a period after one aMT/DPT combo when I had been so conditioned to associate teeth-chattering with extreme pleasure during those hours that for a month afterward my teeth would start to chatter as I approached orgasm during sex.

MDA is probably the best single drug that has everything you're looking for, though. 6-APB/APDB are strong empathogens/euphoriants and seem to have mild psychedelic effects, but so far as I've read they're not as prominent as MDA's.

 

[Lady Codone]

Not really all that psychedelic, but I dig methylone and 4-FA. There are some MILD psychedelic overtones if you take enough, but nothing like 6-Apb, 2C-x, etc.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I didn't really find DOC or DOB to act as empathogens really, they were just typical psychedelics for me. Euphoriants yes, but do you know any psychedelics that lack euphoria? Every single one I've tried has it, though with some it's more hit and miss than others - but hell, I've even had non-euphoric experiences on drugs like MDMA when the setting didn't permit it.

If we're not counting MDMA, 6-APB etc.. then of the ones I've tried I think I'd regard 2C-B, 3C-P, AMT and 5-MeO-DALT as empathogens. AMT is my favourite, 2C-B and 3C-P come very close seconds and are equal, 5-MeO-DALT is interesting but mostly just a novelty and wasn't to my tastes the times I tried it, but I still have yet to explore ROAs other than vaporisation.

 

[Solipsis]

I don't really agree with the list, because like JG said DOB was not empathogenic for me, rather the opposite actually..

Anyway I made the poll, it's yours (but I added ps00donym's suggestion to it).

 

[kidklmx]

Shouldn't some 5-Meo's (that are not 5-Meo-AMT, e.g "-MiPT or "-DiPT) be on here as well? They're 5HT1a agonists, which ranks them closer to MDMA/Empathogens than DOx or 2C-x IMO

 

[Folley]

I had to choose MDA, obviously the OG psyches are a bit outmatched against it's flood of serotonin/prolactin



other than that, why is LSD not on the list?? I've had more profoundly euphoric experiences on acid than any other drug, including MDMA. It's harder to get to that state, and it can be a rare occurrence, but it's WAY better than DOx

 

[SilkMan]

The best for me is the DOM, although i've not taken all of these drugs. But the most euphorisant is surely 2C-B !
I think that the more hallucinations we have, the more laughs we have. Had a 25mg trip in a festival with amazing lasershows; I had a stomach ache the next day by dint of laughs...

 

[Mr. Meowfish]

I don't know if I got the right idea about this poll, but personally, I consider Dissociative's to be Psychedelics depending on the dose. My favorite compounds are as follows........
1. A tie between PCP and MXE
2. LSD
3. Ketamine - Preferably IV only

After that, even tho this wasn't requested, I'll give you 2 bonus answers................

4. Not a psychedelic at all - No.4 Powder Heroin (preferably brownish tinted, I HATE China White) - This is the evilest, most life ruiningest drug this side of Methamphetamine. I DO NOT recommend anyone ever touch an Opiate if you can avoid it, because if you have an addictive personality like me, you'll be putting a needle in your arm within 6 months.
5. BENZO'S - Benzo's are honestly ALMOST a tie with Heroin for me. I have such AWFUL daily anxiety that even 1mg of Etizolam makes me feel more relaxed, calm, and anxiety free than I've felt my entire life, every time that I take it. I never take Benny's daily, so I'm not physically dependent on them. If you're someone who has daily anxiety, this is for sure the way to go. Daily use just decreases the amount of therapeutic value they have, and I hate NOTHING more in this world than the feeling of panic and anxiety, because I experience it intensely 24/7/365. I refuse to take more than 3mgs in a day and try to not use them more than twice a week unless absolutely necessary. I wanted to mention how much I appreciate Chemists taking the time to synthesize these novel Benzodiazepines for availability to knowledge members of the public science and chemistry community who need the help these medications offer but are SICK AND TIRED of being treated like shit by Dr.'s and looked at like your searching for pills. Every human on planet earth should have Benzo access for emergencies. They could stop people from doing a LOT of evil shit if Human Beings learned to take a second to take a Xanex and stop and think before they hurt someone or make an angry decision. I have an AWFUL temper that I can barely control sometimes when life gets me down. The only thing that's ever helped me is this class of compounds. THANK YOU for cutting Big Pharma FUCKHEADS out of the equation for the common man.
Sorry I got off topic. I just enjoy a variety of substances and am very passionate about what I like.

 

[rugoingplaces]

For the sake of clarity.. I wonder if we could agree that a true Empathogen will have this definition... A chemical that once used creates a state where user feels an overwhelming friendliness/love towards everyone including the user. The feeling is so strong that nothing is required of user to maintain this feeling.

 

[rugoingplaces]

Euphoriant might have this definition.. Once taken the user experiences intense feelings of well-being, elation, happiness, excitement, and joy but this does not include an overwhelming state of friendliness/love for others. Overwhelming and unstoppable being the distinction.

I will add that feeling euphoria will spill over to feeling close to others. However the defining state of being for user is not friendliness or love for others but only a nice byproduct. The defining state of euphoriant is overwhelming good feelings for yourself.
Euphoriants unlike empathogens will not breakdown barriers allowing unstoppable feelings of connectedness with all people.

 

[Ismene]

Oral DMT with moclobemide - best psychedelic and best entactogen. Bobs yer fathers brother.

 

[《Plasticity》]

I didn't find DOC empathogenic in the slightest, IDK about the rest of the DOx family. aMT takes the cake as far as TRI's go but MDA wasn't too far behind. Also why shouldn't the APB's be added? They're certainly more empathogenic than something like 5-meo-amt or DOx...

 

[MagickalKat777]

A split between AMT and mescaline. Both of them are quite an investment of time and both of them are profound and intense in their own ways. Mescaline is the only non-amphetamine phenethylamine that I find worthy of its bodyload and find interesting enough to not have to mix it with something else to get where I want to go.

AMT is like a candyflip with light OEVs and a longer duration to me with pretty much no crash.

I would have a hard time deciding between them if I regularly had access to both.

 

[Diode]

1 Vote for 5-MeO-aMT, it's the king in my eyes!

 

[Help?!?!]

If mescaline or LSD were around i'd vote for either or.

 

[Section813]

aET

aET was much easier to control than aMT. It is a really fun material. It has more of a push than aMT and the come up is MUCH more gentle. Only trouble is it requires more material. I think some parallels could be drawn with the mdma/mda comparison with these two. I think you would have more votes for aET if it weren't so obscure.