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Extracting Codeine

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Ok, so I've no way of getting ahold of any kind of opiate (well except for heroin), unless I extract some from some pain killers.
I was reading the faq on erowid, however he says you've got to drink the water containing the codeine, however I'm more interested in using a solvent to extract the codeine and then filtering out everything else, then evaporating the solvent so I'm left with a powder I can then divide into empty caps or something like that.
The trouble is water would take FOREVER to evaporate off, especially since it is apparently not a good idea to keep it near heat or light.
does anyone know of any procedures/solvents that may be useful?
Thanks
 
You can easily just evaporate it, which isn't as much trouble as it seems.. you might be able to rig something like an a/b - Roches?
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I've read one where you put it in warm water to dissolve the opiate but not the acetametaphin, filter it, throw away the acetametiphin and cool the water down so the codiene is no longer dissolved, filter again and you have a relatively pure opiate that's just like wet powder, put it on a paper towel or something and let it dry in the dark, maybe use a low power fan or something but it won't take too too long to dry
I've never done this myself tho, and I might have the warm/cold mixed up
 
Linolium's method would work. Except you would get terrible yeilds. Codeine is very soluble in water, even when it is cold the water will hang on to alot of codeine.
 
I think you do have the warm/cold mixed up. Cold water extraction is what it is.
This brings up a ? about pseudoefedrine. One can't stand taking binder and colour out of pills. Can it be ordered in pure powder form, a small amount, without waving any flags? This is in relation to *threorhetical* methods of synthing meth.(I don't think I need to make a new thread for this, so thanks in advance for any advice).
 
You don't order p-fed or ephedrine as raw precursors. End of story.. if you want ephedrine then just acid/base it, easy as hell, great yeilds, you can't lose..
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My Dad gets pills for a bad back he has and after reading that info on extraction of Codeine on Erowids I got a little curious (I've never had Opiates b4 but I intend to change that
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It says:
500mg Paracetamol
30mg Codeine Phosphate
That little 'Phosphate' part on the end is enough to make me want to MAKE SURE. Can anyone re-assure me it's all good?
Thanks!
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That's what you're looking for. The phosphate, I believe, refers to the salt form that the codeine is in (as opposed to freebase codeine)
Anyways...codeine phosphate is the shit yer looking for.
 
I had those exact type of pain killers that you described above with 30mg of codeine in them. I tried the cold water extraction and then drank the foul tasting water afterwards but got little to no effect. I'm not sure if I got it wrong or not but I did try it several times.
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Bongbuddah, were these pills Panadeine Forte?
'Cause that's what mine (my dads
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Mr Geezer says THAT'S what I'm after, and BongBuddah says that he got no affect after several tries (possible error in extraction)...
Hmmm...
Anyone else care to elaborate? A moderator perhaps? I know they always have the right info and are so smart and good looking and yadda yadda, etc etc... (sucking up)
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i've never seen codeine as any salt except the phosphate. it causes some problems, because phosphate is triprotic, so there's actually three codeines bound to each phosphate.
hmm.. if you don't understand the salt thing... drugs themselves aren't normally soluble in water, because molecules need to be polar to dissolve in water. so in order to dissolve the molecule (which is all bristling with non-polar hydrogen-carbon bonds) you have to create a charge on it. this is done simply by reacting it with an acid; the acid donates one of its protons to the drug (usually at a nitrogen atom, for example an amino group) and the drug acquires a positive charge that makes it perfect for bonding with water... the acid (well, actually, the conjugate base of the acid =)), of course, will dissolve in water because it's negatively charged (and will donate its protons to water if it needs to...)
so codeine phosphate is simply codeine reacted with phosphoric acid.
now, this acid-base extraction.. not going into too much detail on the procedure because a) it's really basic and easy b) whoever made your Panadeine doesn't want you to do that.
but this is the theory...(using a nice inert molecule... aniline, which is simply a benzene ring with an amino group)...
first, if you react aniline (which is not soluble in water) with hydrochloric acid, you get anilinium chloride (-ium means positive ion[cation]). (if this was a drug, you'd probably call it "aniline hydrochloride", same thing; and i'll use that term to avoid confusion)
now suppose you were to react this water-soluble salt with a strong base like sodium hydroxide (or, in some cases, a weak base like sodium bicarbonate), that extra proton on the aniline will transfer to the strong base, because it has a much greater affinity for them than aniline does. (and meanwhile the chloride ions from the hydrochloric acid have been turned into a salt too, sodium chloride, because Cl- has a much greater affinity for sodium ions than it does for those positively-charged aniline ions) so now you have sodium chloride and aniline rather than aniline HCl. aniline is not soluble in water, and it will precipitate out of solution (technically it's an oil, but let's pretend it's crystals)
you could filter it, but it's much easier to then add something that aniline *will* dissolve in. say its diethyl ether. you'll get a layer of ether on top of the water, and the aniline will dissolve in that when you shake it. you could then evaporate the ether to yield pure aniline.
if you need the salt again (which you would if you planned on eating it), then it's not so simple. at least in theory, you can add acid to the ether and shake, and you will get the salt precipitating out.. only, since that acid has water in it, the salt will dissolve in the water.. so you have to be very careful, and neutralize any excess acid with sodium bicarbonate in the hopes that you don't add too much again, and neutralize the salt. you could then evaporate that, or better yet, recrystallize the product from it.
sorry for not doing the example with codeine but i think you know why i didn't =P if you want to try that, you need to look into whether codeine base (not phosphate) can be absorbed easily.. it's possible that it will be absorbed intranasally but i can't say for sure.
 
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