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why would you worship the god of the old testament?




if someone would clarify that would be great, i'm honestly ignorant to the faith beyond some reading of the old testament.
 
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It's quite simple really treezy, Just ask God to reveal Himself to you , you can be sat on the toilet, in the supermarket, it doesn't matter, all that matters is your heart, He knows if you're serious, after all, He did create you! That's what I believe, anyway.
 
If he HAD called it Devil worship that would be fair enough, but he also says he doesn't know much about it - bit of a difference, doncha think? Reporting that seems a bit extreme considering some of the things said on BL aimed directly at posters.

From the outside almost every Religion looks like devil worship - very few of the gods being worshipped seem to have much time for humans and once you start believing in an invisible friend, who's to know which is from Heaven and which is from Hell? It wouldn't be the first time I've heard someone suggest God actually lost the palace putsch and Lucifer had to 'be' God to keep it all running.

If you want offensive, how about pointing at every Religion that tells everyone else they are going to Hell because they don't believe exactly what the accuser believes? How about Churches that demonise everyone else and contributes to sending boys off to kill innocent people in other countries - seems to be a much better target for reporting.
 
Okay, maybe it was an over-reaction.

In another thread he described the God in the Old Testament as demonic.

Religion is a very sensitive subject.

Suggesting that Judaism is devil worship is likely to offend someone.

It could have been worded better.

If you want offensive, how about pointing at every Religion that tells everyone else they are going to Hell because they don't believe exactly what the accuser believes? How about Churches that demonise everyone else and contributes to sending boys off to kill innocent people in other countries - seems to be a much better target for reporting.
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I have not encountered anyone doing that on BL.

If I do, I will report them.

Reporting that seems a bit extreme considering some of the things said on BL aimed directly at posters.
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I'm getting a bit fed up with everyone shitting on religion in this forum.

A lot of people believe that Christianity and Judaism (and religions in general) are evil and there doesn't seem to be any way to convince them otherwise. I guess I should've given the OP the benefit of the doubt, and attempted to answer his question.

I apologize.

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What about the Old Testament seems like devil worship?

What percentage of the Old Testament does this pertain to?

Have you read the OT, in it's entirety? (I don't think you have.)

If not, what percentage of the OT have you read?
 
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I'm not sure if that means you've read half of the Bible or you think half of it makes Judaism seem like devil worship...

If you tell me which books you'd like clarification about, I will do my best.
The Bible (OT / NT) is an anthology of books, so you can't really lump it all together.

I understand how some of the books in the OT are prone to misinterpretation (especially these days), but not most of them let alone the whole OT.

Bible critics gravitate towards certain books because they're easy targets.
I assume you're going to mention Ecclesiastes, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and - maybe - Job?

Of the 3 or 4 dozen books in the OT, I struggle to see how more than a dozen of them can be interpreted as representative of a "demonic" deity or "devil worship".
 
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I'm talking about God being portrayed as a ruthless killa (killing most of life on the planet, all the first born Egyptians etc) I suppose I'm looking at it all too literarally, actually I know I am now that I've been called out. I suppose much of it has to do with human nature now that I stop and think.
 
Jesus was a rabbi. He certainly believed in the Old Testament. He was an expert on it. How can you reconcile that with your belief in him?
 
He had to be an expert on the scriptures and had to walk the impossibly fine line of agreeing with them while also disagreeing with them.
 
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He had to be an expert on the scriptures and had to walk the impossibly fine line of agreeing with them while also disagreeing with them.
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impossible for use but no problem for a holly
righteous and just man.
Jesus fullfilled the law by doing what no man or woman could or can do.
 
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Explain Judaism? Well what do you want to know? I mean, there's a lot to Judaism just as there's a lot to any religion. You obviously know that their scripture is the old testament which they call the Tanakh, a combination of the words Torah(the five books of moses), Nevi'im(The prophets), and Kethuvim(The writings. These are Psalms, Proverbs, Job, The song of songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, I chronicles, II chronicles). The torah is considered the most holy, the prophets the second most holy, and the writings the least holy. This is because the torah was said to have been given on mount Sinai in the presence of god, the prophets were said to have heard the voice of god but not have been in his presence, and the writings were written by divinely inspired men who didn't commune with God directly but were so pietous that their writings had bearing to the faith Judaism as a faith is concerned with following the laws of the Tanakh as best they can and when they fail to follow the law to do what needs to be done to make it right. They believe in life after death though since the torah doesn't talk about the afterlife much(its focus being life not death) beliefs vary between Jewish person to Jewish person. The most widespread belief relating to the afterlife is the world to come, an idea similar to heaven in some ways. Unlike Christianity and Islam, Judaism doesn't believe only its followers will have a place in the world to come but that anybody that lives a moral life will have a place there. How is morality defined? For none jews it following the 7 nohide laws(don't steal, don't kill, don't commit sexual crimes, don't worship idols, set up courts of lwa, don't eat the flesh of a live animal, don't blapheme god, and don't deny god), for jews its the 613 laws of the torah us any laws found in the prophets and the writings. For this reason among others Jews dont try to convert people to their faith, its much easier to get to the world to come by not being Jewish. As for Judaisms beliefs about god, theyre pretty simple. They believe he is one, having a unity that nothing else does. They belive he is the creator that created the world with only his voice. They believe he is both loving and severe. They believe he is all powerful, all knowing, and that his will is all that sustains all that exist.
 
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It's quite simple really treezy, Just ask God to reveal Himself to you , you can be sat on the toilet, in the supermarket, it doesn't matter, all that matters is your heart, He knows if you're serious, after all, He did create you! That's what I believe, anyway.
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yea and what if he doesnt reveal himself? does he ever reveal himself to anyone? it always seems like people just believe with no real proof, and my mother always trys to tell thats not the way it works... but althrough out the bible he is doing all kinds of crazy stuff to proove hes really out there... ive always felt that if he wanted me to believe he knows what he has to do and if hes such a great and caring god why wouldnt he just do it? ive heard all the bs explantions why he hasnt/ doesnt and wont but i try and live my life in a good way and if one day i have to stand before him and explain myself im prepaired to do that and im def going to ask why he was to petty to just proove his exsistence to me cause if that happened i would become the biggest christian this world has ever seen and he knows that
 
That makes me really happy, treezy.
I wish more critics of the OT would bother reading it, rather than just skipping through it until they find something they can pounce on.
It is a beautiful (however imperfect) book, full of timeless wisdom and breathtaking poetry.

Respect for being able to admit your mistake.
You're on a good path.

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I highly recommend reading The Book of Job.
In terms of literature, it's very impressive.
And, it's quite a long book.

One of the great ancient stories, IMO.
Keep in mind that the epilogue was most likely tacked on to satisfy the critics.
 
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Jesus was a rabbi. He certainly believed in the Old Testament. He was an expert on it. How can you reconcile that with your belief in him?
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Jesus was an Essene (like John the Baptist). He grew up in a puritan community that set them apart from the rest of the society he was living in. He was very unpopular with Rabbis and the religious authorities at that time.

If he had been a spokesman for the Rabbis they would have supported him, but he wasn't.
 
There's no evidence that he disagreed with Judaism.
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There is considerable evidence in the NT that Jesus believed common interpretations of the OT (and Judaic practices in general) were imperfect and required change.
Judiasm doesn't accept Christ as the messiah, because you can't really be Jewish and believe in the teachings of someone who criticized Judaism.

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Like I said earlier, he had to walk an impossibly (read: crucifixion) fine line.
 
He put an end to the temple offerings and the Roman authorities at the time said he spoke as more of a friend of the Romans than the Jews.
 
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