Ex-Heavy Ecstasy User. Bad Experience.

[areyoojordan]

Hi everyone, im a 17 yr old senior in high school, and during my sophmore and beginning of junior year ive popped around 100 pills. I was at the peak of my use during 2nd semester of sophomore year, using every 1-2 weeks, occasionally more than once a week.

Recently, ive dropped 1nce a month max, when temptation hits when friends are planning to do it. After this experience, im better off quitting for good.

On my last trip, I was having a trip, enjoying music, lights, with my friends. All of a sudden, i feel like my brain was literally melting from the inside for a second and my head was being pulled down. It was as if a hole was made in my brain .___. I put my head down and close my eyes for a second as im holding my head with my hands, and its over in a second. I look up and eveythings normal, and im rolling again. It was the wierdest thing, and now im really scared about my health because of that incident. It wasnt a pain, it was more of an intense throbbing/meltdown feeling coming from the inside. I would really want to know what this was and what the cause of this was, please help. Im growing up and I want my whole body to be in shape so i can get ready for the life ahead of me.

Recently ive been smoking a huge amount of bud during/after my trips if that makes any difference.

 

[AylaV]

Hi everyone, im a 17 yr old senior in high school, and during my sophmore and beginning of junior year ive popped around 100 pills. I was at the peak of my use during 2nd semester of sophomore year, using every 1-2 weeks, occasionally more than once a week.

Recently, ive dropped 1nce a month max, when temptation hits when friends are planning to do it. After this experience, im better off quitting for good.

On my last trip, I was having a trip, enjoying music, lights, with my friends. All of a sudden, i feel like my brain was literally melting from the inside for a second and my head was being pulled down. It was as if a hole was made in my brain .___. I put my head down and close my eyes for a second as im holding my head with my hands, and its over in a second. I look up and eveythings normal, and im rolling again. It was the wierdest thing, and now im really scared about my health because of that incident. It wasnt a pain, it was more of an intense throbbing/meltdown feeling coming from the inside. I would really want to know what this was and what the cause of this was, please help. Im growing up and I want my whole body to be in shape so i can get ready for the life ahead of me.

Recently ive been smoking a huge amount of bud during/after my trips if that makes any difference.

It is my personal opinion that drugs can cause all sorts of things to happen (MDxx has psychedelic properties) and it sounds like you were just rolling and something bizarre happened. You are fine, but I'd suggest slowing down on your MDxx use anyway. You haven't done any harm or permanent damage to yourself, and you most definitely did NOT put a hole in your brain Just chill out -- you're fine!!

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

^That sounds just a wee bit rash to me. If you took as much MDx as you said then theirs a very good chance indeed that your brain is still recovering from being abused; hopefully you aren't permanently damaged.

If you continue your use as you were than Im almost positive that you will incur permanent damage. In my opinion your brain was trying to tell you that your use is destroying it; id listen to it. In fact, I think its good for you to be scared right now because then maybe you'll wise up.


If I were you I'd stay away from molly for good...period. She doesn't like being f***** with.

 

[F1n1shed]

Yea i wouldn't say you are in the safe zone, but not in the danger zone either. That should be a warning to slow down. If you kept up the usage you were doing earlier i would strongly believe you would induce some damage ( some probably being perm ). I would urge you to even take longer than a month in between rolls, try 1 month and a half or 2 if you can. The longer , the better

 

[lostNfound]

You haven't done any harm or permanent damage to yourself

I would disagree with this.

yes there are studies that have been done indicating that MDXX does not harm the brain as once thought. However, the amount pills taken in this short a time span is completely irresponsible, especially at 17 FFS.

I'm not really one to talk though, in my first years dropping MDMA / MDA I would have dropped somewhere between 600-800 pingers. Stupid I know, but no one could tell me any the wiser back then.

I used 5-htp for a time and always used multivitamins, fish oils etc etc coupled with a generally healthy diet.

I crashed and burned many times.

It's been a a number of years since I binged and I've only indulged a couple of times in the last two years.

Even now when I drop the magic isn't really there I just get a slight buzz but mind you I haven't had a quality MDXX pill in the last couple years either.

The brain is an amazing thing and will heal over time.

You are still young and your brain is still developing, I suggest slowing right down altogether for a while.
Let your batteries recharge for a few months at least before having another go at it.

Be smart and enjoy the drug, don't abuse it.

 

[trancerage]

^That sounds just a wee bit rash to me. If you took as much MDx as you said then theirs a very good chance indeed that your brain is still recovering from being abused; hopefully you aren't permanently damaged.

If you continue your use as you were than Im almost positive that you will incur permanent damage. In my opinion your brain was trying to tell you that your use is destroying it; id listen to it. In fact, I think its good for you to be scared right now because then maybe you'll wise up.


If I were you I'd stay away from molly for good...period. She doesn't like being f***** with.

please show me where the heck do you get that E is going to do perm damage??? And since when your brain gives you bad trips to alert you that you are abusing of him??? that was ridiculous to say the least.

E is hardly doing any perm damage on the brain, at least thats what the studies say...

To OP, I think you just had a bad trip, but, what the fuck are you doing poping out pills the way you are??? I would say, wtf are you doing doing x at 15??? quit MDXx for a loooong time, get older, enjoy life as you are so freaking young... Theres plenty of time for doing E in the future...

 

[broagan]

razorgirl molly

 

[caseface99]

please show me where the heck do you get that E is going to do perm damage??? And since when your brain gives you bad trips to alert you that you are abusing of him??? that was ridiculous to say the least.

E is hardly doing any perm damage on the brain, at least thats what the studies say...

To OP, I think you just had a bad trip, but, what the fuck are you doing poping out pills the way you are??? I would say, wtf are you doing doing x at 15??? quit MDXx for a loooong time, get older, enjoy life as you are so freaking young... Theres plenty of time for doing E in the future...

What studies? certainly using ecstasy responsibly doesn't cause damage but using ecstasy as irresponsibly as the OP - that's a whole other story, and at 17 none the less. Let your brain develop first bro, take it easy on the rolls.

 

[bben]

you are without a doubt doing serious damage to your serotonin system by doing that much that quick, but who is to say if you will notice it or not, pray you dont.

 

[Legerity]

I wouldn't think that this particular experience is indicative of any damage. Maybe you can examine your MDMA use overall and whether or not it is having any harmful effects, but it doesn't seem that this one particular experience is really something you need to worry about.

 

[eon_blue]

Anyone who thinks that a 15 year old taking dozens and dozens of pills over the course of a few months isn't doing any kind of extended damage to their brain needs a serious reality check.

Kids shouldn't take MDMA period in my opinion. Wait until the brain in fully developed. It's such a strong substance with an enormous pull (especially for a naive teenager) that the risks far outweigh any positives that could come of the experience.

It's a sad state of affairs to see the title of this thread "Ex-Heavy Ecstasy User" and then read that the OP is 17 years old Seems to be happening more and more often lately on here.

 

[AylaV]

^That sounds just a wee bit rash to me. If you took as much MDx as you said then theirs a very good chance indeed that your brain is still recovering from being abused; hopefully you aren't permanently damaged.

If you continue your use as you were than Im almost positive that you will incur permanent damage. In my opinion your brain was trying to tell you that your use is destroying it; id listen to it. In fact, I think its good for you to be scared right now because then maybe you'll wise up.


If I were you I'd stay away from molly for good...period. She doesn't like being f***** with.

Damage? yes. Permanent? no. I used quite a bit more than this for much, much longer and, afaik, i've emerged relatively unscathed =)

 

[Bsiren]

All the legitimate extensive research I've come across shows that mdma damage is reversible withk time. There's a lot of biased BS out there.

 

[LADOLCEVITA]

Anyone who thinks that a 15 year old taking dozens and dozens of pills over the course of a few months isn't doing any kind of extended damage to their brain needs a serious reality check.

Kids shouldn't take MDMA period in my opinion. Wait until the brain in fully developed. It's such a strong substance with an enormous pull (especially for a naive teenager) that the risks far outweigh any positives that could come of the experience.

It's a sad state of affairs to see the title of this thread "Ex-Heavy Ecstasy User" and then read that the OP is 17 years old Seems to be happening more and more often lately on here.

^^^^this. agree 100 percent

 

[rickolasnice]

MDMA does produce long-lasting changes to the serotonergic system at some doses. These long-term changes include decreases in brain concentrations of the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-HT) and its metabolite 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA). Levels of tryptophan hydroxylase (TPH), the enzyme that begins the synthesis of 5-HT within the serotonergic nerve cell are decreased. There are also decreases in the density of the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT), the protein on the membrane of serotonergic neurons that recycles released 5-HT by pulling it back into the cell. Most studies suggest that MDMA primarily causes long-term changes in serotonergic axons that have their cell bodies in an area of the brainstem called the dorsal raphe nucleus.

Long-lasting decreases in these serotonergic markers suggest that either (a) some type of "down regulation" has occurred, meaning the nerve cell is making and maintaining less of the markers, or (b) that serotonergic axons are permanently lost. The question of whether MDMA is truly neurotoxic stems from this issue. Down regulation suggests an active adaptation to drug effects, while axonal loss suggests true damage may have occurred. Determining which actually happens can be difficult. SERT density may change in response to drugs, but this has been difficult to consistently demonstrate (Le Poul, 2000; Ramamoorthy, 1998). Similarly, 5-HT levels can be influenced by diet and other factors. Because MDMA has been shown to rapidly inactivate the enzyme TPH, decreased 5-HT levels would be expected until TPH activity returns to normal. Thus, decreased 5-HT synthesis and subsequent SERT down-regulation initially appear to be a plausible explanation for MDMA-induced serotonergic changes. By examining the structure of serotonergic axons in MDMA-exposed animals, however, it is clear that MDMA can also cause axonal loss.

MDMA is a blatent neurotoxin.

 

[rickolasnice]

High or repeated-dose MDMA regimens can produce long-term changes in indices of serotonergic and axonal functioning in animals. Increasing evidence supports the view that these changes are at least partially the result of damage. The magnitude of these serotonergic changes varies with dose, species, and route of administration. Rodent studies have shown that changes in the core temperature of animals can increase or decrease MDMA neurotoxicity. While some recovery does occur, a study in squirrel monkeys suggests that there may be permanent changes in axonal distribution in some areas of the brain. Oxidative stress appears to play an important role in MDMA neurotoxicity, although the exact mechanisms are poorly understood. The sustained acute pharmacological effects of MDMA may exhaust neuronal energy sources and antioxidant defenses, leading to damage. Metabolites of MDMA are another possible source of oxidative stress. Very few behavioral correlates of MDMA exposure have been found in drug-free laboratory animals, despite dramatic serotonergic changes, alterations in neurofunctioning, and changes in response to drugs. A growing number of studies describe differences between ecstasy users and nonusers. These studies have serious limitations, but suggest that some ecstasy users experience serotonergic changes and cognitive alterations. In contrast to studies of illicit users, the few controlled clinical trials with MDMA in healthy volunteers have reportedly not found evidence of cognitive changes, despite cerebral blood flow alterations in one study. The possible risks of neurotoxicity must be considered when assessing the potential administration of MDMA to humans.

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[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

please show me where the heck do you get that E is going to do perm damage??? And since when your brain gives you bad trips to alert you that you are abusing of him??? that was ridiculous to say the least.

E is hardly doing any perm damage on the brain, at least thats what the studies say...

To OP, I think you just had a bad trip, but, what the fuck are you doing poping out pills the way you are??? I would say, wtf are you doing doing x at 15??? quit MDXx for a loooong time, get older, enjoy life as you are so freaking young... Theres plenty of time for doing E in the future...

Seriously? Its common knowledge that one of the metabolites that MDMA breaks down into is MDA, which is a known neuro-toxin. MDMA has shown in an overwhelming percentage of studies that abuse at this level for a prolonged period of time results in permanent brain damage; many say that a single dose can do the same. Ill be the smart one and heed this warning; hell, Id pay attention if only one study said that.


Your second question makes no sense. MDMA has been touted as part Hallucinogen and part Stimulant. Hallucinogens put you in psychological hell when you abuse them, as do stimulants. Knowing that he did abuse MDMA, would it not make sense for his brain to cry out in some way after too much abuse? Im not saying that this is the only possibility of what happened, but it seems likely given his circumstances.


next time before calling my rhetoric "ridiculous to say the least" Id suggest you know what the hell youre talking about, because I do.

 

[OnePageMemory]

Take a 6+ month break and it should feel like you have a full brain again. When I was doing month to month each time it felt like my serotonin was coming out from deeper in my brain. Yeah people say wait a month between usage but it really takes like 4+ months for your serotonin levels to be fully back to normal. After I popped on my 5th month break it felt like I had a full brain again.