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ever seen somthing that affects you for awhile

so they don't move if what I was told...it was my first time
they were not stuck together just individually wrapped half way up the leg
 
That's weird... Anyways, I still think it's better to put them down yourself if you have the means. A lot more humane than putting it in a cage and driving to some weird place to have a stranger do it imo. I also don't like the people that let their animals suffer just to live longer. (You know the people with a dog that can barely walk.) As hard as it may be I think it's better to put it down earlier on.
 
The story about a woman dying after letting a dog fuck her kept playing on my mind all night the other day.

Watched the 3 kids with the hammer and hasn't really affected me, it's sick as fuck but for some reason hasn't got me. didn't want to watch there trial video as it was said there was images/footage of them torturing cats and dogs :(
 
I saw something horrific on the 4th of July a few years ago on DXM and 5-meo-dmt. I watched as a little boy on a bike sustained injuries that cost him his life 2 days after the accident. Both boy and bike went under the vehicle. It still screws with me today. It is a big part of why I gave up DXM, every time I took it I saw that image again. Poor kid.

This wasn't some internet video, it happened about 30' in front of me. I still feel guilty, I somehow got the idea in my head that if I wasn't on drugs, I might have been able to prevent the accident from occurring. It wouldn't have made a difference, but the thought still pops up from time to time.
 
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^ wow - i am so sorry. that is a terrible, terrible thing to experience. my heart goes out to you. <3

Anyways, I still think it's better to put them down yourself if you have the means. A lot more humane than putting it in a cage and driving to some weird place to have a stranger do it imo.

due to sensitivity toward animal cruelty, there's no way i'd be able to kill my pet unless it were in very DIRE circumstances. additionally, i don't own a gun and never will. in samadhi's case, she didn't even know she wasn't leaving without her kitty, which happens pretty frequently, i imagine. while taking an animal to the vet might be stressful to a healthy pet, i'd reckon many times critically ill animals are too fatigued to care.

going to the vet to have it done properly gives the owner the benefit of being able to hold their pet, caress and comfort them while they pass on painlessly which to me, seems more humane (and less cold) than pointing a gun to your pet's head and pulling the trigger. in my beloved pets' last moments, i want be right there with him or her, touching their little paws so they know they aren’t alone.

samadhi and PI - so sorry for your losses and the difficult images of your last moments together. do feel comforted that you were able to be there for your sweet kitties when they passed on and keep close the happy memories they provided. <3
 
egor - I remember seeing the aftermath of a car/bike accident - the bike rider died from his injuries, but i witnessed people trying to resuscitate him - i can't imagine what it would have been like to see it actually occur :(

due to sensitivity toward animal cruelty, there's no way i'd be able to kill my pet unless it were in very DIRE circumstances. additionally, i don't own a gun and never will. in samadhi's case, she didn't even know she wasn't leaving without her kitty, which happens pretty frequently, i imagine. while taking an animal to the vet might be stressful to a healthy pet, i'd reckon many times critically ill animals are too fatigued to care.

going to the vet to have it done properly gives the owner the benefit of being able to hold their pet, caress and comfort them while they pass on painlessly which to me, seems more humane (and less cold) than pointing a gun to your pet's head and pulling the trigger. in my beloved pets' last moments, i want be right there with him or her, touching their little paws so they know they aren’t alone.

samadhi and PI - so sorry for your losses and the difficult images of your last moments together. do feel comforted that you were able to be there for your sweet kitties when they passed on and keep close the happy memories they provided. <3

Fawkes, your posts got me all teary and i agree with you wholeheartedly. As you said, i had no idea little Fal was not going to come home with me... and there is no way in hell that that i could shoot him. I can't even comprehend that. I don't know if animals even care, but I just couldn't have the last image i see of my beloved furry friend be down the barrel of a gun... the thought that the last thing my cat sees is me point a gun at him is almost too much to bear.

Amor, if i had known that Fal was to be euthanised that night, i would have had the vet come to us. We did that with one of our dogs who had been baited. He was too sick to move, and the vet came to our place. :(
 
I saw something horrific on the 4th of July a few years ago on DXM and 5-meo-dmt. I watched as a little boy on a bike sustained injuries that cost him his life 2 days after the accident. Both boy and bike went under the vehicle. It still screws with me today. It is a big part of why I gave up DXM, every time I took it I saw that image again. Poor kid.

I used to work a graveyard shift and would get off around 7 AM. Driving home one morning, there was a school bus in front of me doing its daily route. It stopped to pick up a child who was waiting on the other side of the street. The red stop signs came out from the sides of the bus the way it always does and I slowly came to a stop behind it. The little girl started to cross the street when I noticed the car in the oncoming lane wasn't planning on stopping any time soon. Everything kind of slowed down at the moment, almost as if my disbelief had suspended time. Then everything snapped back into place as the car came to a screeching (and I mean screeching) halt less than a foot away from it's potential victim. The kid was startled and took a step back onto the sidewalk but had the car not stopped it would have surely run her over. I could see the lady in the car through her windshield, talking on her cellphone and visibly shaken. She ended her call and lit up a cig.

No one was hurt that morning, thank god, but it still kinda haunts me in a small way. I can't imagine how much worse it would be had the lady not stopped in time. Sorry you had to see something like that. Sorry anyone does.

And Samadhi, my worst fear at the moment is losing my best friend (my dog). She's healthy (albeit a little on the chubby side) and just a few years old, but even now it's in the back of my mind. My condolences for your loss. <3
 
in F&T someone mentioned The Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs and an accompanying video they shot (and was leaked for the world to view) brutally murdering one of their 21 victims. upon reading about these horribly depraved individuals, i was taken to an article concerning the video that i felt most of us posting here can relate to on some degree. be advised there are some details concerning the murders which may be difficult to stomach and for that, i'd placed the article in nsfw tags.

i think however if you've seen something disturbing that has stuck with you as the writer of this article has, it's an honest but good read and definitely put into better words than i could how witnessing something awful might affect a person.

From The Times
January 12, 2009

It took 1 min 47 seconds for my memory to become host to a horror that will never go
It is the details in watching someone die that are the most awful and rattle you the most

Caitlin Moran

Four weeks ago I saw a murder on the internet. There isn't a punchline to this; it is not an intriguing play on words. Four weeks ago someone on a chatboard posted a link, with the exhortation: “See if you can keep your breakfast down after watching this! I couldn't!”

Since “See if you can keep your breakfast down after watching this!” is, as one poster pointed out later, the kind of comment that, in the 21st century, precedes a link to a very fat woman trying to get out of a very small car or - if the chatboard is really bitchy - that shot where Mischa Barton is mixing Lacroix and Chanel very badly, quite a few of us clicked on the link.

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Instead, it took us to some footage shot on a mobile phone, in some bland, murky woodland. It appears to be early summer. Fifteen feet away there's a man on the ground. It's immediately clear that a great many terrible things have happened to him quite recently, and that he will die very, very soon.

The point of writing about this is that I have not really felt the same since I saw the murder, so I am not going to describe things in great detail - even though it is the details in watching someone die that are the most awful, and fascinating, and that rattle you the most.

Of the non-gory things, it is the man's trousers - grey, slightly worn but ironed; the kind that a poor, proud man would wear if he were going to the bank, say, or visiting more well-to-do friends - that were the most upsetting. He had dressed in great calm, and great order. He was now dying in unimaginable disorder and distress.

I do have to tell you that the man was being tortured - and not torture as shown on television dramas or films, which often looks like an aerobics session with a particularly strict personal trainer. One where you just have to “work through the burn” for a few minutes, like Madonna, before effecting an exciting escape. Two similar-looking teenagers were gathered around the man, and their torture was about brutally killing someone very slowly.

The footage is nearly seven minutes long. I stopped watching after 1.47. I felt physically different - very very high, in a bad way, as if I were going to pass out. I was also, with sudden irrationality, worried that the footage might in some way damage my computer, which I turned off, then unplugged, then covered with a cloth.

I think really that that is what I would have liked to do with my brain, but I couldn't. I still wasn't really sure what I'd seen. A large part of me was working on the hopeful premise that it was a very convincing drama project by some students - the kind of thing that was about to become a big viral hit, and about which the Daily Mail would become enjoyably enraged.

Simultaneously, I was telling myself that it was probably a revenge attack - that this man had attacked a lover, killed a child, and although his murder was awful, in a world of almost infinite sorrow it was not the unconscionably profane insult to humanity that it first appeared to be. I was using the thought of torturous retribution as a comfort.

At 3pm, doing the school run, I walked past the zebra crossings and recycling boxes, thinking what a surreal, inappropriate thing it was to be a mother of two, in a pair of bourgeois Ugg boots, going to pick up her children from school while thinking of a man being murdered in a wood.

Of course, it did occur to me that for whole generations - whole populations - walking down a street thinking of murder and death is absolutely commonplace. I could see why my granddad - in common with most men returning from the front - never talked about what had happened. I'd always thought that it was because they didn't want to say “I've killed a man” or “I saw a man being killed”, as the simple immensity of the fact would be upsetting. I realised now that it wasn't the simple, enormous facts that were upsetting but, as I mentioned before, the details, instead.

Any follow-up statement to “I killed a man” would involve the unexpected, quiet, horrible sounds; the sudden crash course in the structure of the skull; the slowness and then the quickness of blood. Best not to make the initial pronouncement in the first place.

By the time I got back home - on a walk during which I held the girls' hands far more tightly than usual - everyone on the messageboard was in uproar. Ric had found out more about the footage, and posted a Wikipedia link on the subject. The murder really was a murder - and not a drama project after all.

It happened in 2007, as part of a summer-long spree in which 21 people were murdered in Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine. The trial is still going on. With possibly the biggest and most immediate sadness I have ever felt in my life, one penultimate sentence noted that most of the victims were vulnerable people - vagrants, the elderly, a pregnant woman, children. There was no comforting aspect of revenge.

And now, the additional nauseous business of the subconscious - for one unstoppable, white-light second - reimagining it all with children.

I don't want to overstate the whole thing, or be too dramatic. I had two subsequent nights during which getting to sleep was quite difficult, and I had to climb into my youngest child's bed and wrap myself right round her while pints of anxiety sat, like bad alcohol, in my guts. But it hasn't driven me insane, or made me question my world view. I am still an essentially shallow optimist. I am not damaged.

What I am, however, is host to something that will never leave. It made me realise that you should take great care in what you choose - often in a cavalier moment - to place in your memory, because some things will sit there for ever, like a bad seed; like a shadow on the moon; like a crow on a fence in a dream.

A very tiny part of me now, and will always, consist of an elderly man dying in a wood in Ukraine.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article5483397.ece
 
going to the vet to have it done properly gives the owner the benefit of being able to hold their pet, caress and comfort them while they pass on painlessly which to me, seems more humane (and less cold) than pointing a gun to your pet's head and pulling the trigger. in my beloved pets' last moments, i want be right there with him or her, touching their little paws so they know they aren’t alone.

They don't know what the gun is, and you could always wait til it was asleep. As long as it's a headshot it's instantaneous. It's not something I really need to worry about tho because I don't live in the country, but I do know there are people that put down their own animals. Typically more often with dogs. It's a bit brutal, but I don't think it's any less humane than putting a dying animal in a cage and driving it to the vet and waiting for the vet to do basically the same thing.
 
Just to add to what fawkes had to say - some vets will come to your house and let your beloved friends pass away in a familiar place... just a thought.

Ah I didn't know if they did that or not. That's a good option. I need to get off this subject tho because I'm taking my cat in tomorrow for a check up. 8(
 
What kind of stupid ass comment is that? My cat had a sore and needed a check up, but thanks for the concern.
 
When I was younger I would seek out disturbing videos on the internet but after seeing some disturbing photos of dead babies and murder scene photos,I was left feeling really unsettled and ever since then I have avoided the sites that have such material.
Some things should remain unseen as they can't be easily forgotten.
 
don't think its been mentioned yet but the R.Budd Dywer video where a senator/ MP type shoots himself through the mouth with a magnum at a press conference , it is widely regarded as the most graphic images ever caught on camera. According to Kurt Cobain biographer Charles r. cross, Cobain was an avid watcher of this video during 1992/93.
Theres a link to the video at bottom of the wiki article about Budd dywer, for those who wish to see it.
 
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sadly i have seen it ,somone die'n quickly doesnt cause much problem ,torture would b the worst ,alright ima just say it

slowly cuting a head off is the worst ,even though soon as the corodid(sp) artey is hit im sure they lose conscience

even saw a impailement video ,shit like that man....ugh
 
The other night I went to see a neighbor who was dying... She didn't recognize me. We've been living by each other for the better part of the past decade in addition to working together for nearly two years, and seeing her almost every other day. When I said I used to have longer hair and made a motion to my shoulders to show the length, a strong look of concern and grief came over her face and she reached up to touch her hair, as if to make sure it was still there... Her daughter comforted her, telling her that no one cut her hair... She died the next morning...

I have a feeling this will stick with me for quite some time... She was an exceptionally kind woman. Seeing her in that state was deeply saddening. :(

RIP Virginia
 
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