Europe's approach to drugs is more enlightened ... it's tougher

If the weed in england is anywhere near as strong as they make out, surely the weed being smoked over in merry holland would just fry your brain? :|
 
What about all the medical pot being sold out here in Cali? Psychotic cancer patients voted Schwarzenegger in didnt they...
 
ATF said:
The choice is between making the addicts we have, and are inevitably going to have, criminals or treating them as people with an illness.
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How about a third option? How about treating users as people who have made a lifestyle choice, like vegetarianism or religion. Making drug use a illness is only going to bring on greater nightmares, it will work as well as when homosexuality was something to be cured.

Drug users are still in the closet so to speak, we need to come out and shock the fuck out of the world when they find out who we are and the positions we occupy in society. Show everyone that we are not just disheveled vagrants muttering in an alley. I enjoy the hell out of drugs and have been physically addicted to several but I have never felt I had an illness. Does a gourmet have a illness? Is a wine lover an alcoholic?

Everyone here knows why users love the illness option, its a get out of jail free card for those affluent enough(or the right race in certain areas) to take rehab instead of prison. And to publicly absolve themselves of their actions, after all you can't hold someone responsible for an illness right?

What we need to do is get on juries as much as possible, LIE when asked about opinions on drugs and then do our patriotic duty and refuse to convict on any drug crime. We need to stand up in court and say no I was not ill, I did it because I enjoy it and once the chance next arises I will do it again.
Instead of going for a master with a softer touch(legal vs. medical) we need to go through the painful process of casting off these masters PERIOD.
 
paranoid android said:
Anybody with a brain could figure out that there is nothing wrong with drug use. It should be made legal no doubt about it then maybe we could stop putting junkies in prison.
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What?

I have a brain, and I don't think that,
1. Everyone agrees with you, and...
2. That it is nearly as simple as you probably think.

Why can't I just go get my drugs? Safe and easy, and not to mention CHEAP!
Well, lets be certain that A LOT of people will be doing this, and I just
can't wait to see how many auto accidents are just waiting to occur. That
being one small change, the list could and would go on. The drug trade in
America is an empire. Everyone's pockets are getting lined. Do you have any
idea what legalizing drugs would do to the economy?

You are a reductionist. You reduce things of complexity and structure, to 1+1=ITS SO DAMN EASY... not
 
Oh there would still be much economy to be had in legalized drugs, thats one of the main arguments for it. Taxation, branding, etc.!
That is also one of the main reasons it is having so much trouble changing, those making all the money off of ridiculously priced black market substances dont want to lose that, and use whatever influence they have to work against legalization.
 
These types of comparisons, between different approaches to drugs, would be much more viable if there were distinctions made between various drugs. It's crazy to treat all "drugs" the same!

If the concern is addiction, why not at least decriminalize weed and hallucinogens, as these are not addictive? Why not treat opiates, benzos, cocaine/crack, and meth differently than other drugs?

And they lose all credibility when they suggest that "drugs" are different things than alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine.

Furthermore, does this Queen of Sweden ever drink alcohol? That causes more societal problems than all illegal drugs combined. If she imbibes, perhaps she should give herself a choice of treatment or jail!
 
Johnny1 said:
These types of comparisons, between different approaches to drugs, would be much more viable if there were distinctions made between various drugs. It's crazy to treat all "drugs" the same!

If the concern is addiction, why not at least decriminalize weed and hallucinogens, as these are not addictive? Why not treat opiates, benzos, cocaine/crack, and meth differently than other drugs?

And they lose all credibility when they suggest that "drugs" are different things than alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine.

Furthermore, does this Queen of Sweden ever drink alcohol? That causes more societal problems than all illegal drugs combined. If she imbibes, perhaps she should give herself a choice of treatment or jail!
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Sweden, along with the other Scandinavian countries(except for Denmark) are the toughest regarding alcohol restriction there are, excluding some Islamic countries. Alcohol is only sold in state owned stores, the minimum age is 18 for weak beer(up to 2-3%), it's 21 for normal beer(up to 5-6%) and 23 for strong liquer like whiskey and wodka. The alcohol taxes there are some of the highest in the world as well. Th funny thing is, it only makes the Scandinavian drinking problem worse; youths who are under the legal drinking limit distill there own anti-freeze like concoctions, often containing toxic methanol as by product, at times killing the kids who drink it. The adults who are of legal drinking age all go on "booze journeys" with the ferry to Denmark, where their mission is to get as pissed as possible, which even makes Brits on a drinking strawl or Czechs on a beer brawl look pale in comparisson, and then they go back to Sweden, by either foot, car or trauma helicopter with a severe alcohol poisoning. Or they just extend their journey to Germany, stock up as much alcohol as legally allowed, and take it all back to Sweden to drink it at home, curcemventing the high taxes at home. So all in all, the Swedish system is absolute shit, and only makes things worse for it's citizens.

Like already said though, everytime it amazes how dumb, ignorant and uneducated some journalists and editors are, when I read newsarticles mentioning Europe as being a fucking country. It's the most diverse continent of all, with the largest differences between individual states you could find. From Scandinavia to the Mediterranean, from the Baltic to the Balkan, and from the Iberian peninsula to the Benelux, all countries have different policies and cultures. While some countries are pretty or even very liberal, with their drug policies as well, most aren't. Ow well, newspapers always only pick out the facts they like anyway ...
 
"which even makes Brits on a drinking strawl or Czechs on a beer brawl look pale in comparisson"

yeh...but...they were anyway?


I've always thought the globe and mail was shit but this is jes crazy. i actually thought the op had written it himself cuz it seemed to amateurish and shittily written. cant believe the national newspaper publishes shit like this.
even the way she was talking about "the queen of sweden" sounds so retarded
 
callupjah said:
What havn't you heard of the 'skunk crazed killers' addicted to '30x stronger super skunk'...8(
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In mine country u can get that skunk , here its called haze .
And its not 30X stronger lets say 15x .
And i pay 14euro /gr for it, in the coffeshop , its a cupwinner here .
The best for the moment here is super silverhaze (cupwinner last year )
 
^ No, not Europe itself. One of the European countries, the Netherlands. The guy is talking about how he pay's €14 a gram at the coffeeshop, there's only one country in the world where you can both pay with Euro's and buy cannabis and hash at the coffeeshop.
 
Ow well, doesn't matter, as long as you're having fun yourself, don't bother if anyone else finds you humor funny. I'm always the one laughing the hardest about my own jokes as well :D
 
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