Benzos etizolam - paradoxical anxiety

[timsul999]

so today i took 2 1/2 mg before work, and i was a fucking mess through the whole night. I've been sort of iffy on this drug from the start, but tonight it noticeably made me feel MUCH worse before I had taken it. it was like i was in a stupor; i couldn't think straight or converse with anyone and I NEEDED to. it felt like instead of taking etizolam i took a moderate dose of some dirty-ass deliriant drug.
what's the fucking deal? are some benzos known to induce paradoxical anxiety during the effects? after i got home I threw the rest of the etizolam in the trash can.

I feel fine now, took some kratom to calm myself. it's like, i wish I could at least self-medicate with an anxiolytic that isn't complete bullshit. back to weekly phenibut...

I mean has this happened to anyone else with any sort of benzo or derivatives? really. what the fuck happened?

 

[sekio]

this is a known issue with benzodiazepines. some people seem to get outright wrong effects. there are individuals that will be in a hallucinatory delerium if you give them 10mg valium...

the only thing you can do is avoid bzd usage in future.

 

[RobotRipping]

I would not recommend phenibut, there are more than enough horror stories of the withdrawals around now.

some benzos in particular seem to cause paradoxical reactions, especially lorazepam.

i'll happily dig through your trash can though. etizolam is the best anxiolytic i've ever been on, hands down better than any benzo i've tried.

it does happen, never heard of it happening with etizolam though, maybe try a different supplier or a different gabaergic, other than phenibut.

maybe your etizolam was cross contaminated with something, who knows unless you have a trustworthy vendor who lab tests each batch.

 

[timsul999]

I would not recommend phenibut, there are more than enough horror stories of the withdrawals around now.

some benzos in particular seem to cause paradoxical reactions, especially lorazepam.

i'll happily dig through your trash can though. etizolam is the best anxiolytic i've ever been on, hands down better than any benzo i've tried.

it does happen, never heard of it happening with etizolam though, maybe try a different supplier or a different gabaergic, other than phenibut.

maybe your etizolam was cross contaminated with something, who knows unless you have a trustworthy vendor who lab tests each batch.

had the intas pharm packs :/
nevertheless, I ordered more from a a different source. did this a couple days earlier because i wasn't happy with the pills. ya know it's lab-tested, perfect nmr and all that jazz (even in liquid form!) but i have a feeling I really shouldn't be making investments with anymore RCs for now... ugh
phenibut is awesome if used WEEKLY, no more. which makes it kinda useless.... but it's nice.

 

[velmwend]

phenibut is awesome if used WEEKLY, no less. which makes it kinda useless.... but it's nice.

Phenibut is a beautiful, once a week treat

 

[RobotRipping]

had the intas pharm packs :/
nevertheless, I ordered more from a a different source. did this a couple days earlier because i wasn't happy with the pills. ya know it's lab-tested, perfect nmr and all that jazz (even in liquid form!) but i have a feeling I really shouldn't be making investments with anymore RCs for now... ugh
phenibut is awesome if used WEEKLY, no less. which makes it kinda useless.... but it's nice.

that's strange but i guess it does happen. I'm assuming you don't have severe anxiety/panic disorder though, in which case i wouldn't bother with etizolam anyway. I really wanted to try phenibut but i know i'd end up using it every day and likely combining it with benzos/etizolam. That sucks though because etizolam is a gem IMO. Maybe an allergy to something in the pill binders? I actually get a paradoxical reaction from clonazepam and phenazepam where the two throw me into mania every time, but never had that issue with other benzos or etizolam.

 

[timsul999]

that's strange but i guess it does happen. I'm assuming you don't have severe anxiety/panic disorder though, in which case i wouldn't bother with etizolam anyway. I really wanted to try phenibut but i know i'd end up using it every day and likely combining it with benzos/etizolam. That sucks though because etizolam is a gem IMO. Maybe an allergy to something in the pill binders? I actually get a paradoxical reaction from clonazepam and phenazepam where the two throw me into mania every time, but never had that issue with other benzos or etizolam.

it's in fact the exact opposite. I'm pathologically afraid of social rejection and shrivel up around people; i was borderline mute growing up, and I still have trouble talking to people naturally. I can't find words to say, get mush-mouth, it's like word paralysis. the anxiety's definitely a fucking brick wall, but i don't know if i'd refer to it as SAD. i still don't really know what that means, and the objective definition in the dsm or whatever doesn't really fit me too well. i'm afraid of everyone.

that's not to say i've not improved with all this: I have, but it's definitely still present.
this leads me to my interest with etizolam and everything else: to make life easier and to just relax. maybe i'm using the incorrect dosage. is 3 MILLIgrams too much? it definitely felt like it last night.

 

[RobotRipping]

3 grams of etizolam would be absurd but i think you mean 3mg, it's not too much for me, knocks most normal people out though. Have you ever tried stimulants for your issue? maybe look at the DSM and see if you may have add/adhd and then see a psychiatrist to figure it out.

 

[timsul999]

3 grams of etizolam would be absurd but i think you mean 3mg, it's not too much for me, knocks most normal people out though. Have you ever tried stimulants for your issue? maybe look at the DSM and see if you may have add/adhd and then see a psychiatrist to figure it out.

i'm pretty skeptical of ADD in itself man. i kinda have beef with the DSM & categorical psychology in general. regardless, my psych wouldn't let me go anywhere near adderall. yet you have a good point: when i have taken adderall i feel confident; i have no trouble maintaining conversations or approaching groups of people or even talking to girls, stuff that normally verges on phobic for me. i think it's good for social neuroses , bottom line.
i took phenibut today and had awesome relief. I seriously think you should reconsider it RR. maybe switch out one of your benzo days and try a gram. it's not overtly spacy or chilled-out like benzos are, its more subtle. very functional, clear-headed mood lift. if you're worried about wds weekly use is the key.


this thread is verging on a pm session, lol. sorry.

 

[RobotRipping]

well i'd be more than willing to try it, just hesitant due to my affinity for gabaergics. It might be nice when i start dropping my etiz dose to take phenibut the first day, as i usually feel shitty for 1-2 days when i do a decent dose drop and/or as a method to reduce my tolerance to gaba-a agonists so that i can taper much more easily.

I have ADD and take dexedrine and i find it makes me quite a bit more extroverted; i, like you, do not speak very often, often don't even know what to say but dexedrine and etizolam together change my personality quite a bit. I'm willing to talk to strangers, but only if they talk to me first. I'm not intimated by women far more attractive than me, i can talk to others without being self conscious or caring what i say, i am able to fully participate in my classes, ask questions, all things that used to scare the shit out of me. I'd say the etizolam is responsible for this but without dexedrine i am still quite introverted, though with a stimulant you have to be careful you're not speaking 1000words/minute and rambling on about shit people don't care about.

not that i advocate using stims, or that you even have ADD, and i know the DSM is kind of a joke, you can pretty much get yourself diagnosed with anything but there's no question in my mind that some people do actually need these drugs and it's not just a big pharma-dr scam to get everyone on stims (even if that's their goal). I noticed a drastic change for the better with dexedrine in particular, though MPH works okay for me too.

yeah almost PM material but may be helpful for others who experience what you do.