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RCs Ethylphenidate and etizolam

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ive noticed when on ethylphenidate i sometimes can get some anxiety and other uncomfortableness, is it safe taking a couple of etizolams while still high on ethylphenidate?

then carrying on getting high on it?
 
I assume you've already made your decision looking at when you last posted. But yes, perfectly safe - at least for the people who have tried this combination (and I've not heard any reports of fatalities after mixing the two). I've taken about 400-500mg of EPH since noon, and the 3mg of etizolam, admittedly with a little diazepam but only a little..3mg or so, have kept the anxiety at bay, and lowered my pulse, lessened degree of chest tightness etc...

I've often wondered about the 'don't mix uppers and downers' rule... I've mixed vast quantities of benzos with stimulants (almost always EPH) and been fine, other than feeling vaguely mad...a psychosis type of mad rather than neurotic which I am usually although this aspect of my mental ill health is also exacerbated, so more depressed than usual in the following few days too. But if you don't go mad (pardon the pun) with dosages you'll most likely be fine.

If you were on EPH when you last posted I guess you'll still be taking it atm, so if you've not taken the etizolam yet this post migght not be completely pointless. Anyway it may be of use to someone else if not. Take care.g at when you last posted. But yes, perfectly safe - at least for the people who have tried this combination (and I've not heard any reports of fatalities after mixing the two). I've taken about 400-500mg of EPH since noon, and the 3mg of etizolam, admittedly with a little diazepam but only a little..3mg or so, have kept the anxiety at bay, and lowered my pulse, lessened degree of chest tightness etc...

I've often wondered about the 'don't mix uppers and downers' rule... I've mixed vast quantities of benzos with stimulants (almost always EPH) and been fine, other than feeling vaguely mad...a psychosis type of mad rather than neurotic which I am usually although this aspect of my mental ill health is also exacerbated, so more depressed than usual in the following few days too. But if you don't go mad (pardon the pun) with dosages you'll most likely be fine.

If you were on EPH when you last posted I guess you'll still be taking it atm, so if you've not taken the etizolam yet this post migght not be completely pointless. Anyway it may be of use to someone else if not. Take care.
 
I think this rule comes due to different half lifes. Lets say you mix an upper with a short half life and a downer with a long half life. As long as you have enough of the upper in you, you'll be fine (or to be more precise high). But then the upper leaves your body and you have an overdose. Not that bad if your only downer is a benzo (or quazi benzo like etizolam) since those generally don't kill outright. However if you use an opiate as your downer you could have problems.
 
Yeah, that seems to be a sound explanation. When I think of mixing uppers and downers I think of speedballs, which have some notoriety for being dangerous. Could the deaths resulted from speedballs be due in part to intense cardio-vascular stress? Especially if you're using a needle with a mix of powerful (short half-life) stim, and an equally powerful (longer half-life) downer, like H, boy, your pulse gonna be all over the place, cardiac muscles working overdrive then no gradual come down, but bam! opiate hits you like a truck and suddenly you're breathing 3 breaths/min, heart's forced to work in the opposite manner, which causes [fill in the blanks] to happen, which leads to a heart attack.

Obviously this is all conjecture, and uninformed conjecture at that. I should just google the damn thing.

But what I would say is pretty much what crazycatman said - benzos are nowhere near as toxic, or instant blackout inducing as their forebears, the barbiturates. I guess in the days before benzos, stim users would only have barbs available to ease the anxiety of stim highs and crashes. It's easy to see people simply losing judgment and getting carried away, ending up OD'ing on barbs.

Nowadays the drug of choice for stimulant comedowns is always benzos, which are a lot harder to overdo (shit I've taken 2 grams of diazepam over 2 days, during which time I also used EPH. :? Highly advise against this; I could easily have died a number of times during those days, but again, more due to the effects of the downer than the upper.)

Play it safe with the downers more than anything if you're taking stims as well would be my personal advice. But please feel free to correct me; free education is a great thing...
 
Opiates aren't really downers - some are sedating, others mildly stimulating, and I sure wouldn't use say codeine or oxy as a sleeping pill. Even opiates that get you nodding don't really put you to sleep - it's more an inbetween state, not unlike the hypnagogic stage of waking up, caught between the waking world and remnants of a dream.

On-topic: I've used etizolam to come down from ethylphenidate to no ill effect, but haven't then carried on with more etizolam. It's probably a little rough on the system, sending conflicting messages, and, especially if you're drinking, could result in marked disinhibition (telling that friend you've always had a crush on that she's toe object of your affections, for exmaple), or even stimulated amnesia. I'd watch the doses on both - once you're twitchy and uncomfortable on ethyl-P, the fun may be over. And I found it a pretty short high with a comedown that outweighed the rush, as with many legal (currently) stimulants, with limited benefits to re-dosing: re-dosing on top of a downer would limit them further, I fear.

I recently had a chance to take Ritalin proper, for just the second time in a long drug career, and it feels nothing like ethylphenidate, which I'd say has more in common with the crap that passes, in Britain, for 'coke' much of the time: definite stimulation, slight mood lift, but not much more to it than that, and a twitchy, moody comedown that requires benzos or goes on and on and on. Ritalin proper's the ultimate functional stimulant, especially if used occasionally and at low doses: perfect for intensive work, facing tasks that turn your stomach (tax returns leap to mind), and getting through long working days. The ethylphenidate rush is unfocused and useless by comparison - its only value's recreational, IME. These legal 'analogues' always hold out such promise, but the analogy's really just a matter of molecular composition: the effects of MPA are a pale shadow of meth (not that I'd touch the stuff again, and haven't in over ten years), Likewise, ethylphenidate's a mildly euphoric recreational stimulant, with little to no functional value (I guess you could use it to keep awake, but if anything, it makes me prone to distraction and sentimentality), and feels 'dirty' compared to Ritalin. It would be interesting to conduct a controlled study and see the effect of ethylphenidate on cognitive capacity - I suspect it would have the opposite effect to Ritalin, lowering exam scores et cetera, where Ritalin raises them. And camfetamine was just caustic garbage, good for nosebleeds and not much else. All of them are probably being sold as coke and speed on the black market, in yet another unintended consequence of prohibition.

Other than etizolam, RC downers have been (phenazepam) a nightmare, or underwhelming (pyrazolam), RC opiods are too strong, too weak, and/or hard to source. The only RC's that really hold their own against old-fashioned illegals are the psychedelics - and being clumsy and unwilling to possess scales (so easily misinterpreted), I've always avoided them, except for AMT, which is interesting, but inconvenient (long come-up and duration, steep dose-response curve). Some of the cannabinoids aren't bad, but only the old spice blend came close to mimicking the real thing, and again, their generally 'dirty' feel and whispers of carcinogenic and neurotoxic properties convinced me to give them up, even though I have no current access to weed. Structural analogues don't produce analagous effects.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread: OP, hope the experiment went well, and if ongoing, you might want to wind down on the E-P, and let the Etizolam do its job.
 
> " Even opiates that get you nodding don't really put you to sleep - it's more an inbetween state, not unlike the hypnagogic stage of waking up, caught between the waking world and remnants of a dream."

Perfect description of opiated sleep. God, don't you just love it? The hypnogogic stage of sleep has always been a favourite of mine - especially knowing you don't have to get up for school or work. Always found it pure bliss. Before I'd ever tried opiates, I always imagined heroin would feel like that. Discovering that for 8 or 9 hours it was exactly like that, only better (stretching out semi-conscious, lazily scratching those lovely itches, the warm glow in your stomach like a hot water bottle in your belly) .....oh lord how i miss opiates.

And because this has been utterly off topic I'll ask a more relevant question. Do you buy your etizolam from the same vendors that you buy your EPH from? These vendors tend to sell in 'pellets', which are a lot more expensive than the strips I bought at first (not sure if price discussion is allowed but let's just say whatever I payed for the strips of 10, the pellets cost over 3 times as much).

Can''t find any *reputable* or UK-UK based sellers of strips at those prices any more. Ah well, things get more and more costly every month. Especially with idiots like me buying etizolam with my EPH at grossly inflated prices, too apathetic to care that I'm being jibbed, so long as i have something to manage stimulant crash.
 
you be should be fine combining the two, but we warned that ethylphenidate will make the etizolam feel less potent so oyu might be inclined to take more leading t a dangerous situation
 
Its safe if you understand how addictive each of those two drugs can be in the wrong hands, seperately.

Its safe relative to your ability to have some sense of dicipline.

Its easy to ignore all of that when your high on this combo. I speak from personal expirence.

Don't make a habit of it, and keep your dosage reasonable and you'll be fine. Thats hard to do with both etizolam and ethylphenidate in my expirence.
 
I've just been writing a report of my experiences with ethylphenidate. Needless to say I'm still wide awake and tapping away at my keyboard because I've taken EPH. Got about half left from a gram. My writing is just a rambling, semi-coherent mess, unable to keep to the argument at hand, going off on all sorts of tangential page-long paragraphs, I'll wish I hadn't posted this in the morning, being pretty sure it'll make very little sense. But maybe that's a good thing; see how your thought processes get fucked hard by ethylphenidate.

Anyway sorry for hijacking the thread - I'll post this in a thread I plan to make at some point tonight concerning the health risks of EPH. Feel free to steer this thread back on track. Having said that, OP did ask about safety, and as daytryptr pointed out, this shit can be dangerous in the wrong hands. Exhibit A:

Concerning the awareness of EPH misuse amongst drug abuse treatment services and mental health workers, I'm afraid to say that the knowledge of their awareness was something acquired through first hand research. I know the 'online drug community's' first rule is never to mention currently unscheduled drugs, and I understand that, but when you're completely paranoid and anxious to the point of wondering if you've really fucked yourself up this time because everything hurts and you've not pissed for nearly 30 hours, and the doctor mentions a catheter to make you piss everything out of your balloon like swollen bladder, and then she asks, in perfect confidence, what you've been taking...well shit, let's just say I'd be a terrible spy under torture.

So you tell the doctor and it's typed up on your notes, which are shared between the drug treatment agency and all your psychiatrists and the nurses when you're sectioned under the mental health act, a week or so later - and despite your appeal against the sectioning, the three hour tribunal you have to endure (sat in front of 3 almost Dickensian looking men, spectacled and fobwatched, with whiskers neatly trimmed, two 'sirring' the third, the specialist mental health act [1983] Judge, who conducts the proceedings in a manner so formal you'd never have imagined it possible or healthy, staring quizzically down half moon spectacles at you for most of the three hours as if judging you by reading the very vilest secrets of your miserable soul and not by the accusations of neurotic illnesses so severe as to warrant detention for at least 4 weeks, read out from typed up assessments in turn by a squad of psychiatric health workers: a ward nurse, a social worker, the hospital psychiatrist; all delivering more damning judgements than the last....)...despite all that picking at the flesh of your mental state, chewing over all your character flaws, whilst you sit there in silence, waiting until the feast is complete, and all that is left of your scrawny ego is a pile of gristle and bones which you're left to ponder over as they fly away to reach their verdict, whilst you're wondering whether you really are the person 6 professionals have just discoursed over – a grotesque version of your own secret sense of self - you're still kept in as a 'risk to your self'. Not that you're sure you know who that is any more.

And if that little tangent from the point of this footnote should teach us anything, it is that in some individuals, in this instance an individual suffering from poor mental health left untreated, heavy use of EPH can cause psychotic symptoms, and worsen depression and anxiety if present, leading to self-harm, self-neglect (not showering for weeks on end, losing over a stone in weight in just over a fortnight), long periods of uncontrollable crying, feeling so sad you could die, but you don't kill yourself simply because you know it'd all get better if you stopped taking the drugs – yet you can't stop, not by yourself; you're only able to stop once you're forced to stop – once your behaviour becomes so extreme and worrying to others that you're sectioned, and for the first time in a month, during the first four weeks of your 6 week stay on the ward you have no access to EPH or any drug. And despite your constant appeals against the decision, despite your angry, sullen, reclusive behaviour upon being there for a week, struggling to adjust to the stimulation free pace of life in the hospital, and despite also the 'cracked pots of Humanity' who have walked straight off the pages of Kesey's novel and into your daily life: pacing the hallways either manic, laughing all day at jokes unshared, kept inside their heads; or mute with anxiety, able only to mutter a few stock phrases in greeting from mouths twisted into a rictus of awkwardness, a painfully shy impression of a smile, born from sheer nervousness as defence against the hostility they see everywhere in the world (and yet you don't recognise yourself in these people - these walking human catalogues of psychiatric diagnoses, diagnoses stuck upon them like labels, neat definitions of people as pigeon-holed checklists of apparently present medical symptoms: score 80% on this assessment, answering questions you'd beg were too complex for a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer, or a mark on a scale of 1-10 - score 80% and you fall very neatly into the category diagnosing Major Depressive Illness, as defined by an eminent academic of psychiatry, whose new diagnosis tests may prove to be the crowning achievement of his career, the singularly important piece of academic work which may very well land him the professorship next year, but only lands you a new diagnosis and a stay under observation day and night in a psychiatric hospital – no, you don't recognise yourself in these people, not at first, not until the anger at being deprived of your freedom, and lawfully, of feeling the winding powerlessness you have as one person against the state, which is a hard lesson to learn, leaving a bitterness and resentment, a mistrust and fear which overstays its welcome – you only recognise yourself as the same anxiety-ridden, socially inept, bored and miserable people that you share silent meals with for 6 weeks once the silently smoldering anger has burnt to ashes, turned imperceptibly into a sense of acceptance, and then a sense of comfort and safety.

finally your anger burnt mind transforms into a crucible of thankfulness: you feel so damned ...humbled by your experience over the past few months; at long last, you're able to truly feel your vulnerability by having removed the dust sheets that had for so long hidden your sense of happiness, contentment with life: the feelings a man must feel in order to feel the 'true' value of his life, and once able to feel this sense of precious value to your limited time on the face of this planet, you begin to feel a great tenderness towards all other living things, you feel a gentle sense of appreciation, genuine for a change, towards those who care for you, and slowly it dawns on you that the ideal of Love, not as a shriveled up and hollow abstract concept, but as a real feeling of gratitude and an almost servile want to please by showing that you're OK, seriously OK, has had the dust sheet lifted, if only briefly - and it feels better than any drug ever has.
 
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well i started at about 2pm with a couple of small lines, felt good for a while then started to come down, had another couple of small lines, felt good again then came down again alot faster and stronger than the first couple doses.

thats when i added the 2mg etizloam and that seemed to bring me back up in a really relaxing euphoric way, took all the negative edgy/jitteryness/anxiety away and left me feeling content, relaxed yet still wide awake and stimulated.

i kept on going sniffing small to medium sized lines throughout the day totaling 250mg, till having my last line at about 10:30, but i ended up going through about 4 more etizolams throughout the day too.

i found it a really nice relaxing yet still stimulated high,i had the dopermine rush mixed with my body and thoughts being heavenly relaxed, the etizolams took away the constant craving for another line as i felt pretty content even when the initial rush of dosing the ethyl had wore off.

even tho i had my last line at 10:30pm i was still up and stimulated till about 6am, i started to find that i'd take an etizolam to try and comedown, it would soove it for about 2 or 3 hours then the stimulation would come right back through again which was annoying so in the end i dropped 3mg etizolam at once then went to bed and passed out.

woke up this morning feeling abit tired and drained but not too bad.

i found it a great combo as i dont handle my straight up stimulants to good, i always seem to get anxiety and restlessness, im more of a serotonin guy, not a fan of chasing dopamine highs, not worth it. but with some etizolams in there it was a pleasant experience.
 
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