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Conspiracies Epstein Dies in Custody - Alleged Suicide, Some Speculate it was a Hit Job

spare ribs said:
Before Epstein "committed suicide" MSM hes gonna get whacked.
After Epstein "committed suicide" MSM nothing to see here.?
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Not sure what you're talking about, a lot of the big-name media highlighted on the Epstein suicide finding and that "many bones" were broken and that it still raises questions in the minds of people and some people on the "MSM" are actually keeping an open mind and not necessarily just blindly taking the word of the medical examiner; some stations like CBS getting their own examiners to remain very objective about this. Some media is highlighting on the absurdity of the idea HRC did this (but they are still nailing home to the viewer that this guy, Epstein, had major connections with not just the Clintons but more; they're not sweeping this under the rug).

Other main stream media is hitting home the idea that there's still victims who are pursing reimbursement for abuses through his estate even though he's dead. This isn't the last we're going to hear about him.
 
JGrimez said:
It seems there are many people here who don't understand the concept of suicide watch and what it entails. It's not about watching someone commit suicide.
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Seems pretty clear he was taken OFF of suicide watch prior to his demise. Plenty of argument to be had it should have been kept ON, but I believe the facts say he wasn't on suicide watch anymore. Continuing to state what suicide watch means and entails does nothing to change the situation because it wasn't in effect.

And if he was taken off of suicide watch and then given a bedsheet in which he was able to hang himself with, a couple weeks after attempting suicide, well that is suspicious and also indicates foul play.
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Again, not IF he was taken off suicide watch....he WAS taken off. The next question would be what security measures are in place when someone is taken OFF suicide watch? Seems not enough. A lack of cameras, cell mate(s), guards. All kinda dumb given the chances of his demise, but not outside plausible reality if the center was as poorly staffed as indicated.

JGrimez said:
This is also not plausible. To suggest that there was not one camera on Jeffrey Epstein. Ridiculous and suspicious ESPECIALLY because he's now dead and they can't prove to people what happened.
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Have we heard anything, from anyone, about the cameras, sheets, guards, etc for all the rest of the inmates? What sounds like gross negligence in watching him may in fact be status quo for the rest of the prison.
 
"Whats so fucking hard to believe someone got killed in a home invasion robbery? People get killed in home invasions all the time."

" Whats so hard to believe that George and Laura Bush got.killed in a home.invasion? Where was their SS. Where was the security footage. What about the nsa/cia. They didnt snoop out some plot. "

One of these is not like the other. Many here do not seem to get this fact.
 
A few thoughts:

It’s possible that Epstein was ultimately killed, as many people are in prison, for his pedo activities or for trafficking underage girls. These guys don’t fare well.

Epstein had a sweetheart deal before but something happened (by which I mean some prosecutor wants to make a name for themselves or one of his victims got a good lawyer, not that the cabal wanted to whack him), and then he’s in jail and he can’t get out. People like him don’t deal with cold, hard reality too well.

If someone tried to kill him, he would cry to his lawyers for an expedited hearing or to be transferred somewhere so he wouldn’t get killed.

The first thing anyone tries to do before going/if they go to jail is get out. He must have one un-bribeable judge to put him in the hoosegow.
Epstein might have thought he was going to a country club jail and then flipped out when he went to something less than what he expected. His powerful friends or blackmail targets or whoever weren’t powerful enough to keep/get him out, where a much less publicized death could be arranged, so how influential was this guy?

This jail has hosted people like Manafort, Madoff, and Gotti without anything happening. El Chapo is there right now.

These aren’t well-connected thoughts, just observations.

Like most people, I have no idea what happened to the guy. The people I feel for are his victims, who aren’t going to get any justice, if they were going to get any at all.
 
To be fair I'm a fairly well-read person and I'm pretty no matter how anti-suicide a place is set out to be you can easily accomplish it. It might take a lot of time. You might not get an impulse death. At least that may not be your best bet or way to play your cards without tipping off your hand. I'm an immensely suicidal person and have spent more time idealizing and imagining it (not so much willfully but it just seems to happen if you are feeling this terribly) than anyone should ever have to, and I am sure I too could find a way as Epstein did. This might be tainting my perception on the matter. Life in itself is suffering and isn't worth living. A lot of people who have no sense of morality may eventually come across this realization or are such cowards, etc. I find it hard to believe someone who did this would think their life is worth living in confinement/etc for what they've done (and quite frankly I have some moral compass so if I woke up in his body one morning I'd surely off myself without thinking twice about it, I think abusing children in that manner is beyond horrific and inexcusable). This is also tainting my perception. If I was in Epstein's shoes I'm sure I wouldn't need to get murdered. It would be a mercy killing and I'd be asking/paying the other person to do it. I also do not fear dying and am aware if you are able to snap your neck from a hanging it's going to be fairly painless compared to any other method you have in there. I cannot say this is the way I'd go about it (there are other options).

Being locked up against your will (assuming "I" was in "my" shoes there and not his) is dehumanizing and I would probably feel compelled to commit suicide from that alone even if I was just there for not attending the Trump rally (=D), so I really wonder, why would any of you want to live in lock up for the rest of your lives? Is that a life anyone would want, or do you feel people are merely stuck in such situations?

P.S. I believe this to be my most honest/objective post on the matter as I am trying to point out "possible personal biases I may or may not have" in the way I am psychoanalyzing this situation and forming a current events opinion on it, so hopefully that helps others understand where I am coming from. At the very least I'd like to bridge the gaps of understanding here because I see a lot of legitimate opinions and I also see people being very militant on the issue; I'd like to see less rigid discussion if possible.
 
cduggles said:
The people I feel for are his victims, who aren’t going to get any justice, if they were going to get any at all.
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This is patently not true; I've brought up the NY victims pursuing state laws for awards from his estate and they deserve it. They're seeking punitive damages/compensation and if they get a huge chunk of it will likely hold it/parts for future victims who wish to come forward. I have brought this up. I don't think facing him in court and them he gets to play tennis in a white collar prison for life is justice. Knowing he's dead is justice. I'm sorry I know that's pretty like... not liberal of me (oh noes!!) but I'm being honest. And now they won't have to risk him buying a non-guilty verdict or fleeing the country (men have means) and escaping to SE Asia to have more underage sex before a natural death. I'm sorry but people with that kind of money have means to escape if they aren't held in the system indefinitely. And there's no guarantee he wouldn't have gotten out one day. He would have gotten another sweet deal. I think justice occurred, even if it's not the way it was supposed to happen, because many of us suspect it would have never really happened anyway i.e. the first time he was convicted.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
This is patently not true; I've brought up the NY victims pursuing state laws for awards from his estate and they deserve it. They're seeking punitive damages/compensation and if they get a huge chunk of it will likely hold it/parts for future victims who wish to come forward. I have brought this up. I don't think facing him in court and them he gets to play tennis in a white collar prison for life is justice. Knowing he's dead is justice. I'm sorry I know that's pretty like... not liberal of me (oh noes!!) but I'm being honest. And now they won't have to risk him buying a non-guilty verdict or fleeing the country (men have means) and escaping to SE Asia to have more underage sex before a natural death. I'm sorry but people with that kind of money have means to escape if they aren't held in the system indefinitely. And there's no guarantee he wouldn't have gotten out one day. He would have gotten another sweet deal. I think justice occurred, even if it's not the way it was supposed to happen, because many of us suspect it would have never really happened anyway i.e. the first time he was convicted.
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Fair points.
 
cduggles said:
Fair points.
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I understand not ALL the victims will get to see him publicly smeared in the CRJS system like Cosby. But why do you think that is? They both had money. WINK WINK. We both know why. It was never going to be the same campaign smear in the news. The R's were SO QUICK to "SAVE HIM" and I'm like "What?" because there's people without toothpaste, blankets or showers at the border and they care more about a BILLIONAIRE WHITE paedophile. Excuse the caps but it's REALLY important you at least are able to grasp the way I'm seeing things.

I'm all for white privilege but this is INSTITUTIONAL RACISM if I've ever seen it, and billions buying favors if I've ever fucking seen it. This a *major* part of CRJS overhaul that we can hold the rich and powerful accountable (not so much HRC but Epstein for sure, and Trump *IF* it turns out he committed crimes after he leaves office, which, I mean, if they find nothing on him I'd shit bricks for weeks). This is something you see on-going in Mexico at the moment and I'd like to see the US follow suit.
 
Being taken off suicide watch after attempting suicide is the most ludicrous explanation I've ever heard. Also his lawyers (who do not agree with the official story) said that Epstein was in high spirits and looking forward to his court date. He had enough dirt on people to manage an extremely light sentence, so why would he commit suicide? What's more ridiculous than this theory is people believing it.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Epstein was given three 12-year-old French girls as a birthday present

High-profile Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre revealed the sadistic birthday present the millionaire allegedly received from a friend in unsealed court documents from a 2015 lawsuit.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Next Top Model scout Jean-Luc Brunel flew poor 12-year-old triplets in from France as a BIRTHDAY PRESENT for Jeffrey Epstein to abuse, unsealed documents claim

(BTW Pizzagate is fake news and Obama literally paid $65,000 to fly pizza and hot dogs from Chicago to a private party in the WH, as per Wikileaks leaked emai)
 
Do you know how many people that die by suicide seemed okay before they did pretty much nearly all of them. Years ago i met a friend and he seemed to be well then 12 hours later he had killed himself. People keep their true feelings to themselves and the ones who are truly suicidal never told anybody and acted like everything was fine.

He should of never been taken off suicide watch which is pretty outrageous or given bedsheets but this prision they don't give a fuck they want sick fucks to hang themselves or put them on the AB block and get tortured for hours before they gut them alive and the guards will purposely not go anywhere near the cell for 5 hours to make sure the person really suffered a horrible death.
 
Why was he in high spirits after a) a suicide attempt or b) someone trying to kill him and him not being moved to safety?

Edit: And TripSitterNZ, I agree completely that people don’t always show what they feel before committing suicide.
 
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cduggles said:
Why was he in high spirits after a) a suicide attempt or b) someone trying to kill him and him not being moved to safety?

Edit: And TripSitterNZ, I agree completely that people don’t always show what they feel before committing suicide.
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Well the scary-looking man that was in his cell was strangely transferred out. I enjoy people discrediting themselves by attempting to argue for suicide. 40 years no suicides in this prison and we're supposed to believe Epstein is the first? LOL
 
And maybe he was in high spirits after organising some type of deal. An attempt was made on his life, Epstein realized his employers were happy to dispose of him and he might have then been willing to throw them under the bus for a lighter sentence.

There were reports he was ready to talk. Oops, coincidentally he had an accident.
 
cduggles said:
Fair points.
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For the record this is what someone not disagreeing with you looks like, JG. I'm not trying to even convince Cduggs of the way I see things, just share a perspective with facts and what not and she took it in stride. She's a really open-minded moderator and I don't want you to feel shunned by the community here.

cduggles said:
Why was he in high spirits
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Because he still wanted to kill himself and wanted to get back to attempt #2 as soon as possible.

I think a lot of you enjoy living your lives and can't imagine the mind of someone hell-bent on offing themselves. Being a lifelover is probably a good thing and feel HAPPY you are all like this <3 to you all

JGrimez said:
And maybe he was in high spirits after organising some type of deal. An attempt was made on his life, Epstein realized his employers were happy to dispose of him and he might have then been willing to throw them under the bus for a lighter sentence.

There were reports he was ready to talk. Oops, coincidentally he had an accident.
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Even if you don't want to try to see things my way just for the sake of understanding others better, and again I'm not trying to convince anyone just share a perspective, can you see cduggs is trying to do that? I do this with everyone here because I enjoy the human psyche and legitimately want to know more about people through their beliefs/cognition and what not.

Have you ever been suicidal before? Have you ever considered life no longer worth living? Discounting the mental state of someone in legitimate mental distress is easy if you've never felt that way before.
 
CH, I completely understand your POV and I think it’s quite possible that he killed himself.

I also think a lot of information will come out about his life and his acquaintanceships in the ways you enumerated.

I suppose there’s still a part that would like to believe that Epstein’s actions were so heinous that he would not be sent to a country club prison. Perhaps I’m wrong, but we’ll never know.
 
Also do I need to keep reminding the coincidence theorists that it's IRRELEVANT whether he was suicidal or not. He should not have been able to even commit suicide.

If you wish to explain that away, then explain to me in detail how he exactly killed himself. The mechanics involved and the injuries. I'd like to hear a suicide proponent speculate on this..
 
JGrimez said:
Jeffrey Epstein signed will just two days before suicide
nypost.com

Jeffrey Epstein signed will just two days before suicide

Jeffrey Epstein signed his will just two days before he hanged himself in his Manhattan jail cell — leaving behind a nearly $600 million fortune, according to court papers exclusively obtained by T…
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that seems to point to his intent to end his life more than anything.

p.s. way to ignore my well, thought out post. thank you JG that was refreshing.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
that seems to point to his intent to end his life more than anything.

p.s. way to ignore my well, thought out post. thank you JG that was refreshing.
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I didn't ignore your post, I just don't think that you've made any good points. Yes, other people are free to believe what they wish. I have no issue with this.
I'd like to know, for the people that are leaning towards suicide, how was he able to do it when 40 years of prisoners couldn't?
 
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