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Conspiracies Epstein Dies in Custody - Alleged Suicide, Some Speculate it was a Hit Job

spare ribs said:
True ,but good old fashioned torture works most of the time.No need to reinvent the wheel.
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They'll kill you anyways. There's never any reason to give up information. How can someone know you know something? Information takes up no literal space in the brain. When facing life and death, and your life flashes before your eyes, and you panic and leave your body and tunnel vision ensues, you're not really going to have amazing memory recall. Your memories might become distorted and it'll become even easier to misplace/forget information, deliberately or accidentally lie, or exaggerate the truth or alter it.

I take it you have not been in such a scenario. I could barely speak a few sentences. If I was being tortured for information I'd probably break down and cry about wanting my mother. I can't imagine it would work on me or anyone else, really. Torture doesn't work. Waterboarding doesn't work. The only person who thinks it works is Dick Cheney.

Have you ever been held at gunpoint or expected to die at the hands of someone before? If not please just take my word for it.
 
Let’s say I am torturing you.

“What’s the difference between a duck?”

You’ll die. Some questions have no answers. An individual may not know something. Saying “I don’t know” is never enough. You can’t prove ignorance in a convincing way.
 
Yeah that is a worry. Thanks Capt as never thought anyone would ever want to know that. Food for thought.
I will say I have only met one guy that i beleive 100% would never talk unless it was by 007 nemesis's Truth Serum.
 
spare ribs said:
By your own logic some questions have answers.Some deaths are better than others.
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Yeah and let's say I've already answered the question and they too stupid to believe me. Oh well, looks like I'm getting tortured to death. Or I can try to spin a lie and hope it is what they want to hear.

I can go on and on all day folks: Torture doesn't work. You're talking to the bombs and missiles of the war machine right here, folks. War works, but torture does not.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Let’s say I am torturing you.

“What’s the difference between a duck?”

You’ll die. Some questions have no answers. An individual may not know something. Saying “I don’t know” is never enough. You can’t prove ignorance in a convincing way.
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This is actually why torture is a very unreliable method. Someone under enough duress will say anything to make it stop. It's just as likely you'll pry a false confession from someone using torture, because who the fuck would keep saying I don't know if someone was going to keep pulling teeth or cutting off fingers or kill you?
 
Xorkoth said:
This is actually why torture is a very unreliable method. Someone under enough duress will say anything to make it stop. It's just as likely you'll pry a false confession from someone using torture, because who the fuck would keep saying I don't know if someone was going to keep pulling teeth or cutting off fingers or kill you?
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We (and by "we" I don't mean me) still use this oversea's. Some people would give you an answer and then hours later, the same answer would be changed. Just for it to stop.
 
Xorkoth said:
This is actually why torture is a very unreliable method. Someone under enough duress will say anything to make it stop. It's just as likely you'll pry a false confession from someone using torture, because who the fuck would keep saying I don't know if someone was going to keep pulling teeth or cutting off fingers or kill you?
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^ this

I'm not absorbed by the 2 party system and if I woke up in a black site I'd probably be like I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY CONSPIRACY THEORIES, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO JFK IS, WHAT'S 9/11 IS THAT YOUR BIRTHDAY?
 
spare ribs said:
Never said it was foolproof.
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You're absolutely right. It definitely works, that's for sure. But you still have to "fact check" the info at the end of the day (of course), assuming you can do that somehow. Ie. multiple people that confirm the story, compare it with intel you've already obtained, run Ops off that intel (and see if it was right or wrong), etc. etc. This is how we did it over there.
 
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spare ribs said:
Wot? you lot will be denying Walls dont work next FFS.:mad:
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Nothing about the ivory tower held up: the walls, the doors, the gold reserves in the basement, or any of the over-funded clueless neo-con federal government agencies...

Walls don't work. Most people are good people. CRJS/law enforcement works (and most of you are abhorred at my plans for such so just keep that part of it going).

Walls don't work.
 
I'm surprised there was no love of the image you inspired.

Captain.Heroin said:
I can't imagine people torture each other for misinformation.
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I'm sorry, but I have to admit the absurdity of that concept cracked me up and I imagined such scenarios....then again I have watched the Hostel series.

I think we all knew what I meant.
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Yeah, we do...I just process it poorly sometimes.

Yes, I'm still laughing - in part at myself, in part at such a scene.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Accuracy is obviously important. Torture doesn't work for accurate answers.

I can't imagine people torture each other for misinformation. I think we all knew what I meant.
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I can confirm it works for more ACCURATE answers than not. We (and other Teams) ran dozenssssss of Operations based off info we've obtained from this technique (successful ones, mind you).
 
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