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Conspiracies Epstein Dies in Custody - Alleged Suicide, Some Speculate it was a Hit Job

JessFR said:
If you ask me treating people as they describe is unacceptable, American or not.

Something that a lot of Americans seem to fail to recognize, including our toddler in chief if his tweets are anything to go by, is that the constitution protects the rights of EVERYONE in America. Doesn't matter if you're a citizen, doesn't matter if you're an illegal immigrant.

And that's how it should be.
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And then what does the law say about what should be done with an illegal immigrant?
 
it doesn't matter. the u.s. constitution protects illegal immigrants.

you can't talk about the importance of the rule of law then get your panties in a bunch when you don't like it. that's called paying lip service.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
it doesn't matter. the u.s. constitution protects illegal immigrants.

you can't talk about the importance of the rule of law then get your panties in a bunch when you don't like it. that's called paying lip service.

alasdair
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QFT alasdair wins, as always.

Buddy you should run for political office. You would be the first and last democrat I'd go campaigning for, and quite honestly the logic is just too intense on your part for me to not vote for someone as well spoken as you.

Ever think about running for a public office?
 
Captain.Heroin said:
QFT alasdair wins, as always.
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alasdairm said:
it doesn't matter. the u.s. constitution protects illegal immigrants.

you can't talk about the importance of the rule of law then get your panties in a bunch when you don't like it. that's called paying lip service.

alasdair
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Uh, yeah buddy it does matter. It's not a question of constitutional protections. Non-citizens with a valid visa are inside the country LEGALLY. People without the necessary papers are in the country ILLEGALLY.

Are you willing to be honest enough to say that you understand the difference?
 
Seriously even if I don’t get agree with everything Dersch or Chris or TLB or my in real life exuberantly wealthy Trump supporting friend believe in I can like them as people and they see some things my way. Sometimes I sympathize or at least understand their point of view.

You’re just a very deranged conspiracy theorist. And god bless you. People like you make me seem normal.
 
JGrimez said:
Uh, yeah buddy it does matter. It's not a question of constitutional protections. Non-citizens with a valid visa are inside the country LEGALLY. People without the necessary papers are in the country ILLEGALLY.

Are you willing to be honest enough to say that you understand the difference?
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of course i understand the difference.

but it doesn't matter. the protections of the u.s. constitution (e.g. free speech, due process, etc.) apply to immigrants even if they're here illegally. whether you like it or not.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
of course i understand the difference.

but it doesn't matter. the protections of the u.s. constitution (e.g. free speech, due process, etc.) apply to immigrants even if they're here illegally. whether you like it or not.

alasdair
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Yeah I already knew this and I do like it. You're being intellectually dishonest by trying to paint me as a Nazi.

The question is whether, under the law, they're allowed to stay in the country or not
 
alasdairm said:
i'm not trying to paint you as anything. not sure where that is coming from.

alasdair
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"whether you like it or not" implying I don't care about human rights.

I do care about people, refugees, babies, immigrants, gay, trans etc I just think the ideas that Leftists espouse are fucking stupid.
 
JGrimez said:
You're being intellectually dishonest by trying to paint me as a Nazi.
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He said "whether you like it or not" which does not imply you are a Nazi. ? Speaking about intellectual dishonesty, you provide a great, real world example. You cannot even criticise an "alt rightist" without them insisting they are being called a Nazi while continuing to call leftists lunatics or communists. A good example of why discourse is becoming so difficult.
 
You guys missed the joke. It's because for the last few years the Left has been bizarrely and incorrectly labelling people who disagree with them as Nazis.

Ali implied I didn't like that all people in the US were protected by the constitution, that would imply immigrants, and your hero AOC called them detention centres therefore I'd be a Nazi.

Y'all should stop taking everything so literally and learn nuance. Although if you did that you'd probably distance yourself from Liberalism
 
JGrimez said:
Yeah I already knew this and I do like it. You're being intellectually dishonest by trying to paint me as a Nazi.

The question is whether, under the law, they're allowed to stay in the country or not
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The post you quoted didn't contain alasdair calling you a "nazi" or "NS" or anything like that. Please point it out to me if it's there ok?

JGrimez said:
Uh, yeah buddy it does matter. It's not a question of constitutional protections. Non-citizens with a valid visa are inside the country LEGALLY. People without the necessary papers are in the country ILLEGALLY.

Are you willing to be honest enough to say that you understand the difference?
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There's this thing you're ignoring, that the constitution applies to everyone, not just citizens. Whether you're here legally or not doesn't matter: you still have constitutional rights.

That was alasdair's point and let's not forget it or willfully ignore it.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The post you quoted didn't contain alasdair calling you a "nazi" or "NS" or anything like that. Please point it out to me if it's there ok?
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what's NS? I don't care if someone calls me a national socialist as there's nothing inherently wrong with nationalism or socialism but yeah man can we all relax? It was a joke. It's like all of a sudden calling someone a Nazi is a serious offence lol, during the whole Charlottesville saga I think 75% of the posters in CEP were calling me a Nazi ? they didn't care that I'm Jewish either. For the record Alasdairm did not call me a Nazi this time or any time in the past previously. But he did imply that I have less empathy than him which is not true.

There's this thing you're ignoring, that the constitution applies to everyone, not just citizens. Whether you're here legally or not doesn't matter: you still have constitutional rights.

That was alasdair's point and let's not forget it or willfully ignore it.
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I'm not ignoring that lol I already knew that, I support that, but he's the one who didn't understand the point I was making. You can be a non-citizen that is protected under the US constitution while also being someone that overstayed their visa and needs to get their ass kicked out of the country.

I wish the open borders crowd would just be honest and say "we want open borders".
 
I didn't imply Trump raped anyone in the thread title.

Other threads highlight his 27 (well-aged) accusers. And quite honestly once the number gets that large it gets harder and harder to deny it even if you're innocent. I tend to believe the women, especially after the columnists' story regarding sexual violence she experienced at the hands of several men including DJT.

I'm sorry if you think it's fake news, but the public's going to find *at least some if not all* of the 27 accusers credible. Again, would it BLOW my mind if only some were legitimate accusations? Not at all; really, not at all. But if I had to guess I'm thinking the MAJORITY of those 27 women wouldn't make stories up or put themselves in harms way or humiliate themselves or put themselves out there like that unless it really happened (or "something happened" and the degree to which it is "a crime" or just "inappropriate behavior" I'm not going to argue).

I don't have an agenda here but the accusations are worrying - and should be - to the average American.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Other threads highlight his 27 (well-aged) accusers.... but the public's going to find *at least some if not all* of the 27 accusers credible. Again, would it BLOW my mind if only some were legitimate accusations?
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That's great and all, but wholly outside of THIS thread where you made the title about Trump being associated with Epstein. Nothing to do with his 27 well aged accusers. How about having a thread, or putting it in the Trump thread, or wherever all those other posts are, since THERE it would be relevant. In this thread, simply clarify where Trump and Epstein are buddies. Because, JG and I have pointed out repeatedly how Trump crossed paths minimal times and was not friends with Epstein, whereas others (most notably Clinton) were friends with Epstein and seen with him on many occasions. If you want to have a President get mud slung on him for association with Epstein, it's not Trump but Clinton. Odd how you hold to the thread title in without a means to support it, and ignore the facts.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Nothing to do with his 27 well aged accusers.
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I thought there was an epstein/trump accuser who was too nervous to come forward w/ their name and dropped the issue prior to him being elected (brain news blur perhaps?)

I'll change the title if that is what is wished right now, as it seems fairly disconnected and we know Trump likes them old and helpless not super young. *shrugs*

p.s. if there WAS an "anonymous Trump/Epstein accuser" it is quite possible they are lying because I think we all know Trump likes to take sexual advantage of women his own age if we are to believe the 27 accusers.

But you right-leaners keep trying to discount the voices of 27 adult women.... I'm not saying they're right, or should be heard (statue of limitations exist for these very reasons): I'm saying we shouldn't ignore an obvious reality and remain open-minded to any possibility. Sure, 27 people could lie. It's quite possible every human being has told one lie or another at one point or another, or tells lies every day. It's also possible that the credible overlap of details and distress and fear of alleged victims in coming forward against someone so powerful makes it seem much more real than not so in the minds of people *who don't give a fuck if a R or D is in office but instead cares about the economy, the deficit, and the environment!!!!!!*

If Trump was like "oh those women are 7's, they're liars" yeah he probably grabbed their pussy. If he had THEN come out VERY STRONGLY against the GROTESQUE accusations against Epstein I'd be like "wow that doesn't seem like trying to play it off: I can tell he didn't, that's the same disgusted reaction I'd exhibit". I'm sure Trump didn't do it (if I had to guess I don't think he's that sociopathic and if he did touch an underage girl it was probably his daughter so the law gets fuzzy there?) but I tend to believe the 27 women, or at least the more credible ones who have come forward.

JG you know how you believe Hillary Clinton is like Griselda Blanco and had Epstein almost "suicided"? Wouldn't those 27 women also fear a DJT instructed hitman coming for them in the middle of the night? I think these women risked an insane degree of mockery and hate from the public at large for telling what they believe to be the truth. Stormy, yeah, she's in it for more money with her crooked attorney and her book deal and the strip club tours across America capitalizing off some gross affair that if it was recorded NO ONE would want to see. But some of the women seem to have real stories and real trauma.

Real trauma is hard to continually "act". This has been seen in horror movies such as Martyrs where the actresses get "cried out" and know they're totally safe so they start laughing at the absurdity of it all and what not. This is my belief and I'm sticking to it.
Should we also listen to every woman who says Biden smelled their hair? YES. But is that as bad as being grabbed by the genitals against your will? No, no it's not. I'm sure it could feel pretty creepy if the hair-sniffing was done in a certain way, but I don't think it's a "major line crosser". I think you all know Biden is too old to do a good job IMO and I wouldn't vote for him so I'm not trying to defend or attack him (especially as he's the only centrist Dem. with a chance of hell in getting the vote out)
 
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JGrimez said:
You can't charge someone with a thought crime.
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Hi, my name is Winston and I have seen Room 101. Inside the box was a full motion picture film, of my life. I had lots of money, friends, loved ones and lived to an old age laughing and guffawing like a nincompoop. And I was sober for the rest of my life.

It was so terrifying that I betrayed everything I ever believed in. Welcome to a world without the 1st amendment; its repeal is in slow-motion, technologically aided and we shall never hear the paper ripping but we'll see the shreds falling slowly to the ground when it is just a moment too late to save it.
 
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