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Ephedrine - weight loss

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just ordered some Ephedrine and will take it to help with weight loss. Does anyone have experience taking it for this reason? I will be taking the amount recommended on the bottle, 3 x 8mg capsiles a day. Abuse of this can be dangerous. Does anyone see any problems with the recommended dose?

BTW, I know a proper diet and exercise are the right ways to lose weight. I do not make enough time for exercise.8)
 
Ephedrine will be like a 2-3 cups of coffe (at least for me). Which means I get hyperactive and can't do any real mental work. If I take full dose (25mg) I start shivering...anyway wouldn't recommend it for weight loss.
 
^Ephedrine is nasty stuff, please be careful. Some effects you might notice - shaky hands, body tremors, loss of appetite, trouble sleeping, etc.....
Honestly, if you only exercise 20-30 minutes a day it can make a huge difference, you don't have 30 minutes to spare for your health? Also, changing your diet can make a HUGE difference. Try eating lots of fruits and good, frech veggies with fish and poultry (organic, or course!) thrown in for protein. You would be amazed how much better you will feel....:)
 
ALCAR is way better for weight loss than ephedrine. I've taken both, and there is really no contest. Ephedrine makes you feel jittery, increases tremors, and tends to make people really bitchy.

ALCAR on the other hand is considered a nootropic. Its primary action is to boost lipid metabolism, but also acts as a neuroprotective agent. Since I've started taking it in January, I've noticed a significant decrease in day-to-day anxiety, loss of flat affect (due to depression) and a generally improved mood. Not to mention losing 15 pounds in two months, almost entirely from fat loss.

IMO the only thing that ephedrine is good for is an occaisional energy boost, but only when no other alternatives are around.
 
Come on guys Ephedrine is not THAT bad! We are on a website devoted to recreational drugs that can easily kill you, and we get all hyped up about ephedrine?

First off, ephedrine stacked with caffeine is universally recognized as an effective weight loss aid, as it helps control appetitie and acts as a potent thermogenic. Do a google search for thermogenic. That is why some people get chills, which some people take as to mean it is working.

I find ALCAR to be effective also, but it is different.
 
ECY Stack

more info....

What is an ECY stack?
ECY stands for ephedrine HCL, yohimbine HCL and caffeine

Where can I find the ingredients for the ECY stack
* Ephedrine HCL can be found at the BB.com Cyberstore as well as DNE
* Caffeine can be found at the BB.com Cyberstore
* Yohimbine HCL, though not sold as a seperate ingredient, can be found as yohimbe at the BB.com Cyberstore. You can also find it seperately at other Internet locations. An internet "search" will accomplish this

What are the dosings/servings of the ECY stack?
If you are new to this, you will need to start at a basic level. Ideally, each serving will be:

* Ephedrine HCL: 25mg
* Caffeine: 200mg
* Yohimbine HCL: 5mg

The best (i.e. ideal) time to take it will be 30 minutes prior to a meal (preferably low carb) and/or 30 minutes prior to exercise. It should also be noted that yohimbine really isn't necessary to make this stack AMAZING. Ephedrine HCL and caffeine will do well. Many people will alternate ephedrine HCL and caffeine with yohimbine HCL with caffeine, as there is published material stating that the combination of ephedrine and yohimbine isn't wise. You can read up on it here

You should wait a few days before your increase your servings (assessing tolerance to the ingredients). In most cases, people will take 2-3 servings a day, with a few taking 4 servings a day and some whackos taking more then that . Each serving should be taken roughly 4 hours or more apart, and again, 30 minutes prior to a meal (preferably low carb) and/or exercise.

What pre-cautions should I take with the ECY stack?
Some basic pre-cautions include:

* Not surpassing 100mg ephedrine HCL in a 24 hour period
* Not surpassing 0.2mg/kg of bodyweight of yohimbine HCL (20mg for a 220lb person)
* Always watch for side-effects, including: increased blood pressure, heart palpitations, increased body temperature, et cetera.
* As caffeine is a diuretic, please drink plenty of fluids (i.e. water) daily.
 
More info (taken from another website)

OK, the easiest thing to do here is to describe what each ingredient does. This will make the best combination obvious.

Norephedrine – Isomer of ephedrine. It is a mirror copy of the ephedrine molecule and occurs naturally in all ephedra-based products. It is less effective than ephedrine as a sympathomimetic.

Norephedrine is no longer made and is banned for sale in the US. Any source selling norephedrine at this time should be highly suspect

MaHuang – This is another name for ephedra. It is the whole herb containing many ephedra alkoloids including ephedrine, norephedrine (phenyproponalanine), psuedoephedrine, etc.

Synephrine – This is a molecule similar to yohimbine in it mechanism of action. It will increase sympathetic activity but it does so more as an alpha-2 antagonist rather than a beta-2 agonist.

Caffeine – Caffeine is a methyxanthine. It acts as a phosphodiesterase inhibitor and as an adenosine inhibitor. All by itself it will increase norepinephrine as well as epinephrine levels and thus sympathetic activity and lipolysis. It also has potent effects on the sodium/potassium pump and intracellular calcium ion kinetics, making it a very useful ergogentic aid.

Yohimbine – Yohimbe acts as a specific alpha-2 adrenergic antagonist. As such, it prevents the "presynaptic" negative feeback signal from noradrenaline on the nerve terminal that releases it. There is some question as to its "post synaptic" effects on fat cells. This might explain its lackluster performance as a lower body fat reducer.

Green Tea – Green tea contains caffeine and other xanthines similar to caffeine. Because of this it elicits may of the same effects as caffeine. Green tea is also unique in that it contains many tea catechins that have been shown to posses anti-cancer properties.

Guggulsterones – Contrary to popular belief, guggulsterones do not increase thyroid gland activity. Research has shown that gugguls act as antioxidants, able to inhibit lipid peroxidation in the liver. This antiperoxidaitive property helps to maintain the cell memebranes in the liver. Membrane integrity directly effects the conversion of T4 to T3. So, gugguls increase T3 levels by optimizing the conversion of inactive T4 into the active T3 in the liver.

Phosphates – Phosphates have been shown to prevent the reduction in thyroid levels with caloric restriction. It isn’t clear how phosphates accomplish this.

Forskohlii – Forshohlii inceases intracellular cAMP levels. Increased cAMP levels are necessary for an increase in lipolysis. Forskohlii is used in laboratory setting as an "in-vitro" agent. It has not been used in-vivo (i.e. with live animals or people). No body can really say whether it is an effective fat loss agent when taken orally until it can be shown to work in controlled experiments.

Tyrosine – Tyrosine is an amino acid. It is a substrate for the production of the neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine. Some research exists showing supplemental tyrosine may increase the effectiveness of sympathomimetics such as ephedrine hydrochloride.

Quercetin – Quercitin is a flavonoid with little or no effect on lipolysis. It is recommended however if you are at risk of breast cancer.

Naringin – Naringin, found in grapefruit juice, acts by selective post-translational down regulation of cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) expression in the intestinal wall. Several components of grapefruit juice, including naringin, naringenin, limonin and obacunone, also showed inhibitory effects in human microsomes. Hydrophobic components other than flavonoids, probably coumarin derivatives, are responsible for the effects of grapefruit juice on drug metabolism.

D-pinitol – D-pinitol is an insulin agonist. It would have no discernable effect on fat loss.

Colosolic Acid (Banaba) – Corosolic acid, like d-pinitol, is an insulin agonist and should have no discernable effect on fat loss.

Lipoic acid – Lipoic acid is an antioxidant. In high doses it has been shown to enhance insulin sensitivity. This would have no discernable effects on fat loss in normal individuals.

Obviously ALA has some very positive nutrient partioning effects, but does not directly influence on lipolysis

It should be clear from the above information that ephedrine (ephedrine HCl) combined with caffeine in a ratio of 1:10 respectively, would be the best thermogenic combination. In fact, there is ample research demonstrating the effectiveness of this combination for both short term and long term weight loss. The addition of insulin sensitizers as "thermogenics" is simply an industry trend started by individuals with a reduced understanding of human physiology and nutritional science.
 
Interesting take on ECA Stack (by someone other than me)
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I am constantly hearing complaints of side effects associated with the ECA stack. Jitteriness, nausea, excessive sweating, rapid pulse.

Although there is sound science behind it, there are some major flaws that prevent the ECA stack from being a good supplement. Here they are, and I'll use Xenadrine as the example.

1. People don't read the label.
"Take half of the dosage for the first week to access your tolerance level." So naturally they take 4 pills at once, and when they feel all messed up, they blame it on the pills. For many cycles, I have used the ECA stack without any side effects, and without even knowing it's there for the most part. Why? Because there's this thing called tolerance. This leads me to the second reason....
2. People are impatient.
I do 4 days on 1 pill, 4 days on 2, 4 days on 3, and the rest on 4. Then, at the end of the cycle, I do the reverse. I barely know it's there, and I'm very sensitive to stimulants. But for immediate satisfaction people will start out with too high of a dose. This will cause anyone to become jittery. Tolerance to the CNS effects build rather rapidly, but many of the fat burning effects remain. All the research has been done on long, consistent use - not popping 4 pills and expecting to lose 10 pounds.
3. People don't do the research.
So why, you ask, don't people KNOW about tolerance? Because they're taking something that they know nothing about. Most people think the only function of the ECA is to increase heart rate. So they think that if they're not speeding it's not working. ECA has many fat burning effects when taken the way I've described. But don't take my word for it; do some research!
4. People want something for nothing.
You hear many people complain that these products don't work. But ephedrine and caffeine are bar none the best legal fat burners, as evidenced by literally hundreds of studies and double-blind, placebo-controlled trials. If there's some mild side effects, so be it. You can't expect to lose fat rapidly without side effects! It's physically impossible. If a fat burner is completely comfortable, it's probably not doing anything. The reason these supps don't work for many? Because they don't do it in combination with a calorie deficit. A pill is not a substitute - you have to be willing to put the work in.
5. People are stupid.
Heart attacks, palpitations, convulsions. It's right there on the label. It tells you that you shouldn't take it with certain medical conditions, and the dosage parameters. And you know what? Multiple controlled studies show no difference in the amount of these conditions in the normal population versus people who use ephedrine. It is perfectly safe taken within the limits. In this same vein are tons of media reports. Every single one says, "This person who took ephedrine had this problem." That doesn't mean jack shit compared to the controlled studies I describe. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a perfectly safe substance. But I think it's 99.999% safe when you follow the directions on the label.

And if you think by "people," I'm talking about everyone but you, I could very well be talking about you. I know I'm talking about myself, the bottom 4 points describe my actions in many cases.
 
Come on guys Ephedrine is not THAT bad! We are on a website devoted to recreational drugs that can easily kill you, and we get all hyped up about ephedrine?
True, but this is the Healthy Living" forum. In my opinion there is nothing remotely healthy about taking ephedrine....
 
^^^Except every intangible life saving benefit of losing weight in people who are extremely overweight.

The deal is that it is not a miracle drug. Taken by itself one can only expect to lose approximately 100 calories a day beased upon the thermogenic effects. However, as a dietary supplement, it can increase healthy fat loss which greatly increases general health.

This begs the question, why was it banned if it is so healthy? My response is to compare the # of deaths from Aspirin to the # of deaths from Ephedrine and ask why Aspirin isn't banned. Yet we all consider Aspirin to be a decently healthy pain and inflamation reliever.
 
I try to eat right and do exercise about 3 times a week. But I also am an alcoholic so I drink about 1500 calories a day, which is why I am looking in to Ephedrine. Just to save everyone the time, I realize that the single most benefitial thing I could do for my health would be to quit drinking!
 
markus-- It's because you can't make crystal out of asprin. Simple as that.
 
Ephedrine is/was banned in the U.S. because it is a precursor to methamphetamine, not because a couple of pro sports players died from it.

Ephedrine is also anti-catabolic btw (it won't burn muscle) and this is why its a popular supplement among gym rats (represent ;).

MDMA, Meth, Nicotine, Coke (most stimulants) are catabolic.
 
^^^ Ephedrine is not banned, though. I can still get it in the form of asthma medication at my local drug store. I don't know in what ways it was "banned", however. Perhaps in the form of diet pills? If it was banned, why can I still get it?
 
ro4eva said:
Ephedrine is/was banned in the U.S. because it is a precursor to methamphetamine, not because a couple of pro sports players died from it.

Ephedrine is also anti-catabolic btw (it won't burn muscle) and this is why its a popular supplement among gym rats (represent ;).

MDMA, Meth, Nicotine, Coke (most stimulants) are catabolic.

Ro4eva and dave...

Actually, my understanding is that crystal is made from a compound of ephedrine, psudoephedrine. Thats why people that make the stuff use Sudafed (with psudoephedrine) instead of growing their own ma huang plants (which is the source for ephedra).

Anyways, this link says nothing about meth being the driving force behind the ban on ephedrine supplements.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/12/30/ephedra/

EDIT This link should set it straight...

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/204_ephedra.html
 
orange said:
I try to eat right and do exercise about 3 times a week. But I also am an alcoholic so I drink about 1500 calories a day, which is why I am looking in to Ephedrine. Just to save everyone the time, I realize that the single most benefitial thing I could do for my health would be to quit drinking!

Orange...

Just taking ephedrine is not going to help you lose weight, and mixing it with large amounts of alcohol I am sure does no favors to the heart and body.
 
^I'm sure they don't mention thats why they banned it, but i'm sure that's a big reason(not the only reason...).
 
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