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This can go in a lot of directions, but i'm going to start it with this, and we'll see if it goes anywhere at all...

We are energy. That statement can be taken all the way to our structure and how it is a form of energy. It also can be looked at as us as humans having an energy body as well as our physical body....among other ways...

so..here goes

We have a magnetic field. There is more to us than we can see. We conduct electricity, but we also have a greater field around us of it. I knew this already but I was reminded of it the other day when I was mixing some records and my freakin tone arm needs to be replaced. So what it does with then needle is produce feedback. I was trying to fix it through various ways and everytime my hand got kinda close to the needle...but not touching it, it would change the feedback. So what was happening is that my energy around my body was directly affecting it, without me touching it.

Now, since we don't see this it's easy to forget. And also, since we don't see this, we don't really know how it reacts and works with other things and especially people.
We know this energy exists, but how far does it go?
Is it affected by our emotions?
When we "connect" more with someone is there more energy being exchanged?
Do we project our energy via mood, attitude, thoughts, words, etc?
Certain people can see aura's, and many have seen them in heightened awareness or in altered states....so it is quite possible they exist. That aura of energy is one's moods/thoughts/inner feelings/etc. It is also reported that they interact with those around them, and especially enlightened being's aura's are reported to go up to miles away. Love seems to be the best conductor of energy, with more potency, less blockages......when you're in love you have a highly conductive bond that is very sensitive and powerful.

I have ideas/experiences and some opinions on a lot of this, but i'm wondering what does everyone else think?

the vibe of a good party, is more than just "hey, happy people"...it's their energy, their positive energy all together, it invades you....just like when you walk into a place full of negative energy, like a courthouse or somethin. With awareness of these things, we can gravitate to what's better for us, more intune with who we want to be.....

ya
 
yea :) i dig it

i don't really have much to say, tho. i mean...you pretty much summed it up, dude.

i think the frequency/frequencies of messages up/down our spinal chord plays big into this. telepathy, etc...like, you can tell what frequencies someone else's spinal chord/mind is at because it projects itself in everyway they act.

someday, maybe, i will get a research grant or something, and actually run some exeriments with this...

*shrug*

stuff like this seems to turn into fierce debates around these parts, tho, and i'm really sick of it. 8)
 
this is quite interesting and i have always known this kind of thing but never actually gotten around to think of it....true i believe everyone is energy and we can read someone else's energy like the radio can pick up the radio waves, and that is also and interesting point, if we can pinpoint at which frequency another human is at then perhaps we can communicate by telepathy.

u know when ur sittin with someone and u r thinkin about something and u look at something and they see u look at something, both of you are concentratin on the same thing therefore your frequency's are kind of close which means that the other person is going to know what ur thinking. shortly after he or she will ask r u thinking what im thinking. that seems like soemthing that would solutionize that little dilema.....interesting theories how so cool they are!
 
"solutionize that little dilema" ?

lol :D (what)
 
Yeah, I agree with you (original poster). You might be interested in reading The Celestine Prophecies, the story is a bit crap, but it has a lot to say on this subject. It's a best-seller to because of it. Pretty easy book to come by.
 
our nervous system produces externally detectable electric signals and the human body also produces electromagnetic fields at the cellular and macroscopic levels. but i don't think there's been any correlation found between the EMF our bodies produce and our emotions or thoughts. it mostly just has to do with the fact that our bodies are composed of charged particles and our CNS system uses small electric currents to send signals across neurons.

if there were some kind of greater connection between sentient beings, which i like to think that there is, i don't think it has to do with electric fields and electromagnetic radiation. these aren't magical mysterious forces which are signs of our "life force" or "auras" or whatever. they're simply caused by differences in voltage or net electrical charge between two points. you put a powerful magnet on a table and it will also produce a huge electromagnetic field. love is not a measure of electric conductivity.

i think you're reading too much into a natural phenomenon which we already understand pretty well as simply the laws of physics at work.
 
While it is true our bodies generate electromagnetic fields (hold the electrodes of an oscilloscope and you'll see it's pattern :)), I do not think that we can influence one another from these fields. There are thousands, even millions of different EM sources around us every day which generate EM fields from incredible subtle to very powerful. Mobile phones, TVs, computers, monitors, fridges, hairdriers, microwaves, the Earth's magnetic field, power lines, tumble driers. Anything which has moving parts powered by electricity or electronics in it produces such fields.

Saying "telepathy is us picking up each others neural EM fields" has a decent basis, but the amount of noise around us in magnetic fields would make it akin to trying to hear someone whisper your name from across a full football stadium when everyone else is yelling because someone scored, it just gets drowned out.
 
^ well, say you're touching that person...then you can feel the changes in muscle tension and other things that are caused by electric neural firings.

or, take a step back, say you're just looking at that person. your visual info is compounded with the electric signals you feel, and when visual info syncs up in your mind with the electric signals you feel (it 'makes sense' in your head), the frequency (thought about how the person is feeling) comes out

a metaphor for this is like BrainWave generator, if anyone's heard of it...basically, it lets your mind hear/feel very low tones (like 5Hz) by playing two signals separated by that frequency...say...100Hz and 105Hz...and your brain can tell the 5Hz difference between them (I think due to nodes syncing up in the two waves?)

so i mean...that's kinda what i mean...you get two sets of input, and if you consider both simultaneously, you can filter out everything that doesn't match between the two. (In this case your two sets of input can be sight + emf's, or touch + emf's, or...like...theoretically, even sound + emf, even if the person is halfways across the world, because waves travel an infinite length, and if you can identify two things to pay concrete attention to, you can lock into them from an infinite distance away)

heh, i hope i am not rambling too much, this stuff is fun to post about!
 
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our nervous system produces externally detectable electric signals and the human body also produces electromagnetic fields at the cellular and macroscopic levels. but i don't think there's been any correlation found between the EMF our bodies produce and our emotions or thoughts. it mostly just has to do with the fact that our bodies are composed of charged particles and our CNS system uses small electric currents to send signals across neurons.

if there were some kind of greater connection between sentient beings, which i like to think that there is, i don't think it has to do with electric fields and electromagnetic radiation. these aren't magical mysterious forces which are signs of our "life force" or "auras" or whatever. they're simply caused by differences in voltage or net electrical charge between two points. you put a powerful magnet on a table and it will also produce a huge electromagnetic field. love is not a measure of electric conductivity.

i think you're reading too much into a natural phenomenon which we already understand pretty well as simply the laws of physics at work.
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i see your point, however i personally feel there's more to it.

For instance, if our bodies are naturally creating this EMF or whatever, then wouldn't that field be altered by us? And if so, would it just be our physical state or would our actual state of mind make a difference? Some people are known to cause lights to shut off, and such, I've met someone who can't be near any electronic devices since she's in such a potent place in her heart and mind.

I feel that the more in tune with ourselves, with our basic nature...which i also feel is love, then we affect our natural flow of energy. There is less blocking it. So if that's the case, then that natural flow as it increases with less blockages, changes the actual physical end of the whole thing.

And regarding psychic phenomenon. The idea of energy isn't simply what we can measure or what we decide what's measured. From personal experience, I've noticed that when i'm connecting with someone more, whether it be because they are family or close friend, or simply like minded, our energies seem to come together easier. When that happens it can induce things like knowing what the other is thinking, it can induce knowing when the other is going to call, it trouble, etc. Also it creates a feeling of working together, even if it's unsaid. There's understandings, even if unsaid. There are subconscious links going on all the time.

So i do feel that there's more out there, and in regards to energy especially.

When you get into some other theories on our nature, they go into the fact that we are energy(as everything else) and that we are directly connected to that energy at all times. Shit, this is just my take on things, truth is subjective, so i don't have yours.

i think we have a lot of control over all this. And our awareness can be tailored to include more of this reality, of this energy.

sorry for the rambling-factor...

oh and if you want to feel energy, i've played with a few ways, but here's one.....it has to be done with another person...

so, sit there and hold your hands like you were holding a softball, and concentrate in the area between your hands. Send all your thoughts and emotion and energy into this space, like you're creating a ball in the space between your hands..

after a few minutes, keep your hands together, and place them around another persons arm or hand or whatever.....depending on sensitivity of both people, the area on the receivers body will get warm and sometimes produce other sensations.......

Also! shit i almost forgot!

Energy work.

I know people that do massage and have gotten into energy work. This entails not touching the body *at all* but using yourself as a conduit of energy for healing.

One friend was especially good at it, he said that most every time he had someone on his table it was induce an emotional release, they would start crying usually. Without touching their body, he was able to heal them, heal wounds even by simply touching their "aura". It's a pretty common practice and there's schools teaching it all over. It works with the chakras and such, it's really interesting.

anyways, i've been rambling, i've been interrupted a bunch of times writing this, and i don't think it's as clear as i'd like. But reading it again makes me realize that there's a million things to say and saying them all would just be silly. so i've said what i've said, and now i'm explaining my explanation. =D
 
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zybotelectron said:
We have a magnetic field. There is more to us than we can see. We conduct electricity, but we also have a greater field around us of it. I knew this already but I was reminded of it the other day when I was mixing some records and my freakin tone arm needs to be replaced. So what it does with then needle is produce feedback. I was trying to fix it through various ways and everytime my hand got kinda close to the needle...but not touching it, it would change the feedback. So what was happening is that my energy around my body was directly affecting it, without me touching it.
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We don't really have much of a magnetic field. Anyways, I wouldn't really say that your 'energy' was affecting the needle. I will bet you what was going on was one of two things:

1) you had picked up a static charge someplace -- know how occasionally you'll touch a person or a metal doorknob or something and get a little shock? that's just from picking up a static electric charge -- and that induced charges in the needle or whatever other components.

2) your body, being mostly made up of water, is a pretty decent electrical conductor, and therefore can function as a crude antenna. You've probably noticed how touching a TV or radio antenna sometimes really improves (or messes up) the signal... that's your body acting as a crude antenna. Being close to the needle/toner arm would alter the composition of any fields it maybe generates by itself; alternatively by picking up some RF frequency and bringing it near the arm you might have caused some interference.

These phenomena, and the EM field in general, have nothing at all to do with the vague ideas about spiritual energy or emotional energy or psychic energy or auras etc you are talking about. There is a scientific definition of 'energy' which is technical and boring and has exactly nothing to with emotion, psychology, etc. You can call that other stuff "energy" too if you want, but keep in mind that it's totally unrelated to the scientific definition of energy.
 
I think connections between people can be more readily explained by our mere genetic similarity than EM fields. The more similar two organisms are, the more likely it is that they will be able to empathize with each other. We can look at another human and say "It is highly probable that my experience of being human is, on the whole, nearly identical to theirs, save for a few trivial differences." No EM fields needed. You are just two members of the same species. Other species form intimate connections with each other as well.

Now it may very well be the case that organisms have some special ability to interact with each other, apart from just physical or linguistic contact. But to prove that, I think you would have to look beyond just an overlapping of EM fields.

Haven't there been some tests in which people are cut off from their senses and then asked whether they could detect the presence of another person in the room? Anybody know the results of this test?

What about if the other person was wearing a suit that scrambled their EM field?
 
Our heart emanates a substantial magnetic field by pumping a vortex of charged ions. This field interacts with our CNS, especially our brain, and most definitely affects another person in close range. We have magnetic field on the surface of our body, a phenomenon employed by RedTaction, a new device which sends data at speeds of 10 Mbs from one point of skin to another (http://www.physorg.com/news3153.html).

All that being said, the new agey energy/aura concept alienates some and seems obvious to others, but at least the ones hatin' can't prove it wrong :) Keep the positive energy flowing, even if it doesn't follow the "laws" in a physics book!
 
1. you are confused about what enegy is
2. theres no such thing as "energy body" - you might be referring to "spirit", but chances are good that such thing doesn't exist either
3. our nervous system functions by transmitting electrical currents through the nerve-fibers aka axons. Currents induce electric fields, currents induce magnetic fields - both too miniscule to be detected by means other than specifically designed sensors.. which we use to measure those so-called biopotentials, e.g. ECG, EEG, EMG, EOG what-not. Rest assured, your brain is very much incapable of picking up on those things. Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) devices produce magnetic fields of under 3 Teslas, while our entire planet's magnetic field is under 1/20,000 T, our bodies' magnetic field is about six orders of magnitude lower than that of Terra (so - ~1/2E10T).... plus the fact that simply anatomically, our brain does not have the fuctionality to accept M-field "transmissions". It is true...
4. energy exchange you speak of.. ..there is energy tranfer if thats what you mean.. as in - hot to cold, still to moving, quiet to loud... There is no such thing as energy exchange.
5. Finally, this "connecting with whoever" and feeling what-not and being like "yo man, i can feel yo vibe dude" is something that your implicit cognition takes care of for you - slightest twitch in a person's eye, the slightest discoloration in his face, his body temperature, the TINIEST CHANGES in his voice's level/tone/dynamics, him altering his lexicon even one word, body language, plus your mind automatially knows what a person is looking at at any given moment in time, what his hands are doing, how he's shifting his weight, how he breathes. ..And i always forget, - there is always your waking mind that knows what it needs and knows how to get it.

lata,
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This field interacts with our CNS, especially our brain, and most definitely affects another person in close range.
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As I, and now others, mentioned, while this is true, the naturally occuring magnetic field of the Earth and the huge number of man made sources around us are far more powerful, and if we could be influenced so easily by electromagnetic fields, you'd have an instant mood change when your mobile phone rang, going near a microwave would cause huge emotion. Even the wiring within the walls of your house would alter your emotions thousands, possibly millions of time more than someone even in skin contact with you.

The people at CERN or Fermilab (particle accelerators) who work with some of the worlds most powerful electromagnets (the things are 10m tall!!) would definately notice something when the machine is powered up.

Any possible method of interaction is completely drowned out by both natural and artificial sources of magnetic fields.
 
^^Right...All I did was point out human sources of electric fields. I did not assert our EM fields cause the abovementioned perceptions of positive energy. All I did was point out many people perceive energy transfer/vibes/auras/etc. Yes this could be active imagination, misapplied scientific concepts, or plain baloney, but it could also be something more. Wouldn't a skeptic such as yourself consider that we can't explain such psychic phenomena?

T or F? One person's magnetic field has absolutely/completely no effect on another's own. If you say True, then I need to retake Physics 132. :)

All I was saying is let the people think the positive energy is flowing, for their peace of mind- what else do we have besides our minds? Energy/EM fields might mean something completely different to an unphysicized or mathetized person unlike yourself, although you would be correct in academia to point out the copious external non-human sources of electric fields.
 
Is there any reason why you couldn't see the flow/exchange of information in terms of energy?
 
True. Let me rephrase it then. Is there any scientific reason why the flow/exchange of information can't be viewed in terms of energy.
 
IMO The flow of information is necessary for energy transfer, and vice versa. Once again, we are dealing with imprecise terms: information and to a lesser extent, energy. I see the universe as composed of continual uniform sets of interactions and information, interpreted to our necessarily blind senses as mass/energy flowing through reality. I realize this logic is circular, but I think both concepts (info and energy) encapsulate and create each other.
But enough of my pseudoscience, I want to hear what Alpha has to say about your query...
 
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