WhiskersEATSfancy
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I am a science major, I dabble in chemistry, and health. My roommate is a drug addict. He makes his own life decisions and it's his choice. However, I am involved in the procedures he uses to fix up his rigs because it is somewhat in the realm of how chemists play with their chemicals. He is an IV drug user, and I've called him my cat in some other posts until I was told that makes it sound like me. ANYWAYS.
I convinced him to buy micron filters, they are used in the hospitals and for good reason. I wanted to test the effectiveness of these filters so he saved me a few and I labeled them to which drug and manufacturer they came from. Here are my findings.
1) I took one micron filter labeled Oxy; Manufacturer: blue scored: M and 30.
2) I took another filter labeled Oxy; 30 mg Manufacturer: some big white generic pill, (didn't get a good look)
3) I took another filter labeled Adderall XR; manufacturer: orange, capsule printed "adderall 200 mg"
4) I took a final filter labeled Adderall IR; Manufacturer: white octangular Scored: M and 20
As a control I took an unused filter
I took them to my lab and cut them all open where I busted out the microscope to do some research.
His procedure is to crush the pills, add water, use the tip of a cotton swab and draw up 1cc of the solution. Next he would inject the solution into a 3 cc luer lock syringe, attach the micron filter and push through into a sterilized spoon with another cotton ball. Draw up into a new syringe and inject.
Personally, seeing this done, I feel he is being pretty safe with his .2 micron filter which I know is enough to trap bacteria and any HARMFUL binders and fillers.
He uses a different procedure for the XR adderall because inside the capsule are tiny balls that need to be prepped, I don't know how he does it so I cannot provide that information. I do know at the end he uses a micron filter.
My goal was to see which pill he was using was safest and to spread this information among those of you who don't use micron filters.
1) The Oxy filter with the blue pill scored M and 30 I noticed had very little in the form of particulates stopped by the filter. In fact I saw more dust particles (dead skin, pollen, a few spores [harmless in the circulatory system in its amount]) and some unidentifiable fibers that are common in the air we breath. There was a scarce amount of fillers, no binders were found) Overall I can see one injecting this pill crudely filtered once or twice with cotton as not life threatening in the amounts my roommate uses, (1-2 pills a day). It is a fairly clean pill and I believe the manufacturer took into account IV drug users and designed the pill with harm reduction in mind. This is still not a med made for injection and the risks involved with IV pill use still apply.
2) The second filter went under the same scrutiny as the first. The generic large white 30mg oxy. The results were very different. I noticed right away a THICK layer of particulates stopped by the filter. It was so heavy I was unable to see the same resulting dust and small unidentifiable fibers the float in the air. There were both fillers and binders on the filter. Overall I can see one injecting this pill crudely filtered once or twice with cotton as an ineffective means of filtering for IV injection. You will likely not suffer life threatening symptoms with minimal use but it is VERY likely these binders and fillers can clog capillaries (they ARE big enough). Additionally, clogged capillaries and accumulation of dissoluble particles can cause blood clots with moderate/excessive use. Excessive use of these pills without the use of micron filters can cause death without warning. I would strongly advise against the use of these pills and if one requires a faster onset than gained with the intended rout of administration I would suggest insufflation or rectal means. Smoking is a stupid idea for any pill so I will not rate this method as an option.
3) The third filter was up. Adderall XR. I noticed right away a very thin layer of particulates. Upon a closer look I identified these to be the pill's filler and binders. Being familiar what talc looks like I identified some fillers as talc. WARNING talc is a very very bad particle to have in your circulatory system. Your kidneys do not filter talc very easily, and that is if it even reaches your kidneys before becoming lodged in capillaries in your heart, lung tissue, and low pressure zones next to your heart valves. Repeated used can cause a build up leading to disease, blood clots, cyanosis>tissue death, ect.. Using a micron filter with this pill is a must!
4) The fourth filter was next. Adderall IR. My findings were very similar to the M brand Oxy pill. Again made by the same company I believe they had harm reduction in mind for the people who will abuse their pills. There was very little in the form of fillers or binders and again I saw the regular dust particles and harmless microscopic fibers readily scrubbed from the blood by your kidneys. I can see one using a cotton tip and filtering the solution twice as a non-deadly form of administration if done on occasion.
Disclaimer: I do not have the credentials to support any of my statements as fact and this must all be treated as opinion. I think it is all understood that IV administration of pills is dangerous to anyone other than a trained pharmaceutical chemist. But as we all know that last statement (which is fact) will not deter the IV drug user. So to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce harm from this practice it is STRONGLY advised (if not imperative) to use a filter wheel. It is no argument filter wheels have saved people's lives and IMO if you have the money to buy drugs, you have the money to buy filter wheels. Yes they cost a few dollars each, and you can only use them once, but your life is worth more than saving a few bucks by prepping your fix in a dangerous way. Yes our bodies are made to take a beating, but it only takes that one shot to end it all.
If you are having a hard time finding affordable filter wheels, PM me and I will help you out.
As for my little experiment, hope you enjoyed my findings.
Lastly: The safety aspect of this post does not include the inactive ingredients that will also dissolve in water along with the active ingredient. This harm reduction pays attention to particles that do not dissolve.
I convinced him to buy micron filters, they are used in the hospitals and for good reason. I wanted to test the effectiveness of these filters so he saved me a few and I labeled them to which drug and manufacturer they came from. Here are my findings.
1) I took one micron filter labeled Oxy; Manufacturer: blue scored: M and 30.
2) I took another filter labeled Oxy; 30 mg Manufacturer: some big white generic pill, (didn't get a good look)
3) I took another filter labeled Adderall XR; manufacturer: orange, capsule printed "adderall 200 mg"
4) I took a final filter labeled Adderall IR; Manufacturer: white octangular Scored: M and 20
As a control I took an unused filter
I took them to my lab and cut them all open where I busted out the microscope to do some research.
His procedure is to crush the pills, add water, use the tip of a cotton swab and draw up 1cc of the solution. Next he would inject the solution into a 3 cc luer lock syringe, attach the micron filter and push through into a sterilized spoon with another cotton ball. Draw up into a new syringe and inject.
Personally, seeing this done, I feel he is being pretty safe with his .2 micron filter which I know is enough to trap bacteria and any HARMFUL binders and fillers.
He uses a different procedure for the XR adderall because inside the capsule are tiny balls that need to be prepped, I don't know how he does it so I cannot provide that information. I do know at the end he uses a micron filter.
My goal was to see which pill he was using was safest and to spread this information among those of you who don't use micron filters.
1) The Oxy filter with the blue pill scored M and 30 I noticed had very little in the form of particulates stopped by the filter. In fact I saw more dust particles (dead skin, pollen, a few spores [harmless in the circulatory system in its amount]) and some unidentifiable fibers that are common in the air we breath. There was a scarce amount of fillers, no binders were found) Overall I can see one injecting this pill crudely filtered once or twice with cotton as not life threatening in the amounts my roommate uses, (1-2 pills a day). It is a fairly clean pill and I believe the manufacturer took into account IV drug users and designed the pill with harm reduction in mind. This is still not a med made for injection and the risks involved with IV pill use still apply.
2) The second filter went under the same scrutiny as the first. The generic large white 30mg oxy. The results were very different. I noticed right away a THICK layer of particulates stopped by the filter. It was so heavy I was unable to see the same resulting dust and small unidentifiable fibers the float in the air. There were both fillers and binders on the filter. Overall I can see one injecting this pill crudely filtered once or twice with cotton as an ineffective means of filtering for IV injection. You will likely not suffer life threatening symptoms with minimal use but it is VERY likely these binders and fillers can clog capillaries (they ARE big enough). Additionally, clogged capillaries and accumulation of dissoluble particles can cause blood clots with moderate/excessive use. Excessive use of these pills without the use of micron filters can cause death without warning. I would strongly advise against the use of these pills and if one requires a faster onset than gained with the intended rout of administration I would suggest insufflation or rectal means. Smoking is a stupid idea for any pill so I will not rate this method as an option.
3) The third filter was up. Adderall XR. I noticed right away a very thin layer of particulates. Upon a closer look I identified these to be the pill's filler and binders. Being familiar what talc looks like I identified some fillers as talc. WARNING talc is a very very bad particle to have in your circulatory system. Your kidneys do not filter talc very easily, and that is if it even reaches your kidneys before becoming lodged in capillaries in your heart, lung tissue, and low pressure zones next to your heart valves. Repeated used can cause a build up leading to disease, blood clots, cyanosis>tissue death, ect.. Using a micron filter with this pill is a must!
4) The fourth filter was next. Adderall IR. My findings were very similar to the M brand Oxy pill. Again made by the same company I believe they had harm reduction in mind for the people who will abuse their pills. There was very little in the form of fillers or binders and again I saw the regular dust particles and harmless microscopic fibers readily scrubbed from the blood by your kidneys. I can see one using a cotton tip and filtering the solution twice as a non-deadly form of administration if done on occasion.
Disclaimer: I do not have the credentials to support any of my statements as fact and this must all be treated as opinion. I think it is all understood that IV administration of pills is dangerous to anyone other than a trained pharmaceutical chemist. But as we all know that last statement (which is fact) will not deter the IV drug user. So to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce harm from this practice it is STRONGLY advised (if not imperative) to use a filter wheel. It is no argument filter wheels have saved people's lives and IMO if you have the money to buy drugs, you have the money to buy filter wheels. Yes they cost a few dollars each, and you can only use them once, but your life is worth more than saving a few bucks by prepping your fix in a dangerous way. Yes our bodies are made to take a beating, but it only takes that one shot to end it all.
If you are having a hard time finding affordable filter wheels, PM me and I will help you out.
As for my little experiment, hope you enjoyed my findings.
Lastly: The safety aspect of this post does not include the inactive ingredients that will also dissolve in water along with the active ingredient. This harm reduction pays attention to particles that do not dissolve.
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