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Originally Posted by htown77521
I guess that you can call us experienced. We have been doing X for 6 years now - every weekend. I think we kinda took it for granted that we always had clean pills until recently when I came across www.pillreports.com and saw that a lot of pills were mixed with other things. It was then that I started realizing why we sometimes had such different results as far as our high goes. On some pills we felt nothing, on others we stayed awake for a looong time, on some we couldn't sleep, threw up, got sick to the stomach etc. I now know almost for sure that it was on those occasions that we had 'dirty' pills. Just not sure how to tell in advance what exactly we get without having test kits.
Just the thought that we might be taking meth without being aware of it bothers me a lot. I did a lot of research on MDMA but nothing on any of the other drugs...MDE, MDA, MEth, etc. So, therefore it is hard for me to tell what exactly we took.
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Every weekend for 6 years? Didn't you start to notice some negative effects from that frequency of usage? I have friends who were doing e just about every weekend, sometimes twice, and their usage didn't take long to catch up with them (a year maybe), luckily they still use now, but more like once every few weeks. I'm sure if you took a couple of weekends off you would notice that you may start to feel a lot better, and your next roll would be better to.

Its good that you are taking the time to read up on the drug which you are choosing to put into your body, I know people who do lots of e, yet still don’t seem to know very much about it. 1 month between each time using e would be a lot safer. These links are the best I could do, I was trying to find something that goes into more detail about frequency of use but I’m in a bit of a hurry…

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_health.shtml
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/faq.htm
 
I am just a little curious about why meth is so popular.. I personally think that ecstasy gives a better peak. I love the empathetic feeling on e, which is lacking in meth. Meth just gives me euphoria, and energy - but the come down, oh my god is it worth it? At least with e, the come down is milder and can even be pleasant (that floaty feeling). I get a stronger, longer roll off e (and even more so if I look at other alternatives, like 2c-i)

Meth is becoming so common and just about everyone I know loves to use it. Can that be attributed to the addictive nature of it, how easy it is to get high off it, or because its the "in thing" now?
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E is popular also, along with a lot of other drugs. It really depends on who and where... Meth is becoming common, at least in the USA because it is very easy to produce and very cheap..... U have to have some knowledge of chemistry to produce E, meth on the other had has a lot less steps, ingrediants, and can be made faster.
 
I suspect part of the addiction issue is that you can keep taking more meth and getting the effects. MDMA is quite self-limiting -- serotonin depletion + tolerance set in quite quickly, making every day dosing pretty ineffectual. Many people can (and do) dose meth every day, or more frequently.

One of the threads in ADD puts it quite well: meth makes heaps of things easier/better, so its an attractive lifestyle. You can sleep less, party harder, get through work easier... at first. Until you end up addicted, then the tables get turned.
 
Every weekend for 6 years? Didn't you start to notice some negative effects from that frequency of usage? I have friends who were doing e just about every weekend, sometimes twice, and their usage didn't take long to catch up with them (a year maybe), luckily they still use now, but more like once every few weeks. I'm sure if you took a couple of weekends off you would notice that you may start to feel a lot better, and your next roll would be better to.

Of course there have been times that we did not take it - for me the length of a pregnancy just recently or weekends during which we flew up north to visit relatives etc. We wouldn't dare take drugs on planes or look for stuff while we are out of town. But, for the most part, every week. Yes, I have noticed that one pill often is not enough to make me feel very good and I have to add a few hits of the green in order to feel better...other than that we have not ever taken more than one or one and a half in one night.
 
Rated E said:
^^ Ah ok. I read that sort of thing alot on this site. People taking e every week for extended periods of time, yet still rolling off 1 to 1.5 pills. I would have thought a tolerance would have been built faster. I've done e 13 times, and i usually do 2 pills in a night. I can roll off one if its a good pill, but i usually redose with another half or whole pill about an hour later. Anyways, i was just wondering how its possible that you can still roll off one pill after 6 years of regular use.
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Maybe the reason for that IS that we always only take one? Of course occasionally we have taken another half through the course of an evening but I would say 98% of the time we only take one each,per evening.%)
 
E is alot worse for your brain than meth, MDMA(3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine)Its made with meth, thats were you get the Euphoria from, the MD releases Dopamine and adds other effects and to the euphoria. Overheating and Drinking too much water you have to worry about with any amphetamine, but E espicially.

But E is alot less addictive due to price, tolerence, and negative effects.

Personaly I love E and am not gunna touch meth again(Social reasons mainly, And im not that responsible when it comes to uppers.), It gives me the effect i wont from a psych and mad love instead of mad ego which can eventually make you psychotic, nervous and insecure with yourself. I feel like evertime i roll i become a better person :P.

I'm not a professional on this. so if im wrong about anything please correct me.
 
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MikecMikec said:
E is alot worse for your brain than meth, MDMA(3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine)Its made with meth, thats were you get the Euphoria from, the MD releases Dopamine and adds other effects and to the euphoria. Overheating and Drinking too much water you have to worry about with any amphetamine, but E espicially.

But E is alot less addictive due to price, tolerence, and negative effects.

Personaly I love E and am not gunna touch meth again(Social reasons mainly, And im not that responsible when it comes to uppers.), It gives me the effect i wont from a psych and mad love instead of mad ego which can eventually make you psychotic, nervous and insecure with yourself. I feel like evertime i roll i become a better person :P.

I'm not a professional on this. so if im wrong about anything please correct me.
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Do a search before you throw out random "facts"

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq.shtml#chemintro

You would obviously want to check out the chemistry section specifically.
 
MikecMikec said:
E is alot worse for your brain than meth, MDMA(3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine)Its made with meth, thats were you get the Euphoria from, the MD releases Dopamine and adds other effects and to the euphoria. Overheating and Drinking too much water you have to worry about with any amphetamine, but E espicially.

But E is alot less addictive due to price, tolerence, and negative effects.

Personaly I love E and am not gunna touch meth again(Social reasons mainly, And im not that responsible when it comes to uppers.), It gives me the effect i wont from a psych and mad love instead of mad ego which can eventually make you psychotic, nervous and insecure with yourself. I feel like evertime i roll i become a better person :P.

I'm not a professional on this. so if im wrong about anything please correct me.
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Have you even been reading this thread? Ectract from before.

Damage to serotonin (5-HT) terminals following doses of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) is well documented, and this toxicity is thought to be related to dopamine release that is potentiated by the 5-HT(2A/2C) agonist effects of the drug [Neurotoxicology 19 (3) (199 427]. Although MDMA and methamphetamine (METH) have some similar dopaminergic activities, they differ in their 5-HT agonistic properties. It is reasoned that the study of the resultant toxicity following equimolar doses of MDMA and METH on both dopamine and 5-HT terminals should offer a comparison of the ability of these drugs to induce neurotoxicity. In order to measure the toxic effects to the brain, rats were given equimolar doses of MDMA (40mg/kg/day) and METH (32mg/kg/day) in subcutaneously implanted osmotic minipumps for a period of 5 days, and in-vitro autoradiography using [ [Formula: see text] ]-paroxetine, [ [Formula: see text] ]-mazindol, [ [Formula: see text] ]-methylspiperone, and [ [Formula: see text] ]-flunitrazepam, was performed on brain sections. The results showed that METH was more toxic to 5-HT terminals than MDMA in forebrain regions, including the anterior cingulate, caudate nucleus, nucleus accumbens, and septum. METH was also more toxic than MDMA to dopamine terminals in the habenula, and posterior retrosplenial cortex. Therefore, we find that METH was more toxic to 5-HT and dopamine terminals in specific brain regions in both pre and post-synaptic sites following continuous equimolar dosing.
Source : http://amphetamines.com/methamphetamine/methxdop.html
 
Boiling in Acid said:
or israel :)
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Or Europe. Hell, speed is so rough on your head and body(paranoia, other psychotic behaviour, no sleep), I can't imagine what methamphetamine would bring out in a person. It kind of frightens me if I think of it as a longer and more intense version of amphetamine.
 
MikecMikec said:
E is alot worse for your brain than meth, MDMA(3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine)Its made with meth, thats were you get the Euphoria from, the MD releases Dopamine and adds other effects and to the euphoria. Overheating and Drinking too much water you have to worry about with any amphetamine, but E espicially.

But E is alot less addictive due to price, tolerence, and negative effects.

I'm not a professional on this. so if im wrong about anything please correct me.
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OK you're wrong about pretty much everything. I think E is not as addictive because it works a lot less on dopamine, the most addictive drugs work on dopamine(coke, speed) and not on serotonin(psychedelics).

Because there's (meth)amphetamine in the structure doesn't imply anything. Many drugs have amphetamine in the structure, without even being stimulating(morphine). Hell, MDMA is barely a stimulant in my book. If I'm tired and take it I'll still be rather tired. It's only when you take enough it'll become stimulating, maybe due to MDA conversion. But you can get some sort of energy from the pure euphoria, too.

E doesn't cost a lot here, tolerance is not much different than with speed in contrary to what most believe(you also loose the magic and tolerance gets HUGE to the point of falling asleep 2 hours after snorting speed) and negative effects are different but not worse than with speed IMO. Most speedheads I know are psycho's and a few of them had to be given antipsychotics due to totally loosing it. Tolerance also lasts ages like with MDMA, and comes back immediately.
 
djshibbs said:
yeah i live in the portland, oregon area.... we pretty much have one of the worst meth problems in the country.... sooooo many tweakers....


yeah ecstasy is way better than meth.... people are just stupid :)
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Yeah, my girlfriend lives in Bozeman, MT and I guess, from what she says, Billings, MT is the meth capitol of the world.

And IMO, if you just want to have fun pass of the meth, just stick with rolls. MDMA is capable of giving you insight and epiphanies that can have positive effect in the long run. The only thing meth does in the long run is take a part of you once the dependency is established. Crystal does not fuck around with that either....it get's right to the point and most people develope a 'tendency' they can't recognize for what it is until it's too late.
 
meth seems like something that could be used for a longer perios of time, sustaining a good high, while mdma after a few doses just starts to make you feel yucky. Hence, you could do meth all the time, but not mdma really.
 
^^ Quantity not quality aye?

Yea your right, why bother with ecstasy if you cant be high on it 24/7.
 
well, actually I've never done meth alone...but I've done e about 5-600 times......

i was just commenting that they're kind of different worlds.
 
I've not tried meth, but I can say this about recreational amph use.
I thought it would be less harmfull than MDMA if used frequently (weekly) well this is BS. horrible anxiety, paranoia and demotivation became part of me.

There was a depression too, different than with MDMA but a lot worse IMO. Or maybe I never experienced a fullblown MDMA depression.
 
^ sounds like me. a five year adderall prescription has left me feeling "dead" without some form of upper or opiate
 
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