Ecstasy use 'link' to depression

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Heavy ecstasy use is linked to an increase in depressive symptoms in some people, a study suggests.
A Cambridge University team studied 124 people and found those with a certain genetic make-up showed greater signs of depression after using the drug.

The scientists, writing in the American Journal of Psychiatry, said it could show how vulnerable ecstasy users are to long-term psychiatric problems.

Up to two million ecstasy tablets are taken in England each week.

The researchers said heavy users, such as the people they studied, would probably be using ecstasy every week.

Previous studies have suggested ecstasy users may experience an unpleasant lowering of mood for up to three days after taking the drug.

There have also been suggestions that ecstasy can cause episodes of severe depression.

Depression measure

Ecstasy is known to affect serotonin, a key brain chemical in the regulation of mood and emotion

The Cambridge team looked at 66 ecstasy users, 30 cannabis users and 28 healthy volunteers who had not used any drug.

They looked at the gene which controls serotonin transporters in the brain.

Everybody has two copies of each gene, and there are two possible versions which people can carry, so they can either be classed as ll, ls or ss.

They also used a recognised depression measurement scale to assess people, and carried out an emotion recognition computer test, - where people are asked to respond rapidly to happy or sad words.

Some 60% of people who had the ss version were assessed as having at least mild depression. They were also less likely to give the expected response in the emotional processing test.

Non-drug users with the ss type displayed no such problems.

And no differences were seen among cannabis users who belonged to the different genetic groups.

Dr Jonathan Roiser, now based at the US National Institutes of Mental Health in Bethesda, told the BBC News Website: "There is evidence here that ecstasy use can result in depression in some vulnerable people.

He said people were unlikely to know what genotype they were, and therefore if they were at high risk.

But he added: "There is some evidence that people with the ss genotype have more family members who are depressed.

"People with the ss type have also been associated with depression in response to stressful life events, such as losing a family member or a job.

"It may be that ecstasy is another type of stressors, albeit one which has a more direct effect on the brain."

And he said that, while the research had looked at heavy users: "if people who are casual users have that kind of family history, they should think twice about continuing to take ecstasy."

Professor John Henry, a clinical toxicologist at Imperial College, said: "This report shows that ecstasy use produces long term brain changes.

"This is the first study to pick out a distinct subgroup of ecstasy users who have changes in brain function after using the drug."

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Ecstasy use 'link' to depression

Friday, 4 March, 2005

From BBC News
 
Ive always known I was prone to depression, and I had read many things on ecstasy and how it can make you depressed the day after. And its just a really emotional drug anyways which isnt something depressed people should be taking. Thats what has always stoped me from trying it, I have done just about everything else out there except E for the reason of depression.
 
really! taking ecstacy every fucking week will have a toll on your emotional state! get the hell outta here.

Did they really even need to do this study? im pretty sure from the getgo they were going to skew the results to confirm their hypothesis (not that i think they need to). were they thinking maybe they could dispell the notion that taking ecstacy week will make you more depressed? i doubt it

here's another study - do children like eating candy?
 
bowdenta said:
really! taking ecstacy every fucking week will have a toll on your emotional state! get the hell outta here.

Did they really even need to do this study? im pretty sure from the getgo they were going to skew the results to confirm their hypothesis (not that i think they need to). were they thinking maybe they could dispell the notion that taking ecstacy week will make you more depressed? i doubt it

here's another study - do children like eating candy?


HAHAHA Right on!!=D
 
Crazeee said:
Heavy ecstasy use is linked to an increase in depressive symptoms in some people, a study suggests.

The researchers said heavy users, such as the people they studied, would probably be using ecstasy every week.

No shit? I thought it was because I was gassy?

Professor John Henry, a clinical toxicologist at Imperial College, said: "This report shows that ecstasy use produces long term brain changes.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something - how does this article state there are LONG-TERM brain changes?!?!

The only mention of a time range was "depressed for up to 3 days" That's long-term?

If anything it shows:

a) some people may be more adversely affected by MDMA.
(I think that's a given, just as for any drug use genetics will play a part)

b) people who do WAY too much MDMA can be depressed?
 
It took the prestigious Cambridge University and a team of frat boy schmucks using the scientific method to come to this brilliant deduction?
 
bowdenta said:
really! taking ecstacy every fucking week will have a toll on your emotional state! get the hell outta here.

Did they really even need to do this study? im pretty sure from the getgo they were going to skew the results to confirm their hypothesis (not that i think they need to). were they thinking maybe they could dispell the notion that taking ecstacy week will make you more depressed? i doubt it

here's another study - do children like eating candy?

Okay, ... so lets not do studies to find out the obvious, but rather lets just have an assume it. Let's not take the time to clinically document findings, but just type it down in text books as "common sense." Lets give up all obvious research cause ITS A WASTE FUCKING TIME TO CLINICALLY UNDERSTAND THE MECHANISMS WHICH RESULT IN EFFECTS AND LIMIT OUR KNOWLEDGE FURTHER TO JUST "COMMON SENSE."

And lets not find out why children like eating candy, then we won't know how to stop unhealthy eating habits in America.

*Sarcasm*

Honestly, ... they do these studies for a reason, not because they're bored.
 
Whether or not it's a bias study, I don't know, and neither could all of you because you don't know the minor details and specifics of it. Maybe it is, but I hope not.
 
Re: Re: Ecstasy use 'link' to depression

lifeisforliving said:


I'm sorry, I must have missed something - how does this article state there are LONG-TERM brain changes?!?!


This article does not state there are long term brain damages, the REPORT from the study did. :) And you and I can't know whether the conclusions of long-term brain damage is accurate unless you and I do a heavy investigation into ALL the properties of how this study was admnistered and conducted, and read the full report (if these things are ever made public) and I don't think you're going to take the time.
 
Further more, it seems like there is a natural and inherent bias for the people on bluelight to immediately ridicule and disprove articles like this. A healthy amount of cynacism regarding these articles great because a lot of these studies are indeed really conducted in a manner which doesnt produce objective findings, but don't go activelly looking for something to pick apart to soothe your ego about how much ecstacy you've dropped.
 
This study is rediculous. On the one hand, everyone already knows that HEAVY ecstasy use will make u depressed. What else could possibly be the result of repeatedly releasing all your brain's stored-up serontin, the neurotransmitter responsible for regulating mood? On the other hand, the study (as far as I understand it) doesn't even prove this obvious fact, because proving that ecstasy use is correlated with depression says nothing as to causality. It could be just as well that people who are already very depressed then abuse ecstasy as a form of self-medication.
 
Edvard Munch
Further more, it seems like there is a natural and inherent bias for the people on bluelight to immediately ridicule and disprove articles like this. A healthy amount of cynacism regarding these articles great because a lot of these studies are indeed really conducted in a manner which doesnt produce objective findings, but don't go activelly looking for something to pick apart to soothe your ego about how much ecstacy you've dropped.

Edvard, have you read the majority of the report papers that have been on Bluelight over the past year?

There are MANY MANY BETTER studies and articles that show quite a bit more information about MDMA in general. MDMA is not without it's risks - OF COURSE - Isn't that why Bluelight is here? My concern with this article is that the UNDERLYING study about different genetic predispositions to depression is INTERESTING - but they CANNOT make the CONCLUSIONS and ASS-umptions they did from the study data.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something - how does this article state there are LONG-TERM brain changes?!?!


This article does not state there are long term brain damages, the REPORT from the study did. And you and I can't know whether the conclusions of long-term brain damage is accurate unless you and I do a heavy investigation into ALL the properties of how this study was admnistered and conducted, and read the full report (if these things are ever made public) and I don't think you're going to take the time.

In the article:
Professor John Henry, a clinical toxicologist at Imperial College, said: "This report shows that ecstasy use produces long term brain changes.

So you are comfortable with some unknown professor making assumtions in an ARTICLE without even mentioning the data that supports his conclusions? It's is ESPECIALLY poor for him to do so in such a contested area of research.

Edvard Munch Whether or not it's a bias study, I don't know, and neither could all of you because you don't know the minor details and specifics of it. Maybe it is, but I hope not.

True. But the study was mainly on the search for genetic predisposition to depression?
 
Edward Munch is totally right, a lot of you guys are being biased and stupid about this. Dont always assume the scientific community is out to get you, and MDMA in general. Sure there have been a lot of very biased investigations through the years, but this one actually raises a very interesting point. Its a well known fact that some people react worse then others to the secondary effects of MDMA, the hangover, suicide tuesdays, depression... Whatever youd like to call it. This report offers a genetic explanation to this variation. That is a new line of investigation (at least for me) and a lot better then earlier investigators claiming "Ecstasy causes depression!" (always), or even "1 pill will cause brain damage"...
 
Edward Munch is totally right, a lot of you guys are being biased and stupid about this

Is this a comment on my reply, or to BL'ers in general?

Dont always assume the scientific community is out to get you, and MDMA in general.

The scientific community is neither for nor against MDMA, they are scientists who SHOULD conduct good clinical studies - and not make blanket statements.

Sure there have been a lot of very biased investigations through the years, but this one actually raises a very interesting point.

Totally, I agree. It gives more validity to people's various responses to MDMA - and through that has opened a window on one of the possible causes of regular depression (non-drug induced).



Professor John Henry, a clinical toxicologist at Imperial College, said: "This report shows that ecstasy use produces long term brain changes.

And when people give quotes like that to an article, they do no service to the scientific community.
 
Professor John Henry, a clinical toxicologist at Imperial College, said: "This report shows that ecstasy use produces long term brain changes.

And when people give quotes like that to an article, they do no service to the scientific community.

Sure he expresses himself clumsily there. Maybe got taken out of its context, or maybe hes biased. But also note the distinction, nowadays they speak of brain CHANGES, whereas a couple of years ago surely they would have utilised the word DAMAGE.
 
I took part in this study. The problen is entirely with the shitty reporting in that article - it was really quite a good study - there were control groups for cannabis only and poly-drug users, as well as non drug users. The interesting finding was that the extent to which people are susceptible to MDMA neurotoxicity is largely genetically determined.

I don't think the guy quoted was the one that actually did the research, he's the dude that oversees the whole project (which has a wider focus than just MDMA)
 
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