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MagickalKat777 said:
a-MT isn't by any means "safe" though, since it is a research chemical.
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AMT is a strange bird. There are some proven safety factors as it has been used as an antidepressant in Russia since the mid-1960s (and is currently still prescribed).

I've tried it a few times, but it made me feel rather ill. But nothing near as bad as "Foxy!" 8o
 
AznRaver said:
people complain of foxy cuz they use too much! keep it between 8-12mg, and you'll be feeling foxy!
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That has to be one of the most absurb statements that I have seen in a long time... Foxy is a painful drug, at any dose. At least for myself and everyone who I've shared it with. I took 4mg and actually had more of a bodyload than I did at 12mg!
 
Brian Oblivion said:
AMT is a strange bird. There are some proven safety factors as it has been used as an antidepressant in Russia since the mid-1960s (and is currently still prescribed).

I've tried it a few times, but it made me feel rather ill. But nothing near as bad as "Foxy!" 8o
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Agreed on all counts. However, a-MT only made me ill two of the god knows how many times I took it, and I also found that the anti-depressant effect lasted about a month and a half for me, and I'm bipolar!
 
Brian Oblivion said:
AMT is a strange bird. There are some proven safety factors as it has been used as an antidepressant in Russia since the mid-1960s (and is currently still prescribed).
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Do you have proof of this?

If its still approved as an antidepressant in Russia, there may be legal grounds for importing for your own personal use, which is something that I would be EXTREMELY happy about!
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Brian Oblivion said:
AMT is a strange bird. There are some proven safety factors as it has been used as an antidepressant in Russia since the mid-1960s (and is currently still prescribed).
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Do you have proof of this?

If its still approved as an antidepressant in Russia, there may be legal grounds for importing for your own personal use, which is something that I would be EXTREMELY happy about!
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You should have asked this question before "Brian Oblivion" got ticked at someone at BL and quit.

Anyway, the only references that I now have (had) are from a Ukrainian web site located at the University of Kiev. And it is (or was) in Russian. It's commercial name is "Indopan." Here is a good place to start what amounts to the equivalent of an archaeological dig:
http://groups.google.com/[email protected]#link5

And here is a reference to the post with the web site link (and partial translation):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...023d.0209182222.74e2c4b3%40posting.google.com


At one time, I had a few contacts at Moscow Medical Academy (MMA) at Moscow University, who could have helped track this down. But, that was quite some time ago, and I wouldn't know where to start to find them now.


Anyway, I'm afraid that trying to get anything useful today will require both a working knowledge of Russian, and a knack for searching through publications within the Russian medical community. To complicate matters, there is an Indian pharmaceutical company (Panacea Biotec, Ltd.) who produces an analgesic called Indomethacin (and goes by the nickname of "Indopan") which is being sold to the pharmaceutics industry in the former Soviet Union. So if you go searching, be careful that you don't get the two confused. (see: http://www.psychiatry.ru/library/preparations/show_preparation.php4?textsearch=&id=83)

In terms of importing Indopan for use as an antidepressant, there are no provisions in US law which allows for Schedule I drugs to be used within the US without a DEA license (even if there is a proven medical use for the drug elsewhere).

Sorry that I don't have any good reference material for you. There is virtually nothing available in the American litature on this, and finding anything in the Russian archives is difficult because Indopan (AMT) has been surplanted by more contemporary treatments such as SSRIs.
 
AznRaver said:
people complain of foxy cuz they use too much! keep it between 8-12mg, and you'll be feeling foxy!
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Everyone reacts differently to these drugs. Staying within a 8-12mg for 5MEO-DiPT is not going to guarantee that all people will not feel ill.
 
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Anyway, I'm afraid that trying to get anything useful today will require both a working knowledge of Russian, and a knack for searching through publications within the Russian medical community. To complicate matters, there is an Indian pharmaceutical company (Panacea Biotec, Ltd.) who produces an analgesic called Indomethacin (and goes by the nickname of "Indopan") which is being sold to the pharmaceutics industry in the former Soviet Union. So if you go searching, be careful that you don't get the two confused. (see: http://www.psychiatry.ru/library/preparations/show_preparation.php4?textsearch=&id=83)[/B]
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I was just going through my posts, and I realized that I didn't include the translation for the Russian medical reference. I'm really sorry, it's pretty useless otherwise. :(

Here is the translation of the above link:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...how_preparation.php4?textsearch=Indopan&id=83

The translation is done with Babel Fish, but their Russian to English translator has improved to an incredible degree ovr the past several years. And is now capable of translating technical and scientific documents.

Anyway, Indopan is the trade name for AMT, and was first available in the Soviet Union in the early to mid 1960's. To the best of my knowledge it is still available for prescription in the Russian Federation. But I doubt that it is used much because of the availability of more contemporary antidepressant medications.
 
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