Ecstasy 'safer' than binge drinking

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Young Queenslanders would be safer if they swore off binge drinking and instead consumed a small amount of ecstasy, a prominent researcher at Queensland's Alcohol and Drug Research Centre (QADREC) says.

In the wake of new data which shows more young Queenslanders are switching to ecstasy following the Rudd Government's 70 per cent tax hike on alcopops, QADREC director Professor Jake Najman said ecstasy was actually a "lesser evil" than binge drinking.

However, the statement brought a stinging rebuke from another researcher, who cited the 1995 death of Sydney schoolgirl Anna Wood after she took an ecstasy pill at a dance party.

Professor Najman, who has a PhD in Social Epidemiology and a Bachelor's degree (Hons) in Medical Sociology, said ecstasy was "relatively benign if taken in small quantities".

"When young people switch from a substantial amount of alcohol to a small amount of ecstasy ... I don't think that's a bad trade at all," Professor Najman said.

"It is not likely that one pill on a Saturday night poses the same dangers as frequent binge drinking."

Illicit drug use is associated with around 1000 deaths per year in Australia. However, Professor Najman said ecstasy was actually "cheaper and safer" for young people than excessive amounts of alcohol.

"Even drug-related problems, including psychotic episodes and violent behaviour are not seen with ecstasy, as they are with amphetamines and alcohol," he said.

Professor Najman's comments drew scorn from University of Adelaide PhD student Emily Jaehne, who said ecstasy was often laced with potentially lethal substances such as the nerve-numbing horse tranquilliser ketamine, morphine, anti-anxiety medication and a substance used to treat dogs and cats for incontinence.

Ms Jaehne said MDMA, ecstasy's major chemical component, increased body temperature by up to five degrees.

"When taken at hot nightclubs or rave parties the heightened effects could lead to severe brain damage or death," Ms Jaehne said.

She said it was crucial people were made more aware of the "grave" dangers associated with the pills, and "not misguided by ridiculous information".

Anna Wood died after taking ecstasy and dehydrating so badly that she drank water until her kidneys shut down and her brain swelled. She was found vomiting in a toilet, taken to a home and put to bed before eventually being taken to hospital the next morning. She never regained consciousness.

Annabel Catt, 20, died in February last year after going to a dance party and taking what she thought was ecstasy. It actually turned out to be the deadly drug PMA.

Anecdotal evidence suggesting young Australians have now discovered the benefits of buying ecstasy pills in bulk, has strengthened criticism of the Rudd Government's alcopop tax hike.

Distilled Spirits Industry Council of Australia research manager Stephen Riden said recent data made a mockery of the Government's stated aim.

"The words 'abject failure' would spring to mind," Mr Riden said.

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Ecstasy 'safer' than binge drinking
Marissa Calligeros | September 2, 2008 - 8:37AM

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2008/09/02/1220121176645.html
 
i think you could go as far as saying any drug is safer then binge drinking, however binge Extacy??? effects are not going to be of the biological equivalent. but i think the point is that over indulging in any drug legal or not will have bad results.

Education and moderation is they key i believe, if you choose this life style
 
jayslapmc said:
i think you could go as far as saying any drug is safer then binge drinking, however binge Extacy??? effects are not going to be of the biological equivalent. but i think the point is that over indulging in any drug legal or not will have bad results.

Education and moderation is they key i believe, if you choose this life style

exactly. taking a small amount of one drug is almost always safer than taking a huge amount of another.
 
Stephen Riden said:
Distilled Spirits Industry Council of Australia research manager Stephen Riden said recent data made a mockery of the Government's stated aim.

Yeah! Goddamn data and facts getting in the way of the Government's agenda! For shame.
 
I guess not but I wonder if these people read any information from the 'real' world (here, erowid and such)

they would soon realize much they speak is myth.. morphine in pills and such..

How the hell do people publish what these ignorants say xP
 
However, the statement brought a stinging rebuke from another researcher, who cited the 1995 death of Sydney schoolgirl Anna Wood after she took an ecstasy pill at a dance party.
So, one single person died from an "Ecstasty" pressie (not necessarily MDMA) because she drank 25L of water, hence it follows that MDMA is extremely dangerous and will probably kill you... 8) Of course, we all know that no one has ever died from drinking alcohol before. ;)
 
This study is ridiculous. So suppose we take this as fact and decide to take one tablet of pure MDMA every saturday. Assuming these are sub par dosages at only 80 MG I would hate to see the cognative impairment and emotion problems after only a year or two. Lets not forget that you might roll moderately for the first few monthes but soon those low to medium doses will do jack shit because of tolerance. The fact is that E is no alternative to alcohol.

A more reasonable alternative would be a weaker opiate such as hydrocodone which often stablizes tolerance at ~50 mg in most users. No brain damage, no risk of HPPD or amphetamine psychosis (which MDMA can in fact cause), no horrid semi permanent amp tolerance, etc.

Of course there are many many drugs that are far less harmfull than alcohol, but MDMA is no among them.
 
From my own awareness of my body, I'd say E and Alcohol are both pretty damaging. I feel worse after a day of drinking than I would after rolling. Neither should be used in excess. DUH! :)
 
This article reeks of ignorance.

First of all no one who is a binge drinker is going to be happy swapping their drinking habbit for useing E rarely at a small dose. People looking for that canstant high are going to go overboard, and ecstasy is NOT the drug for people like that.
laced with potentially lethal substances such as ....morphine.....
Bullshit. This just makes it more obvious these people are reading their information off of some government report somewhere and have no grasp on what the real world situation is actually like.

Its true moderate E use is safer than binge drinking, but then again moderate use of almost anything is safer than binge drinking.
 
E-llusion said:
Professor Najman's comments drew scorn from University of Adelaide PhD student Emily Jaehne, who said ecstasy was often laced with potentially lethal substances such as the nerve-numbing horse tranquilliser ketamine, morphine, anti-anxiety medication and a substance used to treat dogs and cats for incontinence.

She said it was crucial people were made more aware of the "grave" dangers associated with the pills, and "not misguided by ridiculous information".

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Okay, this woman is clearly quite uneducated as to what the facts actually are. KETAMINE IS NOT A HORSE TRANQUILIZER; it is a dissociative anesthetic in the same family as PCP and Nitrous Oxide. Ketamine is quite safe and still used in a medical context on children and in emergency situations with patients with unknown allergies.

+And in response to the "Anna Wood" story about never re-gaining consciousness, I bet I could find at least three stories of binge drinking that resulted in death on university campuses all over to match every story they have of someone dying from ecstasy.

//The main problem with ecstasy that comes in a press-pill is that it could potentially contain anything. That problem with that is not necessarily whether or not a safety profile for these drugs that are contained within it, but how to effectively measure a dose.
 
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-neptune- said:
Okay, this woman is clearly quite uneducated as to what the facts actually are. KETAMINE IS NOT A HORSE TRANQUILIZER; it is a dissociative anesthetic in the same family as PCP and Nitrous Oxide. Ketamine is quite safe and still used in a medical context on children and in emergency situations with patients with unknown allergies.

It actually turns them into superhorses:
"Ketamine effects on horses, which were applied by the US army in Arizona during the 1980s proved ketamine provided horses with the faculty to jump notably higher than when they were not under the influence of ketamine. Thus, being a response of stimulant effects."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

I'm kind of dubious of this wiki entry though...
 
Yeha, the people who BINGE drink ridiculous amounts of alcohol on weekends shouldn't be given an alternative such as ecstasy lol. If they abuse alcohol in such a way, they'll do the same with ecstasy.

But i knew as soon as i saw this article.. some dumb cunt would bring up the 'Anna wood' case as a rebuttal.
 
theWorldWithin said:
This study is ridiculous. So suppose we take this as fact and decide to take one tablet of pure MDMA every saturday. Assuming these are sub par dosages at only 80 MG I would hate to see the cognative impairment and emotion problems after only a year or two.

I totally agree, whilst MDMA used occasionally (3-4 times a year) in relatively pure forms generally provides no harm using every weekend would be a recipe for trouble.

As said, whilst alcohol is dangerous the fact is you can get away with drinking every weekend (not drinwith minimal issues. The same cannot be said for MDMA.
 
Finally they are coming to their sense although I do not think it is going to change the legal status of ecstasy in Australia for a long time yet...

Once they start to do research on the drug with test subjects I think that will be a great day in Australian history. IMO alcohol is a very dangerous drug look at all the problems it has caused in the past.. You don't get into fights over stupid things from ecstasy where as you do from alcohol.

They are right that ecstasy is dangerous but only because it is usually laced with things, if the government controlled the production of the drug I don't think it would be as dangerous then and people would be much more aware of HM as well because I'm sure the government would do campaigns to educate people. Where would BL be then...? In the top of their books that's where and this place would probably be funded by the government then.

I don't see any of that happening for a long long time though if ever...
 
This chicks comments that have been reported do present her in a rather negative light, but she is involved in some interesting research into the use of ecstasy in Adelaide, and not everything she has had to say about ecstasy has been bad.

As has already been noted, I think a clear distinction should be made here between what people generally regard as ecstasy (being 'pills') and MDMA. Not everybody who thinks they use ecstasy are as well informed and knowledgeable about what they are taking into their bodies as many of the people on this forum - particularly those who read Drugs in the Media.

The article is clearly ridiculous, however.

Peace out
 
"and a substance used to treat dogs and cats for incontinence."

Does this explain why sometimes when rolling you can't take a piss?
Is there any truth to the BS this Phd chick is claiming?
 
:d

it was pretty funny last night on the radio, triple m, the spoonman was discussing this.
it was great, youd hear the people who had cleary taken MDMA before and they were telling of how theres a reason its called the 'love drug'
then there were the drunk morons saying e is a terrible and unsafe drug, ive never tried it but its unsafe. hahahahha. go back to your jim beam buddy.
 
However, the statement brought a stinging rebuke from another researcher, who cited the 1995 death of Sydney schoolgirl Anna Wood after she took an ecstasy pill at a dance party.

Massive facepalm.

Way to go anecdotal evidence. Must be a PHD in lit studies.
 
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