Another phenomenal video from this channel. If you haven't watched this youtube channel, you're missing out. He makes videos on a very wide range of topics, typically from a philosophical or psychological perspective. Very intelligent, calm, introspective analysis on various topics.
Echo Chambers
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Shameless bump.... nobody wants to talk about echo chambers? The video is generally politically neutral, despite the thumbnail...
"As well trodden as this subject may seem, we have a fundamental misunderstanding of echo chambers. Media literacy will be an important piece of this puzzle, as well a third point, one more extraordinary; in which the true aggressors seem to go unaccused."
"As well trodden as this subject may seem, we have a fundamental misunderstanding of echo chambers. Media literacy will be an important piece of this puzzle, as well a third point, one more extraordinary; in which the true aggressors seem to go unaccused."
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I've watched a few of his videos in this past. Unfortunately I can't sit through them, it's just too waffle for my taste, which is shame because it's so hard to find content these days that has this normal pacing to it without obnoxiousness or any of the other bullshit tactics content creators use. I wish there were more channels with this sort of, well, human touch again.. sorely missing in the current era.
Can you give a summary of it, or pose some questions about it?
Can you give a summary of it, or pose some questions about it?
atara
Bluelighter
I think that "omitting contrary views" as people often describe "echo chambers" or "epistemic bubbles" (mentioned around 3:30 in the video), this "omission" is really only half of the problem. In fact, within any ideologically slanted discussion group, there is often plenty of discussion of opposing views. It is very common for people in a pro-skub forum to post what they claim are examples of anti-skub thinking.
The problem is, the pro-skub forum will end up focusing on and overanalyzing the most extreme, poorly argued, misinformed and generally ridiculous versions of anti-skub viewpoints. Supposed smoking guns that prove the depravity of the anti-skub faction will be screenshotted, stickied, and memed to death on the pro-skub forum. This results from the simple desire to entertain others and fit in by finding examples of the enemy behaving badly, so the more enterprising pro-skub users will hate-read anti-skub forums looking for the worst things they can find to use as ragebait.
The anti-skub forum and its members, meanwhile, are doing the exact same thing in reverse. The result is that people do "engage", and quite frequently, with the opposing viewpoint, but only with the stupidest version of that viewpoint. This does not lead to understanding.
Also, here's a YouTuber who made a long video talking about how videos are too long. Best watched at 2x speed.
The problem is, the pro-skub forum will end up focusing on and overanalyzing the most extreme, poorly argued, misinformed and generally ridiculous versions of anti-skub viewpoints. Supposed smoking guns that prove the depravity of the anti-skub faction will be screenshotted, stickied, and memed to death on the pro-skub forum. This results from the simple desire to entertain others and fit in by finding examples of the enemy behaving badly, so the more enterprising pro-skub users will hate-read anti-skub forums looking for the worst things they can find to use as ragebait.
The anti-skub forum and its members, meanwhile, are doing the exact same thing in reverse. The result is that people do "engage", and quite frequently, with the opposing viewpoint, but only with the stupidest version of that viewpoint. This does not lead to understanding.
Also, here's a YouTuber who made a long video talking about how videos are too long. Best watched at 2x speed.
It defines the distinction and confusion between "epistemic bubbles", which is more of a classic pre-internet type of group thinking and tribalistic politicking, and true echo chambers, which is a modern sociological phenomenon born of the internet... such as most of the political discourse you see now on reddit, or facebook, etc.
It goes over how one might actually identify if they are inside an echo chamber. It goes over how we, as humans, require to get our information from outside sources. It goes over how our information sources are corrupted.
It's incredibly educational and thought provoking. I encourage you to actually watch it.
I'm not gonna sum up the entire video, but the pace certainly quickens after the first few minutes.
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Fair enough. I'm sure it's probably useful content for people, and it's good that it's encouraging a bit of thinking as opposed to just mindless consumption. His material just doesn't tickle my fancy though, I need something with more substance to it.. I'm just a cynical fuck, I can't do poetic waxing about stuff unless it's really touching on something I consider highly relevant e.g. Terence McKenna's dialogues.
mal3volent
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Two free thinking feminists discuss the dangers of political tribalism:
I love Ana Kasparian. She's intelligent and thinks about politics the same way I do.
Intelligent objective analysis is more important than anything else when considering political ideas.