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Eating Meat?

i gave a theoretical example to explain my position and you tried to use it as an anti-argument by giving a wrong interpretation of what its generalization would have implied
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Yes, and my theoretic example, which came from your statement about "rather starve than eat meat", not "rather eat vegetables than eat meat" was my point. Yes, the option to eat vegetables instead of meat is a scenario, but I was specifically referring to your point of "starve than eat meat."

if "everyone had that point of view", mankind could still have evolved, into a slightly different (vegetarian) species
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No, because eating anyting other than meat wasn't mentioned. It was eat meat or starve.

i don't advocate testing on humans either. i just mention it to show the hypocrisy of testing on another species to benefit your own
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There isn't any hypocracy here. At this point people will simply not allow human testing (at least beginning stage) and stem cell research is still a ways off. Our choices are limited at the moment and I don't think the public will approve of the scientific community just sitting around until other options become available. It's easy to say when you're perfectly healthy, but when people do get sick, cancer for example, they're going to demand alternate treatments and research when they find themself in such dire situations.
 
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vegan said:


just think of an elephant, a bull or a gorilla. obviously they're full of protein
and they get it from plants

also, our metabolism can adapt to our needs or contraints
if we stopped eating meat, our metabolism probably would lose its properties allowing it to digest meat and would perfects itself as a herbivorous metabolism
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actually... gorillas(and others apes) have been known to eat meat (i am including all forms of animal flesh, be it insect, bird or other creature)...

and why should we limit our body in what it can gain nutrition out of? thats one of the neat things that allowed us humans to get where we are... we can eat almost anything, be it plant or animal... this feature is one of the factors that helped fuel our evolution in the first place...
 
vegan said:
a nice fruit is appetizing without preparation
a corpse is only appetizing after cooking it, putting salt or spices and a lot of cultural conditioning
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Sushi?

Also good meat dont need no salt or spices!
 
sexyanon2 said:
^^^

Is that talking about the fast food meats? Or the meats from the natural grocery stores that are "all natural" as well?

Although that's another reason to stay clear of meat now a days. However, is the subject of this thread about current meat? or meat in general?
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The study is only talking about processed meats.

According to lead study author Ute Nothlings, people who consumed the most processed meats (hot dogs and sausage) showed a 6700% increased risk of pancreatic cancer over those who consumed little or no meat products.
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Who has actually made the decision for each and every one of us that animals are not for us to eat?

PETS wants Hamburg, NY to change its name to Veggieburg. I don't think PETA is qualified to make decisions for anyone. They are just like the ACLU, they're so ridiculously extreme left wing, they make you embarrassed to be even slightly liberal.
 
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^^Not me. I eat wholesale slaughter house every single day. Studies have shown that intelligence comes from the quantity of protein left over from your diet. I would think that would clue some people in on who the pack animals are, and the who the intelligent leaders are. Then again, the smart ones will eventually need a higher grade of protein when they evolve again.


/delusional posting.
 
sorry, DJDannyUhOh, you seem as bad at reading/listening to other's opinions, as you are at interpreting whatever it is the media is broadcasting. please man, get your facts straight! yeah yeah i know, it's us, ahem, the evil vegans (and now those twisted human rights activists, too!!) that aggravate you to begin with, making you act this way and post nonsense...

source :http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsItem.asp?id=2805
Hamburg, N.Y. — Wearing nothing but strategically placed lettuce leaves and waving a sign reading, "Welcome to Veggieburg! GoVeg.com," PETA’s newest Lettuce Lady, Danish-born "Penthouse Pet" Kira Eggers will hand out free veggie burgers to Hamburg’s hungry lunchtime crowd. The visit comes in the wake of the firestorm created in April when PETA asked officials in Hamburg—which claims to be the birthplace of the hamburger—to promote a kinder, healthier lifestyle by formally changing the town’s name to Veggieburg.


this means: they got some danish porn star to promote vegetarian lifestyle by handing out free veggieburgers. and yes, they asked officials in hamburg to change their name to veggieburg... once again, Danny, ASKED, not "made decisions for anyone", like you claim!!!. "Welcome to Veggieburg!" is kind of a pun, you know. it's not any violation of some moral or ethical law.

and, by the way, if you think that peta and aclu are extremists, well... :\ let's look up some definitions (you're fond of semantics aren't you?) shall we ...
extremist, >> see extreme
being very far from the center of public opinion <their extreme political views attracted only a small band of followers>
Synonyms: extremist, fanatic (or fanatical), rabid, radical, revolutionary, revolutionist, ultra
Related Words: subversive, violent, wild; reactionary
Near Antonyms: conservative, moderate, temperate; conventional, orthodox, traditional; liberal, progressive

to me, and a whole lot of other people, they are standing up for what's right. why would you label them extremist, man? they don't intend any harm to people, like some religious extremists, they don't act out violently in any way. if you want examples of extremism, look at the american government, which kills/is responsible for deaths of millions of people worldwide... just because this gov't represents a few white males with more money than the rest of the world, does not make them conventional. and just because you find that peta and aclu and what they fight for are too far removed from your own personal lifestyle and concerns, does not by any means make them extremist.
 
once again, Danny, ASKED, not "made decisions for anyone", like you claim!!!.
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You obviously cannot read either. Their website states that animals are not ours to eat. They evidently decided that themselves, didn't they? Aren't they making the general decision for everyone? And as for ASKING a town to change their name - if it was up to PETA, their DECISION would be to rename the town to Veggieland, correct????????

And asking a town to rename itself to Veggieland is fanatical any way you look at it.
 
Their website states that animals are not ours to eat. They evidently decided that themselves, didn't they?
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ok, instead, let's ask animals if they want to be eaten.

Danny, what do you think the answer to this question is; you being one of the *animals* on this planet, that is. are you up to being served for some 'higher' species' delicious lunch?

to rename the town to Veggieland
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once again, my friend, veggieburg (not land). get it? it's a joke (ha-ha), hamburg-->veggieburg. get it yet? a JOKE already!

since you're so keen on it, http://www.veggieland.com is a vegetarian food manufacturer. note: they have nothing to do with peta.

cheers,
man
 
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Danny, what do you think the answer to this question is; you being one of the *animals* on this planet, that is. are you up to being served for some 'higher' species' delicious lunch?
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Do lions ask zebras if they want to be eaten? There really is no difference since we're all *animals*.
 
erm... are you comparing yourself to a lion? ... ok then. i'll shut up now, since we're:
a) back to square one; and
b) this bickering is ridiculous. this thread is a living testimony to the fact that participating in like arguments will only give you a headache, at best...

'don't argue with idiots. they drag you down to their level and beat you with exeperience.." somebody, please say something INTELLIGENT!!!
 
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All in good humour.

My long-term plan to cut-down on eating meat so the animals can have a longer natural life: Become a meth-head after college. Eat once every fortnight. :-D Jk.
great discussion btw...
I love bl.
Peace
 
Okay, so...

Psychedelic Gleam said:


Animals do not live in constant fear. Their stressors are only things that are immediate threats, the majority do not have the brains to comprehend long term threats. Everything is in the immediate to them.
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but...

Psychedelic Gleam said:
I see a huge difference in say a man hunting for his food or an animal hunting for his food, and imprisoning an animal in a cage just preparing them for the slaughter, and I imagine extiction sounds like a pretty nice option when compared to systematic slaughter without a day or taste of freedom ever.
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So animals are barely aware of anything beyond the present, yet they are somehow able to dislike living on a ranch instead of in the forest? They are somehow able to realize that they are going to be "murdered" and they are scared? They are aware of the concept of freedom?

No. Barring chicken, perhaps, most food industry animals are kept in better, safer conditions than they would be living in in nature. Pumping them full of hormones doesn't do anything to them that they are aware of, and they are killed in extremely humane ways. Beef cattle are killed with a single bolt to the head - instant, painless death. I don't think there is anything wrong with wholesale raising of cattle for food. How is it any different from back in the 1800s when everyone just had their own personal supply? Now instead of 100,000 farms where animals got killed every day, we have just a few big farms. Nothing has really changed, except that "factory farming" conditions are a lot more humane than those found on a typical frontier ranch in 1806...

Suggesting that torturous death in nature is somehow preferable to instant, painless death following a life in captivity is dubious at best, and becomes exponentially more spurious the second you start mentioning how animals are only aware of the present.

(And I'm not trying to pick on you PG. You were just the first to say these things, and they keep getting repeated by others....)
 
No. Barring chicken, perhaps, most food industry animals are kept in better, safer conditions than they would be living in in nature. Pumping them full of hormones doesn't do anything to them that they are aware of, and they are killed in extremely humane ways.

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Ha Ha, You are funny! Ever heard how veal is raised? I have been on dairy farms where 10% of the cows had an eye missing because while they had them hooked up, they fed them hay with pitchforks and sometimes jabbed them in the face or eyes.

How do you know what all this stuff does to them. You are really in denial IMO. How about you living like a veal calf for a couple of weeks and then tell me how benign it is to treat animals like this.:( 8( :|
 
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