Blue_Phlame
Bluelight Crew
*eats some jack-daniels flavored medium-raw done steak*
mmmm, i like meat.
mmmm, i like meat.
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Eating Meat?
- Thread starter Psychedelic Gleam
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everythinginside
Ex-Bluelighter
Yeah exactly- vegan..
That's the meat-eater way I guess?
That's the meat-eater way I guess?
vegan said:
OK.
8)
I need to point out the contradiction here... You offer evidence that 'proves' that we are physically not supposed to eat meat. That would be 'proof' of diet. Therefore, my original reply is valid.
I’ll reply with my refutation of dietary comparisons only if you still hold them as convincing evidence.
the bricoleur
vegan
Bluelighter
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i said "here are 20 (proofs)" just to play his game
i don't consider them proofs that "we have since been moving in a one way direction towards" not "eating meat"
and more importantly, even if they were indeed proofs that we were heading towards a vegetarian metabolism, i wouldn't use it as an argument
because as long as we technically can be vegetarians, the arguments i find important are the ethics/logic ones
the health arguments are just a bonus
so no, no need to refute the dietary comparisons, i find them of no value
i don't consider them proofs that "we have since been moving in a one way direction towards" not "eating meat"
and more importantly, even if they were indeed proofs that we were heading towards a vegetarian metabolism, i wouldn't use it as an argument
because as long as we technically can be vegetarians, the arguments i find important are the ethics/logic ones
the health arguments are just a bonus
so no, no need to refute the dietary comparisons, i find them of no value
THeRaVeToY
Bluelighter
Just a side note about milk: I've worked in a dairy (no growth hormones used there)... it wasn't a huge operation, a few hundred head.
-The udders and any parts of a machine that touch them are steralized (with iodine and/or disinfectant spray). Any cows that had sores or were sick were kept from the milking herd, usually because of antibiotic use, see below.
-The milking machines are designed to detach after milk production decreases below a certian amount (aka, the cow can't be overmilked). The amount of milk produced is also displayed, so abnormal levels (usually a lack of production) can be investigated.
-Cows can't be forced to be preganant for extra amounts of time per year... like most animals, they go into heat periodically. They do, however, have to calf regularly for milk production to remain constant.
-Reguarding Hormones in Milk: When milk is picked up from a dairy to be transported to a bottling facility, it is transferred from a big holding tank to a tank truck. A sample is taken from the holding tank by the driver, and he continues on his way (usually a bottling plant uses more than one dairy). Upon arrival at the bottling plant, the tank truck is tested for antibiotic residue. IF any exists, the samples are individially tested. The guilty dairy has to BUY the milk from the plant, which is expensive... most dairys can't afford it, so it's extremely rare. There are strict regulations in place for how long a dairy cow must be kept from the milking herd after she calfs and after she is given antibiotics (which often occur together).
(oh, and if anyone was curious... dairy cows usually aren't slaughtered for meat. The average cattle is slaughtered around the age of 3, and dairy cows are in production far after that; the meat is usually considered too tough. If anything, they're turned into dog food or hamburger.)
My brother recently gave up red meat and pork, after reading the book Fast Food Nation. I was interested to see what bluelighters had to say on the subject, since I already know his perspective... the only thing I really gleaned from this thread is that vegan and djdannyuhoh learned to use the quote function.
(edit: sorry if that comes off as anything but disappointed... I'm not trying to be insulting.)
I do agree that a switch from an omnivorous diet to a vegitarian one can be challenging... most grain products today are made from polished grains which don't contain the nutirets people are looking for. But anyone who's willing to do the research and put in the time can make the transition with relatively few problems (and plenty of vitamins).
Because of Fast Food Nation I eat less red meat than I used to, and usually in the form of whole steak (the stastics on ground beef contamination are nauseating)... I don't see much of a change in my body, maybe because I eat more seafood now, instead of changing to a higher veggie content.
[The FUNNIEST question to a strict female vegan I've ever heard (one of the preachy types8) ) "So you don't put any animal products in your body? Does that mean you refuse to swallow?" I thought her eyes were going to pop out of her head.
)
-The udders and any parts of a machine that touch them are steralized (with iodine and/or disinfectant spray). Any cows that had sores or were sick were kept from the milking herd, usually because of antibiotic use, see below.
-The milking machines are designed to detach after milk production decreases below a certian amount (aka, the cow can't be overmilked). The amount of milk produced is also displayed, so abnormal levels (usually a lack of production) can be investigated.
-Cows can't be forced to be preganant for extra amounts of time per year... like most animals, they go into heat periodically. They do, however, have to calf regularly for milk production to remain constant.
-Reguarding Hormones in Milk: When milk is picked up from a dairy to be transported to a bottling facility, it is transferred from a big holding tank to a tank truck. A sample is taken from the holding tank by the driver, and he continues on his way (usually a bottling plant uses more than one dairy). Upon arrival at the bottling plant, the tank truck is tested for antibiotic residue. IF any exists, the samples are individially tested. The guilty dairy has to BUY the milk from the plant, which is expensive... most dairys can't afford it, so it's extremely rare. There are strict regulations in place for how long a dairy cow must be kept from the milking herd after she calfs and after she is given antibiotics (which often occur together).
(oh, and if anyone was curious... dairy cows usually aren't slaughtered for meat. The average cattle is slaughtered around the age of 3, and dairy cows are in production far after that; the meat is usually considered too tough. If anything, they're turned into dog food or hamburger.)
My brother recently gave up red meat and pork, after reading the book Fast Food Nation. I was interested to see what bluelighters had to say on the subject, since I already know his perspective... the only thing I really gleaned from this thread is that vegan and djdannyuhoh learned to use the quote function.
(edit: sorry if that comes off as anything but disappointed... I'm not trying to be insulting.)
I do agree that a switch from an omnivorous diet to a vegitarian one can be challenging... most grain products today are made from polished grains which don't contain the nutirets people are looking for. But anyone who's willing to do the research and put in the time can make the transition with relatively few problems (and plenty of vitamins).
Because of Fast Food Nation I eat less red meat than I used to, and usually in the form of whole steak (the stastics on ground beef contamination are nauseating)... I don't see much of a change in my body, maybe because I eat more seafood now, instead of changing to a higher veggie content.
[The FUNNIEST question to a strict female vegan I've ever heard (one of the preachy types8) ) "So you don't put any animal products in your body? Does that mean you refuse to swallow?" I thought her eyes were going to pop out of her head.
)