easy cocaine clean-up for the chemistry challenged

[BigBenn]

I've never bumped into anything anhydrous. So, is this anhydrous stuff in liquid form or is it just powder? How can it be anhydrous if it's liquid? ... and I don't understand how it would work if it would be powder. 8(

I understand the definition of the word 'anhydrous' as non-water. My head tells me that if something is in liquid form it has to have some water on it.

This is crazy. I'm tired.

Anhydrous compounds can surely be liquid. Acetone itself is a liquid so without water it is a liquid. Anhydrous alcohol is alcohol with all water removed, you get the idea.

 

[Wizzle]

Yes, diethyl ether is a great cocaine solvent. Just as is anhydrous acetone.

I have lab grade ether and acetone, so I always first wash with acetone and then follow it with an ether wash. The ether will also remove any traces of acetone so that you may snort nearly right away (30 minutes or so).

I hope this also helps with the question posted above.

Junk

No, what I meant is that I want to have amphetamines out of the picture. Will this wash do that?

Thanks a lot anyway, I think it's great you are willing to spend a lot of time to help us with this kinda stuff.

About the spontaneous combustion... Will this also be a great danger if I do this outside? I've also done Butane extractions for hash oil, I'd like to know if ether is anymore dangerous than butane

edit: I read up on it at wikipedia and it does seem to be similar to butane (also heavier than air), so I guess it'll be safe to use outside if carefull.

 

[TheTripDoctor]

Chem lesson

Ok first of all everyone take note of the following.

In chemistry, separating 2 compounds that are in a heterogeneous form, meaning a single powder/solution that has more than one separate chemical in it, you have to play magic tricks and use the differences between the 2 to separate them.

In the most BASIC case, freebase cocaine can be disolved in ether or another non-polar solvent, leaving behind anything polar or water soluble to be then washed away by adding water, separating the 2 liquids, and throwing the water out.

In another BASIC case, cocaine HCl can be disolved in something like water, and "washed" with a non polar solvent, to remove anything soluble in said non polar solvent, but not the cocaine, which stays in the water.

Those are your 2 basic washes of cocaine. They can be done easily.

Now, if your going to be just doing that, thats fine, you should realize that many drugs including amphetamine, methamphetamine, procaine, and a lot of the other active drugs used to cut cocaine, also share chemical properties with cocaine for our purposes here. That means whatever you do as far as washing, the active crap stays with the cocaine. As well if you convert from a hcl to a base or from a base to a hcl, most of those active cuts will follow the same path as cocaine, going from base to hcl, or from hcl to base, just like the cocaine will.


You have to find a property of one of the drugs you have (assuming you KNOW what you have), that is either different or can be used to your advantage.

Some of these properties are increased or decreased solubility at certain temperatures, another would be using specific solvents that are known to disolve one drug but not another when both are in either base or hcl form

The main chem mentioned in this thread is acetone, which is a good chem for this purpose, however it doesnt clean everything, you have to know what you have first to know if it will clean it out.

For now, you have little way of knowing what else is in the coke, you can ASSUME but that isnt for sure.

Talc is not soluble in water, probably soluble in acetone.

Procaine HCl is soluble in water, and probably not acetone, the base is not soluble in water but should be soluble in acetone

Mannitol is a sugar and is soluble in water, but most sugars are insoluble in acetone.

Some of this stuff is incredibly hard to find, even in an MSDS, i have solomons org chem next to me and i still cant find out much about some of these chems solubility in things other than water. So in most cases i can guess based on the molecule but there are odditys of nature that make no sense, even worse with acetone which disolves things non-polars dont. You either have to know or try it and see what comes out.

 

[malko]

The danger of spontaneous combustion with ether is due to the formation of peroxides over time. As ether ages it becomes extremely sensitive and may explode.

oops sorry

 

[psychetool]

i'm just curious - is there any negative or dangerous effects from snorting acetone residue ?

 

[robbyrob]

Ok first of all everyone take note of the following.

In chemistry, separating 2 compounds that are in a heterogeneous form, meaning a single powder/solution that has more than one separate chemical in it, you have to play magic tricks and use the differences between the 2 to separate them.

In the most BASIC case, freebase cocaine can be disolved in ether or another non-polar solvent, leaving behind anything polar or water soluble to be then washed away by adding water, separating the 2 liquids, and throwing the water out.

In another BASIC case, cocaine HCl can be disolved in something like water, and "washed" with a non polar solvent, to remove anything soluble in said non polar solvent, but not the cocaine, which stays in the water.

Those are your 2 basic washes of cocaine. They can be done easily.

Now, if your going to be just doing that, thats fine, you should realize that many drugs including amphetamine, methamphetamine, procaine, and a lot of the other active drugs used to cut cocaine, also share chemical properties with cocaine for our purposes here. That means whatever you do as far as washing, the active crap stays with the cocaine. As well if you convert from a hcl to a base or from a base to a hcl, most of those active cuts will follow the same path as cocaine, going from base to hcl, or from hcl to base, just like the cocaine will.


You have to find a property of one of the drugs you have (assuming you KNOW what you have), that is either different or can be used to your advantage.

Some of these properties are increased or decreased solubility at certain temperatures, another would be using specific solvents that are known to disolve one drug but not another when both are in either base or hcl form

The main chem mentioned in this thread is acetone, which is a good chem for this purpose, however it doesnt clean everything, you have to know what you have first to know if it will clean it out.

For now, you have little way of knowing what else is in the coke, you can ASSUME but that isnt for sure.

Talc is not soluble in water, probably soluble in acetone.

Procaine HCl is soluble in water, and probably not acetone, the base is not soluble in water but should be soluble in acetone

Mannitol is a sugar and is soluble in water, but most sugars are insoluble in acetone.

Some of this stuff is incredibly hard to find, even in an MSDS, i have solomons org chem next to me and i still cant find out much about some of these chems solubility in things other than water. So in most cases i can guess based on the molecule but there are odditys of nature that make no sense, even worse with acetone which disolves things non-polars dont. You either have to know or try it and see what comes out.

very nice read here bud..

 

[TripAtristMos]

No. Hardware store acetone contains both water and/or alcohol. Both of which cocaine are entirely soluble in. In other words, you'll lose most, or all of your cocaine using hardware store acetone.

That's why it's imparative that you obtain ANHYDROUS ACETONE. Otherwise, you'll lose everything.

Junk

So your telling me that the acetone I got from the hardware store will result in a minimal loss or a huge loss of cocaine hcl?

If a huge loss, shouldn't you change the original post.

 

[Le Junk]

So your telling me that the acetone I got from the hardware store will result in a minimal loss or a huge loss of cocaine hcl?

If a huge loss, shouldn't you change the original post.

I appreciate your observation, and have thus corrected the original post. Any hardware store acetone can be easily made anhydrous with just a little sodium hydroxide.

If not, your loss will still be just minimal.

Thank you for the note.

Junk

 

[Peruvian Cocaine]

Ephedrine is soluable in acetone while cocaine is not correct? If so, why would we need to use choloform as instructed in the sticked post?

 

[Le Junk]

Ephedrine is soluable in acetone while cocaine is not correct? If so, why would we need to use choloform as instructed in the sticked post?

No, ephedrine hydrochloride is not soluble in acetone, and neither is cocaine hydrochloride. Thus, the updated post.

 

[evlove]

Thanks for this post Le Junk.

Could you or anyone with the information explain in more detail the process of removing the water from the acetone via NaOH?

So if someone had pure NaOH crystals and hardware grade acetone (acetone+water), mixed the two together, filtered, wouldn't you have a solution of acetone + NaOH dissolved in water?

I'm sure that I am missing something.

Thanks,

 

[xxl]

Thanks for this post Le Junk.

Could you or anyone with the information explain in more detail the process of removing the water from the acetone via NaOH?

So if someone had pure NaOH crystals and hardware grade acetone (acetone+water), mixed the two together, filtered, wouldn't you have a solution of acetone + NaOH dissolved in water?

I'm sure that I am missing something.

Thanks,

Worse than that, it seems the NaOH reacts with acetone to produce ... water (it's called the aldol condensation, I think).

The following page is about drying solvents: http://delloyd.50megs.com/moreinfo/drying.html

"Solvents: Properties and Drying agents

Acetone

Drying agents: K2CO3; Molecular sieve 0.3nm; CaCl2"

It seems that mixing the acetone with the drying agent may not be sufficient. Evaporation/distillation is still needed. In other words, drying hydrous acetone is no easy matter. And beware, while you're handling acetone (unless you're doing so in a vacuum), it pumps in water from the atmosphere with a vengeance, so it had better be worth it.

Here's a excerpt from a research paper about the purification of commercial acetone, from http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/1986/pdf/5811x1535.pdf

"PURIFICATION OF ACETONE
The relatively high purity of commercial acetone is an obvious advantage. On the other hand, the ease with which acetone undergoes either acid— or base—catalyzed aldol condensation complicates any additional purification. Removal of the main impurity, water, presents a problem because even such mildly acidic or basic desiccants as silica gel or alumina cause aldol condensation (v.s.). Riddick (ref. 1) found that drying with
anhydrous calcium sulfate (Drierite) followed by careful fractional distillation is most effective, although it is difficult to lower the water content of this very hygroscopic solvent below 1O M. Coetzee and Siao (ref. 11, 17) used a related method which is described below.

Dry the acetone by shaking with Drierite (25 g L1) for several hours.
Decant and distill from fresh Drierite (10 g L) through an efficient
column, e.g., a Stedman column. Maintain contact with the atmosphere
through a Drierite drying tube. (Caution: Do not use anhydrous magnesium
perchlorate which may explode in contact with acetone vapor.)
Store the distillate in a dark container fitted with a siphon for
dispensing the solvent"

 

[Trixxy2]

So wait...I'm a little bit slow.

What exactly is this wash going to do? Are cuts removed, or what?

Please explain in simple easy to understand words for the dumb girl lol

Thanks!

 

[Le Junk]

So wait...I'm a little bit slow.

What exactly is this wash going to do? Are cuts removed, or what?

Please explain in simple easy to understand words for the dumb girl lol

Thanks!

Yes, it will remove a host of adulterants and drastically change the asthetics of your coke as well.

 

[Cerp]

I understand that this process will remove many active cuts, as well as inactive cuts. This process doesn't remove ephedrine however, which is the most altering active cut in cocaine, is it not? I was wondering how much of a difference this clean up would produce in the effects of IV cocaine? How would the results from removing ephedrine compare to the results of this simple clean up differ in terms of the effort:results ratio when administration will be IV (speedball to be exact)? Would I be better off doing a quick acetone wash, or would I be better off to remove the ephedrine?

 

[Le Junk]

I understand that this process will remove many active cuts, as well as inactive cuts. This process doesn't remove ephedrine however, which is the most altering active cut in cocaine, is it not? I was wondering how much of a difference this clean up would produce in the effects of IV cocaine? How would the results from removing ephedrine compare to the results of this simple clean up differ in terms of the effort:results ratio when administration will be IV (speedball to be exact)? Would I be better off doing a quick acetone wash, or would I be better off to remove the ephedrine?

Without question, remove the ephedrine. Nasty ass drug!

 

[MethyleneDioxyMeth]

Im sorry but can you explain how to get rid of the water in the acetone

 

[Le Junk]

Im sorry but can you explain how to get rid of the water in the acetone

Per 1 liter of acetone, add 100 ml.s of sodium hydroxide. Shake and filter.

Your acetone will now be anhydrous.

 

[Rozinski]

Sorry, let me put it this way, I came across it in a 1981 book entitled "Cocaine Handbook" by David Lee.

Sorry for the wrong word usage. Avant Labs was 20 years behind the process.

It's just an informative piece, that's all.

AWSOME book i thought i had the only copy heh they dont makem like that no more now we have this

 

[cakes]

In addition to the more thorough and advanced cocaine clean-up thread I've previously written, I have come up with a more simplistic and nearly just as good clean-up method that nearly rivals the quality of my previous thread. You will need anhydrous acetone to perform this procedure. If you already have that, then your set. If not, and you plan on using hardware store acetone, add about 50 ml.s of sodium hydroxide to the acetone, shake and then filter. Your hardware store acetone is now anhydrous.

Hi Junk,what size acetone bottle is needed for the 50ml of NaHCL? I get it in a 100ml bottle, so say mix them both, filter so I now have approx 150ml of anhydrous acetone?
Thanks Mate.