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Eastern men and Western/European females

Ninae

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I guess this could apply as much for American women in that situation as well. Never thought I'd be asking this stupid question, but with with the mess I've been getting myself into lately, I thought I might as well ask for a second opinion, or to hear from those with a similar experience. Or who's been an observer at least.

So it's no big deal (though it could be if I don't watch out), mostly a case of silly romantic love, I'm just concerned I'll end up hurting someone or doing something stupid. The cultural difference is more of a secondary issue, I just thought I'd ask about it just in case, though I don't feel it's going to cause any problems for me personally. I can get along with other cultures and my family don't have a problem with different races/cultures. Basically, I've met a Far Eastern (Pakistan) guy who's been living in Northen Europe (England and Scandinavia) for over 5 years now. He speaks well, is well integrated/socialized, looks better than 90% of European guys (looks more Southern European and doesn't stand out), works hard 12-hour-days to get his work-permit (not long left) and is set up to take over part of his family business.

He has a totally clean record, goes to Mosque at least once a week, and doesn't do drugs, drink, or smoke. All in all, I don't really see HIM being that much of a problem. Apart from the usual, unavoidable ones that comes with dating someone like that, but I think that's something I can handle. At least now that I've gotten able to know him and know he's a really good guy. Before that I had my concerns as there are unfortunately also many who are up to no good and you have very good reason to be warned of and be careful about. And of course they'll all deny it up front, so at first there's no way of knowing what you're getting into. The only way I can know for sure is from having been him touch with him almost daily for over a month and getting a look into how he lives and what's going through his mind, which is the only real way to be sure of anything.

As for me, I wasn't expecting anything and didn't go into this wanting anything from this guy, just started talking to him and hanging out when I had nothing to do, and just felt like keeping in touch. So I was very pleasantly surprised. Also feel bad for some of the things I thought at first, like, I'm so cynical, at first I didn't know what to think and would sometimes think something like "Maybe he's just doing whatever he feel it will take to get the next blond/blue eye girl and when he's really talked me into something all hell will break lose" (That's also one thing about these guys, they'll be very upfront about what attracts them to you at first and don't see any problem admitting to it, hahah). And it's been nothing like that at all, he's fantastically kind, not the abusive type at all. But I've heard some horrible stories and some are probably true, so who can really blame you?

Anyway, I can see someone for what they are, and now I'm so impressed with him I'm giving it some serious thought. Still haven't made my mind, but if I decide to give it a try I want to make the best of it. And besides, he deserves the best. Not that we argue, when we do it's usually based on misunderstandings, which are to do with our cultural differences and his vulnerabilities and how he's been treated before, etc. which leads to certain misunderstandings. My personal problem is I'm not sure of my feelings yet, which is something different, and he's so oversure of his. Just worried there's something obvious I'm missing here?

My cousin who's a social worker always speaks out against different-culture relationships, saying how all studies show they don't work, etc. But she's so prejudiced she can't be very biased and I can't believe they're all that bad compared to others. The average Western marriage isn't exactly Nirvana, and I'm sure they must have at least 20% as good chance as one of those (not saying much, but then I don't have much faith in long-term relationships to begin with, while he's another matter).

So is there anything you think would be helpful to keep in mind that you can think of? He's quite moderate, both culturally and religiously. That is, don't feel too strongly about either, so that's not really an issue. Though he's been brought up, and spent most of his adult life, in The Far East (Late 20s now) so he's going to have some differences.
 
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i love Australian women....

on the topic, if you both are in love, multi-cultural differences should not be a key factor.
as long as you get to know this person enough before you take the next step, you should be fine

Good luck with your relationship :)
 
i love Australian women....

on the topic, if you both are in love, multi-cultural differences should not be a key factor.
as long as you get to know this person enough before you take the next step, you should be fine

Good luck with your relationship :)


Thanks, I'm trying to take my time, which i never do. I just don't feel like jumping into it for once. But he's so in love it makes it kind of hard. I hate when the other person is more into it than I am. I don't like to disappoint him, but at the same time I'm not going to say something I don't feel, or commit to anything I'm not ready for.
 
It's going to come down to both of your openness and willingness to deal with challenges and misunderstandings as they are arise. If either of you puts up a wall then you're going to have problems. That seems to be the key with anything cross-cultural.

I met many eastern/western couples when I travelled Asia. It's more common than one might think. It sounds though like the main issue for you is that he feels strongly about the relationship and you aren't at that level yet. If he starts pushing things too advanced then you'll have to let him know that you need to take things a little slower.

In my current relationship it's similar. He's all in love with me and going to town with it, and even though I am really into him too, I would not say I'm head over heels just yet. It doesn't mean it won't work out, it just means some people need more time. :)
 
In my current relationship it's similar. He's all in love with me and going to town with it, and even though I am really into him too, I would not say I'm head over heels just yet. It doesn't mean it won't work out, it just means some people need more time. :)

Do you sometime just feel like rolling your eyes and making one of those comments guys like to make when they think girls are acting all silly in a romantic way?

It's sad, but I now kind of see their point. I don't enjoy it - I'd rather be stupidly in love running around making a fool of myself. And it does seem kind of stupid when you're not in that position yourself. But then you're too high too care or even see it. That's how I prefer to feel when I'm with someone.

If a guy can make you feel like that he can make you do like whatever. It's your body's own dope-making mechanism, telling you anything goes, just in a more extended way that is attached to one person while also affecting how you view life as a whole. It's really comparable to being on a permanent dose of opiates. Mostly low-dose, but can also swing wildly up and down, just never leaves you in withdrawal (even if someone leaves you, your love for them doesn't leave you).

I've always enjoyed the state of giving more (when it comes to love) so I guess that can also be true when it comes to someone else, or he can be pretty blissed-out even if I haven't been able to return all his feelings yet. Being loved in returned is more like the cherry on top, or doesn't actually amount to much, though it can feel like the end of the world when you DON'T have it. That's why I like to be careful with someone else. It's funny, when you love someone you feel like it's such a gift, as you're filled with the intrinsic value of it, but unreturned love, or when you end up not being able to return it, is really a burden.

At the same time, people sure look silly when they ARE in love. Still, when you know how happy it makes them, and can feel it, it's kind of uplifting.
 
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I don't see the cultural differences as an issue. I think your actual issue is he's more into you than you are into him. If I were you, I'd take the relationship a day at a time. Don't look into the future too much. I like what you said about not telling him something you don't feel and not rushing into things. Just stick to that. Good luck!
 
Those of you who say the cultural differences aren't an issue... How familiar are you with this culture? The expectations for a woman in this culture are far different than they are in the West.
 
I don't have the same concerns as you because even if I'm infatuated I still know what proper boundaries mean. I'm cool with someone being totally in love with me as long as it doesn't come with expectations of how I should be. I'm also cool with being in love with someone who doesn't feel the same because to me love is unconditional and makes no demands.

I know the biochemistry you're talking about but I don't believe that's all love is. It's spiritual too and transcends this body. Yeah there is a certain amount of vulnerability that happens when you open yourself up to someone but that doesn't mean I've lost my mind or suddenly will let someone do whatever they want to me. I always have a cautious side and I have an "abort switch" that will make me take a step back from any situation that is fucked up and let me re-evaluate it with a clear head.

Funny you should mention being high. Learning to operate in the world under various altered states has taught me to navigate love in the same way. I feel that blissy rush from being really into someone but it can't fully overtake me unless I let it, and even then I can pull out of it if I want to. I couldn't always do that but years of drug use taught me how to be more rational while under the influence.
 
Hey Ninae. I can relate to your situation. I am American, blonde hair/blue eyes and have had significant interest in Indian men. There is one in particular that is interested in me. It's good that you are aware of others' experiences. As with all relationships, take time to look for some of the warning signs of control or abuse.

Undoubtedly he will carry his culture with him even if he is fighting the tendencies he has grown up witnessing. Specifically, ordering and controlling women. Take a chance to go to the supermarket with him and talk in a friendly way with the cashier... Look for his response. Mention a male friend and see his response. Undoubtedly it will be hard for him to adjust to your European way of socializing. But maybe he'll be able to adjust. If his reactions are something you can live with, good. And let me know ;)

For what it's worth, give him 4 months to let this "honeymoon" feeling wear off from his mind. After 4 months infatuation will fade and our nature comes out more plainly. Then look for his responses to your socializing and any tendency to control.

There are some good Eastern men who don't carry this out to their wives.
 
I'm not familiar with that culture specifically. But if you like him - just go for it! You don't have to get serious right away. If he ends up not being who you thought he was, you can break up. It's not like you're getting married right away or anything!
I know many people in successful relationships even though they are different cultures. It CAN work!!
 
Yes, I think the idea that if you love each other you can always be happy can be a bit romantic. That might be true for more similar cultures, like different Western cultures, that have more superficial differences but are more similar at the base. But Eastern/Western culture can be SO different, I can easily see how there can be problems unless you're both more open-minded and you really want it and are willing to work for it.

Although he's well adjusted I've noticed he has a different attitude towards many things. Like, he seems to expect me to cook for him and have an attitude where he's prepared to care for me materially, like pay my phonebill when I'm short of money. This is no doubt because of his background and quite different to how we have been raised to view modern relationships. Not that I really mind, or think it's much worse than a culture that sees a woman living to raise her children as a useless piece of work that's just sponging off her man and the state (as opposed to paying for your children to be raised by strangers away from home). Both ideals have their good and bad points, I think.

The fascination for fair colours is very strong and much different from men with darker colours who've been raised around us - they seem to see it as something very exotic and desirable. Not that it means it's all they like you for, it can just be one of the initial things that attracts them to you. You're also right about the controling aspect, which probably most of them possess some of, unless they're complete pussies. Although this guy is very kind and not the bossy type, it's very second nature to him to speak up and take control when he sees the need for it. Though I don't mind this as long as he has a good reason for it and it's not just bullying. I don't like guys who can't stand up for themselves and I can walk all over, anyway. Freks me out more the way he can be running around me like a puppy rest of the time.
 
By the way, if some females are interested, I can show you a pic in private to hear what you think? Never hurts with another opinion.
 
Don't laugh, but I got a bit of a shock last week, when I said how unfair it was he has to pay so much tax (a fortune) to get a work permit, and if he were to get thrown out of the country I would marry him so he didn' t have to, because he deserved it.

Didn't mean it really seriously, it was just a thought, but that seemed to give him an idea, and a few days later he told me he'd been told he might be sent home because they don't believe anyone can pay as much tax a month from driving taxi (over $3000 a month), although he does by driving 12 hours 7 days a week and living free with his family, I know because he calls me all day while driving. I also thought this was strange as I've never heard of it before, all I've heard is that he has one more year to go of driving taxi.

Anyway, THEN, a few days later, he shocks me by asking if I would marry him, and then if I was prepared to marry him right away if he got a letter saying he had to leave. This really freaked me out at firt, as I'm not even sure how involved I want to be with him.
 
So didn't know what to think at first. But then I started thinking, for one, I know he's not just playing me for a work permit as he' s almost obsessed with me and acting totally in love. Then, how there's nothing really wrong with wanting an ideal outcome, and what do I know about what someone who's struggling for citizentry is going through. So I decided it wasn't really anything that bad.

Anyway, after I kind of freaked out he just told me to forget it, and hasn't mentioned it since. Like hes afraid it was coing to scare me off. So I don't even know if it's true or just something he made up to try and push me into commiting to him. He has a totally different outlook than me - he wants to get married and have children - and not only that - never get divorced. Which I don't have much faith in.
 
You are obviously more into this man than you claim to be, or you wouldn't be using this thread as a blog. Regardless, first impression I don't trust this mans intentions, but do as you wish.
 
^i feel that is a baseless claim. Different people have different outlets. Not everyone lives in the same world where posting about certain issues of your life online means they hold such a significant value, though the prospect of getting married is an issues where it is significant. Obviously she had good reasons for questioning the direction of the relationship, the potential hardships, etc., I mean, he already asked her to marry him.

I think jumping into marriage right now, especially when you aren't even sure of how this relationship will work out is a VERY bad idea. Tell him exactly where you are right now with him. Tell him how you are not so ready for such a serious relationship. You also need to tell him your boundaries before certain tasks your willing to "put up with" become tasks you really don't want to do (expectations of you). When you establish a relationship functioning in certain ways, it will be hard to break the cycle and go back to where you really want to be.

IMO, he is really farther along in this relationship than if, if you understand my meaning. He's looking for a serious long term relationship, and you seem to be wanting to test the waters/be a young individual in a casual relationship.
 
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