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Experience counts for much more than a degree, once you have it, but there's nothing like getting your degree and walking into a reasonably well paid job.

I've got an interview in Newbury tomorrow afternoon. Am out of valium, so will buy some kalms on the way.
Not sure which way this one will go, though I'm hopeful, despite not wanting to live in Newbury.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/7582241.stm
Fast cars, sleek jets and the latest mobile phone might get teenagers excited, but few school leavers want to work in the factories that actually make them, say industry experts.

James Dyson, the engineering entrepreneur, warned that Britain faces an engineering skills crisis.

Engineering firms in the west have told the BBC that they are struggling to recruit school leavers because of an outdated image of manufacturing among teachers.

Chris Tattersall, managing director of Somerset based Relyon beds, said: "We had a school trip round our factory recently. At the end the teacher turned to her students and warned them: 'If you don't study hard, this is the sort of place you'll end up'. That is the problem manufacturing faces."

Relyon beds said they own state-of-the-art machinery including a £500,000 system that makes thousands of coiled springs a day.

Technology which includes computer-guided lasers has reduced the time to make a bed from six weeks to nine days.

'New jobs'

Sarah Morris, of the CBI in the South West, said: "Over the next four years we'll be creating two million new jobs that need Science, Technology, Engineering or Maths."

She said members have been crying out for more school leavers with engineering qualifications.

"We're calling on the government to invest a modest £120m in specific careers advice, to show young people exactly how promising a career in engineering can be. If we don't do something, Britain will lose these jobs to foreign competitors."

The South West has hundreds of small engineering firms who make everything from fast cars like the Ariel Atom, carbon fibre for passenger jets, to specialist valves for oil pipelines.

'Qualified shortage'

Barry Warburton, Engineering Employers Federation spokesman, said a shortage of qualified youngsters is their number one concern.

"Schools are pushing everyone into higher education.

"That's fine - but we need technicians and engineers to work in these factories or nothing will get made."

Ali Morison joined Relyon Beds 25 years ago and said working in a factory was a natural thing for a 15-year-old to do. She worked her way up and now leads a team of 40, who sew and stitch bespoke mattresses.

"I've got a son of 12 myself now and he wouldn't dream of working in a bed factory.

"None of his friends would. They'd all probably go for IT, or media maybe."
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That is something that was predicted before in the 90's but with electricians , brickies and plumbers.
Cynic in me wonders how long it will be before there's to many, like a few years ago with the nurses "shortage". Today there's many looking for work.(nurses and brickies...)
 
cherrycolouredfunk said:
you an do any job you like without a degree.
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That, my dear, is bollocks.


In terms of earnings you can definitely earn far more after doing a degree than if you hadn't, although obviously the majority wont see much of a difference.

I would also suggest people who listen to the "school of lifers" to take their words with a pinch of salt. Thank fuck the times are drawing to a close where fairly unskilled numbskull brickies, plumbers and electricians got away with charging extortionate amounts of money for relatively simple work. The free market is here, people. Give your polish friend a call and get the job done for an actually competitive price.
 
i hope you're not misunderstanding me. i'm certainly not one of those tiresome 'school of life' people who thinks degrees are a waste of time, all i was saying was that i haven't needed one so far. but then again, if i had got mine i would be in a profession where i would need one. bah.

anyway, i'd be pretty pissed off if i found out my doctor didn't have a degree. ;)
 
felix said:
i hope you're not misunderstanding me. i'm certainly not one of those tiresome 'school of life' people who thinks degrees are a waste of time, all i was saying was that i haven't needed one so far. but then again, if i had got mine i would be in a profession where i would need one. bah.

anyway, i'd be pretty pissed off if i found out my doctor didn't have a degree. ;)
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No, of course not! And a lot of degrees are a waste of time in a vocational sense. But then again earning lots of money when you're older isn't (or at least shouldn't be) what uni is all about ;)

Of course there is overlap. Owning your own business only requires ideas and hard work, not degrees. There are lots of very well paid jobs where you can start bottom-up through a company.

That being said though degree holders do earn more money than those who don't, on average. If you have an interest in law or medicine or vet science or engineering or science you've got no chance without your piece of paper. Simply saying "you can do any job without a degree" like CCF said or "experience counts more than a degree" are just not true.

A degree doesn't pretend to be anything its not but it's the gateway to a lot of very well paid careers. Of course experience is massively important, just like what your skills are, how you integrate with others and how you come across in interviews/meetings.

:)
 
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That, my dear, is bollocks.
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I knew I should have changed the way i'd worded that before someone picked up on it.

Put simply I meant...a degree is a valuable thing if you want to go the graduate milk round route and earn a graduate salary. If you don't want to do that then a degree is a hinder and for me in my current location means I am over qualified. Most of my managers in recent jobs have been degreeless and younger than me. They worked their way up from the bottom. So...a degree was not needed!

For me to use my degree how I initially intended to when I set out on my university journey I need to go back and study further, which costs money I don't have. Real life and bills and rent etc got in the way.
 
Arnold said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/7582241.stm

That is something that was predicted before in the 90's but with electricians , brickies and plumbers.
Cynic in me wonders how long it will be before there's to many, like a few years ago with the nurses "shortage". Today there's many looking for work.(nurses and brickies...)
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Plenty people got recruited from my school to work for Air Bus, once their apprenticeship is over they'll be on 30k a year and they treat their staff well with free gym memberships and all that kind of stuff
 
Job interview in an hour for a pharmaceutical manufacturing company.

Still waiting to hear about dispensing job. I was told they would be in touch with me by the end of the week!

Not nervous at all though. I just want it over with though so I can get on with the rest of my day.
 
eDDe9 said:
Plenty people got recruited from my school to work for Air Bus, once their apprenticeship is over they'll be on 30k a year and they treat their staff well with free gym memberships and all that kind of stuff
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Get your degree and you'll be earning min 30K as a banker, lawyer, accountant etc when you start.
 
Or, get your degree and enter into Aldi's graduate scheme and earn, starting pay, 40k a year and a brand spanking new Audi A4 car

I'm hoping to do that to get some business experience under my belt before fast-tracking through the Civil Service

Need to get into uni first, bah
 
eDDe9 said:
Or, get your degree and enter into Aldi's graduate scheme and earn, starting pay, 40k a year and a brand spanking new Audi A4 car

I'm hoping to do that to get some business experience under my belt before fast-tracking through the Civil Service

Need to get into uni first, bah
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£40k and a car sounds very nice and all but...could you really work for Aldi? Having to deal with incompetent morons all day - and that's just the staff - whilst working for some scumbag supermarket?

Employment is a fine balance between job enjoyment, pay and future potential..

I don't think i'd do the Aldi job for £50k :D
 
eDDe9 said:
Or, get your degree and enter into Aldi's graduate scheme and earn, starting pay, 40k a year and a brand spanking new Audi A4 car
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I've got an S4, and it is a very nice car. However I dunno if i could work for Aldi!
 
eDDe9 said:
I'm hoping to do that to get some business experience under my belt before fast-tracking through the Civil Service
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Why the fuck would you want to work in the Civil Service?
 
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