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'E' Recovery Packs and Information Flyers for Teens...

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Unk-e Benny

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Hi Guys,
Just seeking comments on the following...
I currently make up recovery packs which are a combination of 5HTP, multivitamins, and antioxidants. The goal is to help the body recover and minimise the risk of neuro cell damage through some unfriendly chemical process that occurs when your brain runs low on Seratonin... I dont plan to make any profit from these kits (and in fact I'm not sure I'd be allowed to if I wanted to anyway) but the other thing I wanted to put in these kits was a little made up booklet on looking after yourself etc and being careful on 'E'....
I've said many times that the Government's lack of education sucks, and particularly with the number of teenagers I see taking drugs without really having an understanding of what they're doing, it really concerns me that nothing of an 'education' or 'reference' angle is being really given to them.
I'm planning to work with a few of the key boys and girls from on here and also www.thescene.com.au in getting the details of the little flyers right...
They'd fold out, and probably be colour printed (courtesy of my wonderful employer probably ) and hopefully be laid out and worded in such a way that they'd appeal to the teenage demographic, who I think are the least imformed in what's going on out there...
My question to everyone - if these were floating around somehow at venues, do you think they would do any good for anyone??
Also do you think the more conscientious dealers out there might take a bit of time to ensure 'new users' are a bit more aware of what they're doing? Or maybe even give them a flyer? .....
And lastly, I've done a lot of research on 5HTP and it's import legalities (see thread here)... Are there any law students or eager beavers that could further find more about the restrictions on buying/storing/carrying/selling the substance? It's a harmless little amino acid that does wonderful things in minimising the harm of MDMA, but out wonderful powers that be don't feel important unless they're regulating the f*ck out of everything...
Well there's a huge post to get this topic started - would love to get feedback from you guys.... I know I'll cop the label of 'dag' for the intent of both the flyers and the recovery packs, but I just like to see everyone having fun, and no-one dying of heatstroke and the likes....
Thats why they call me Unk-E Benny ....
 
It's great to see people who want to spread the truth!
Anything like this can only be good, providing it states facts and doesn't place to much empasis on any one point I'm all for it.
These recovery packs sound interesting, I like my vitamins in fruit form but I am interested in 5-htp Ü.
Hurrah to you unky.
 
awesome idea dude, clubs would definately stock the flyers! and even schools/UNI's
And you never know dealers could sell a "Weekend PartE Pack" for ravers. The package could contain an E tab in with your recovery pack. Would be perfect for a great night out and recovery the next day.
good luck!
RobE
 
Good idea!
How about marketing the recovery packs and with the profits printing handouts about mdma?
 
Sounds good,
I rekon the key is for it to be simply information. Do not take a side, either for or against.
Simply give the facts. Being the information age and all. I think people are info hungry and simple info such as drink water, but not too much water is just not enough. Explain why you should be drinking water and why you shouldn't drink too much. Stuff like that.
Also on the recovery stuff http://www.dreamstore.nl have a nice selection of pre/post loading formula for all kinds of drugs. Even a booster formula. I have no idea how good they are but the repair & prepair pack was recommended by the guys who run http://www.eztest.com
Like your work Unk-e Benny!
Also put on the flyers url's for some good sites, such as this, dance safe, thescene and whatever are relevent.
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I think its a great idea and why not trial it and see what feedback you get. I'd be really interested to see how its goes and if all goes well I will gladly give you support up here.
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Wow guys! I only started the thread a few hours ago- awesome to see so much support already...
Yep the original draft I did referred to bluelight and dancesafe for more info coz no matter how I worded it I could never get all the up to date info I wanted on a piece of paper..... esafe looks like another one I might mention....
At the moment things I've written down to mention are below.. Of course I'd be aiming at a 16-24 demographic in the language so it probably wouldnt read as dry as below... For the more mature ravers, I'm sure they'll forgive me the slang and skewed grammar if they need to know facts...
I'd welcome anyone to add stuff, or debate the points I've mentioned... The more people I get input from, the better and more rounded the info will be... Also any doctors, pharmacists (ie: medical brains) I'd welcome some authoritive confirmation on the info too!)... I also realise that for the age group I want to reach, the above will probably have to be culled or it may prove 'too much info'... To combat this I'm trying to find logical ways to make key info in their face, but a little more detail available (maybe further down the page, etc)...
INTRODUCTION:
* What is Ecstacy (MDMA) (brief)?
* How does Ecstacy work?
BEFORE I BUY:
* Ecstacy is not legal to buy, sell or carry anywhere in Australia. You can also now be stopped and tested in certain states if Police think you might have taken something illegal.
* Find out what the pills are called and what they look like. (Check the online reports for dangerous pills. [bluelight/pillreports URLS here])
* Test the pills using E (and preferably also E2) test kits before paying for the pills [if you're dealer won't allow this, find another dealer!] [chemical generation URL here]
* Avoid buying at parties etc if possible as it makes it hard to check the pills out properly.
BEFORE I DROP (take Ecstacy):
* If you're on antidepressants, here's where you stop, Ecstacy can throw these out of whack and can even be a very dangerous mix.
* If you've been taking other drugs or drinking lots think carefully about the consquences of mixing with ecstacy.
* Plan your night. It's not safe to drive (and it can be hard to work or study) while on 'E' and the effects can last up to 8-12 hours after dropping.
* Let a friend know you're taking something so they can look out for you.
* Stock up on water (or make sure you have money for some) if you're planning a night of 'E' and dancing.
* Try to have some decent food before you go out to give your body something to sustain you.
OK, I'VE JUST TAKEN SOME ECSTACY- HOW DO I LOOK OUT FOR MYSELF:
* Avoid heatstroke/dehydration by drinking water when you feel thirsty. Don't guzzle 30 litres in one night, but make sure that for the fluid you're sweating out, you put some back in... (Avoid softdrink or alcohol as both can dry your body out further).
* Rest every now and then to cool off (find a 'chill out' area and veg out for a while).
* Don't drop too many. Sometimes pills can take up to 1.5 hours before you feel their effects. Dont pop extra pills because you dont think the first one was strong enough, etc. For most people, between 0.5 pills and 1 is plenty to have a fun night.
* Listen to your body- if you're cramping or feeling tired it's probably time to rest. If you're hungry, eat something.
* If you're feeling sick, or strange, find a friend or someone who can look out for you (maybe a staff member at the venue or First Aid). Stay with them until you're back to feeling yourself.
THE PARTY'S OVER - WHAT NOW?
[section to be expanded with detail soon]
* Comedowns.........
* Are you safe to drive?....
* Recovery Packs/Recovery Strategies....
SOMETHINGS GONE WRONG:
* Fortunately there aren't too many serious cases resulting from people being sensible with Ecstacy, BUT:
* If yourself or a friend becomes ill, passes out, has a seizure or convulsions, or you think may be in trouble, get some help straight away.
* If there's First Aiders at the rave/party, get them straight away, if not call for an Ambulance.
* If you dont want to call an Ambulance or get help because you're worried about Police, remember: police just like everyone else would rather know that someone was taken care of than have to investigate when things go sour. Police usually won't come down heavy on someone simply because they've been taken to hospital on a drugs related scare.
FACTS SECTION:
* What is Ecstacy (MDMA) (detailed)?
* Who makes Ecstacy (MDMA)?
* What does Ecstacy (MDMA) do to me?
* What is Seratonin?
* How can taking Ecstacy do me harm long term?
* Where can I find more information about Ecstacy, and taking care of myself? [urls, government references ].
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Phew! ANOTHER long post!! Well read up guys, and give me comments already!!!
Thanks!! Love ya's all
[This message has been edited by Unk-e Benny (edited 21 April 2001).]
 
Oooh as another quick question.. (sorry I'm asking a lot of people reading this thread)...
For the recovery packs (and of course assuming I confirm this to be legal ), given the expense of 5HTP and the other ingredients, would people find the cost prohibitive?
At the moment if I put a price tag on a pack it'd sit just around $10-12 for a pack that would pull you through a fairly heavy weekend... Now most people who've had a fairly heavy weekend probably spent upwards of $70 on pills anyhow - would they find that additional cost not worth it?
I've done with and without 5HTP and it's buddies and I'd merrily pay double that, but then I'm wierd ... Again, your comments welcomed.
[This message has been edited by Unk-e Benny (edited 21 April 2001).]
 
get in touch with the Enlighten crew. they're BL's harm reduction specialists.
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i believe a flyer was being drafted about harm minimisation.
Mac? atomica?
best discuss with them the best way to go about doing this.
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Hey Unk-e,
just a few comments on the great flyer
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I was thinking you should maybe explain each of your points. Eg....
* Find out what the pills are called and what they look like.
** There are a few cases of pills containing substances other than MDMA which can be harmfull, for example Speed, Special-K, or Nothing at all. Therefore its a VERY GOOD idea to check your pill against pill reports on sites like to recognise it from the hundreds of pills out there. By recognising possible bunk pills you avoid bad situations, or at the very least wasting your money. All you need to do is check online sites such as to identify pills which are dangerous. Blah blah....
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* Rest every now and then to cool off (find a 'chill out' area and veg out for a while).
** Seretonin (a chemical released in higher quantities from your brain when on E) regulates many important things in your brain, including your body's ability to regulate temperature. When on ecstacy these special abilities of the brain are scrambled. On E your body will actually increases in temperature whether your dancing or just sitting still chatting. Without your body correctly helping you to cool you need to conciously do it yourself. You have to remember to take breaks to give yourself a cool down. Its often very relaxing and gives you a "melting" sensation as you chat to ppl in a chill out area of your fav club. blah blah blah
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Peace!
RobE.
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robE - excellent points! Thanks... The esafe site listed above (along with DanceSafe etc) have a great set of references... I'll make sure I clean up the content more and get the facts spot on...
Is there a forum or anything running for the "Enlighten Crew"? Does anyone know? I'd be happy to join in there effort if I can... Don't care who gets it done just love to see it out there...
And it's great to see so many supporters in here - good stuff guys!
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I applaud your sentiments, and your efforts toward education and harm minimisation. As mentioned above, enlighten have been working hard to formulate harm reduction strategies in Australia, and would be an excellent point of first contact for anyone looking to educate themselves, or find more information about harm reduction.
Also, another caveat: I believe that it is only legal to import 5-HTP for personal use at the moment, so your recovery packs may not be able to be marketed legally if they contain 5-HTP capsules/tablets.
I think samadhi was talking about putting together a pack filled with supplements and vitamins a month or two ago, perhaps you could get in contact with them too. Good luck.
BigTrancer
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Interesting idea , however a few little things...
I don't think clubs would stock them because , even tho everyone knows that a LOT of clubbers take drugs, it would also bring attention to a club from the cops... It would be like the club sanctioning the use of drugs - well possibly in the eyes of the police....Of course they'd like to hand them out at the door! But , the outside pressure factor would be too great at the moment...It would take a great deal of pressure and convincing from ppl like us to change their minds!
Of course they know this too, but parents etc would be a major hassle, u know , like "oh my god, the clubs are letting our youth get away with dugs????"
As for giving them to dealers? u may as well give them a neon sign saying I SELL DRUGS !
Soryy for the downer points, it's still a good idea, just maybe hand them out to ppl outside clubs? Or in the street? We really don't want our fave clubs to be raided
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Interesting idea , however a few little things...
I don't think clubs would stock them because , even tho everyone knows that a LOT of clubbers take drugs, it would also bring attention to a club from the cops... It would be like the club sanctioning the use of drugs - well possibly in the eyes of the police....Of course they'd like to hand them out at the door! But , the outside pressure factor would be too great at the moment...It would take a great deal of pressure and convincing from ppl like us to change their minds!
Of course they know this too, but parents etc would be a major hassle, u know , like "oh my god, the clubs are letting our youth get away with dugs????"
As for giving them to dealers? u may as well give them a neon sign saying I SELL DRUGS !
Soryy for the downer points, it's still a good idea, just maybe hand them out to ppl outside clubs? Or in the street? We really don't want our fave clubs to be raided
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Interesting idea , however a few little things...
I don't think clubs would stock them because , even tho everyone knows that a LOT of clubbers take drugs, it would also bring attention to a club from the cops... It would be like the club sanctioning the use of drugs - well possibly in the eyes of the police....Of course they'd like to hand them out at the door! But , the outside pressure factor would be too great at the moment...It would take a great deal of pressure and convincing from ppl like us to change their minds!
Of course they know this too, but parents etc would be a major hassle, u know , like "oh my god, the clubs are letting our youth get away with dugs????"
As for giving them to dealers? u may as well give them a neon sign saying I SELL DRUGS !
Soryy for the downer points, it's still a good idea, just maybe hand them out to ppl outside clubs? Or in the street? We really don't want our fave clubs to be raided
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All Good stuff.... In fact I'll probably ask them permission to use some of that, or even wether they'd like me to align my project under theirs... I'm looking for something that will fold up to fit in a standard pill bag though, and the language will be slanted to a less adult demographic. I agree this is the information age, but I also think teens tend not to like reading things that sound like they're being lectured.... The above pamphlet would be an awesome one to put on the 'further information' list for people who really want a good understanding however....
In the meantime I'll give the enlighten guys a buzz.....
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unk-e-benny: remember that 5HTP postloading and preloading is based on theory and has not been scientifically proven. also you may not want to promote postloading as that may be seen as pro-drug, whereas postloading is really to get your body back to normal operational levels asap.
if you want to discuss it with enlighten or use of literature give me give me an ICQ (8242558).
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